In 2005 Kathryn Reiser Carpenter joined our List but she stayed as a member for only a few months. Might anyone know her or know if she currently can be reached by e-mail? The addresses which I had for her, from the List and from direct mail were < kecarpen@juno.com > as her prime address and a secondary address of < kathryn1939@sbcglobal.net >. Her original interest from the Rootsweb Message Board was the same family which our current member Paul Armbruster is searching. As Oensbach is the major town involved I have contacted Rose Goutbeck to see if Kathryn had contacted her at that time as I had suggested to Kathryn. No such contact was made. Rose knew that only two members of the Reiser family had emigrated to America, one which Kathryn was searching and the other which we now know that Paul is searching. Does anyone have any knowledge of Kathryn Reiser Carpenter? djweber djwdjw@ix.netcom.com

Paul, Tricky, this Rootsweb system. I had read the < gmail > message which Rootsweb bounced. (Wendelin has it set up so that I may look into such bounces, "enjoy" the Spam, have a business opportunity beyond my dreams or read the messages which come through from a second ISP. Yours was not the first of that last catagory. I'm getting too old as I am getting too lazy. My computer is turned off more than it is turned on. I unsubscribed to a number of annoying Lists some time ago and my incoming mail has dropped to where I can easily check through it on my son's faster computer and read every message online at that computer. I planned on checking your Saur line to see if I could find a connection or if I just haven't searched Hans Saur's family through enough generations....and then planned on getting back to you and to the LIst. But, from your question about Zusenhofen, I figured I had been turn this contraption on and start doing something. As compared to the Familienbuch for Oensbach, there is nothing comparable for Zusenhofen. Many of the towns of the Ortenau have histories written about them. I believe older, beyond copyright, books are many of sources Wendelin has used to give us Source listings in detail. For similar Familienbuecher books, Wendelin recently contacted the gentleman who acts as a sort of agent or middle-man in handling the books which have not been sold out. To see what towns exist in such book form, go to < http://ortenau.genealogy-bw.de/search/ >, click on the second of the "Sources" links and the first Source on that page is a link to a very current listing of all those Ortsfamilienbuecher. An older version (it does not include all the books published in past few years) is at < http://user.baden-online.de/~ksiefert/ > which is a site of that sort of middle-man. In addition I have a PDF version sent to me by another individual in February 2006 which is in English if you would like a copy of that....to wonder about any other town. Similar information is online for Wuerttemberg and some such books for German towns have been put online after all original copies had been sold.....but again, nothing for Zusenhofen. About the Saur-Shue marriage of Zusenhofen, I know I have no Shue in my Sauer search and I am still playing with problems at both Zusenhofen and Urloffen before the one line of the family moved to Oensbach. Beverly and I have talked about our Saur problems in Zusenhofen and if the Church Registers were only easier to read and covered another generation or so, we might find an answer. You are not forgotten...I'm still trying to locate that missing woman with whom I had contact about your family. I have fears that contact may no longer be possible. List....be prepared, I will ask if any of you know her. I meant to ask you a month or so ago but as I mentioned in an earlier paragraph I'm getting too lazy (but the advantage to you is no recent Annoying Messages). djweber djwdjw@ix.netcom.com

Paul et al, I also am researching the surname SAU[E]R in Nussbach and Zusenhofen. I have the book, "Zusenhofen 1152 - 2002". It was a gift from a friend who lives in Urlofen, Baden, Germany. You will have to excuse me, I don't read German, but below please find data from the book that may lead you to where you may purchase it. . Herausgeber: Ortsverwaltung Zusenhofen (Stadt Oberkirch) 2002 Redaktion: Karl Ebert Druck: Archertaler Druckerei, Kappelrodeck Urhebervermerk: Alle Text- und Bildbeitrage unterliegen dem Urheberrecht. Nachdruck und Vervielfaltigung - auch auszugsweie - nur mit Genehmigung der Verfasser bzw. Eigentumer . Beverly Mack Zanon Researching NUSSBACH, ZUSENHOFEN, KAPPELRODECK, OFFENBURG and many other BADEN towns . ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:08:17 -0400 From: pfarmbruster@aol.com Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Saur from Zusenhoffen - 1600-1700 To: DEU-BAD-ORTENAU@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <8CAA864E9AE580F-C2C-5E8@mblk-d16.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" DJ, Here is what I have on Anna Maria Saur: Ancestors of Anna Maria Sauer Generation No. 1 ??? 1.? Anna Maria Sauer, born 16 Apr 1769 in Zussenhoffen, Germany(1).? She was the daughter of Franz Michael Saur and Agnes Shue.? She married Ignatz Reiser Jan 1800 in Zusenhofen, Germany.? He was born Abt. 1767 in unk. Generation No. 2 ??? 2.? Franz Michael Saur, born 09 May 1738 in Zusenhofen, Germany(2).? He was the son of Joannis Michaelis Saur and Anna Eva (Unknown).? He married Agnes Shue 18 Apr 1763 in Zusenhofen, Germany(3). ??? 3.? Agnes Shue? She was the daughter of Andreas Schue and Magdalena (Unknown). ??? Children of Franciscus Saur and Agnes Shue are: ??? ??? i.??? Maria Anna Saur, born 15 Aug 1764 in Zusenhofen, Germany(4) ??? ??? ii.??? Maria Agnes Saur, born 12 Jan 1766 in Zusenhofen, Germany(5); died 28 Oct 1824 in Zusenhofen, Germany. ??? ??? iii.??? Francis Joseph Saur, born 29 Feb 1768 in Zusenhofen, Germany(6) ??? 1??? iv.??? Anna Maria Sauer, born 16 Apr 1769 in Zussenhoffen, Germany; married Ignatz Reiser Jan 1800 in Zusenhofen, Germany. 1.? LDS Film #0958811 p262 2.? LDS Film #0958811 p229? 3.? LDS Film #0958811 p86 4.? LDS Film #0958811 p217? 5.? LDS Film #0958811 p236? 6.? LDS Film #0958811 p252 I did buy the ?nsbach book and it was well worth the money! It's confirmed a lot of my earlier research and opened up a lot of new areas as well. Do you know of a similar book for Zusenhofen? Paul ______________________________ _____________________________________________________________ djweber wrote: Paul, The ending list of Saur(s) might be easier for us. If you could give us Anna Maria Saur, born in 1769 to her parents, there might be some angle to work into the earlier Saur family members of Zusenhofen. The early Registers are a bit confusing to try to work down to her. Armbruster and Reiser fit into ?nsbach although your Reiser father was born in Zusenhofen. The first child of the Reiser-Siffermann marriage was your Richardis. For Armbruster..... Anton Armbruster-Theresia Zink Franz Ignaz Armbruster-Maria Anna Ell Georg Armbruster-Elisabeth Gerwitz Christian Armbruster-Magdalena Maisch Christian Armbruster-unknown takes you to the start of the Church Registers. ------------------------------ To contact the DEU-BAD-ORTENAU list administrator, send an email to DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the DEU-BAD-ORTENAU mailing list, send an email to DEU-BAD-ORTENAU@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Digest, Vol 3, Issue 85 **********************************************

DJ, Here is what I have on Anna Maria Saur: Ancestors of Anna Maria Sauer Generation No. 1     1.  Anna Maria Sauer, born 16 Apr 1769 in Zussenhoffen, Germany(1).  She was the daughter of Franz Michael Saur and Agnes Shue.  She married Ignatz Reiser Jan 1800 in Zusenhofen, Germany.  He was born Abt. 1767 in unk. Generation No. 2     2.  Franz Michael Saur, born 09 May 1738 in Zusenhofen, Germany(2).  He was the son of Joannis Michaelis Saur and Anna Eva (Unknown).  He married Agnes Shue 18 Apr 1763 in Zusenhofen, Germany(3).     3.  Agnes Shue  She was the daughter of Andreas Schue and Magdalena (Unknown).     Children of Franciscus Saur and Agnes Shue are:         i.    Maria Anna Saur, born 15 Aug 1764 in Zusenhofen, Germany(4)         ii.    Maria Agnes Saur, born 12 Jan 1766 in Zusenhofen, Germany(5); died 28 Oct 1824 in Zusenhofen, Germany.         iii.    Francis Joseph Saur, born 29 Feb 1768 in Zusenhofen, Germany(6)     1    iv.    Anna Maria Sauer, born 16 Apr 1769 in Zussenhoffen, Germany; married Ignatz Reiser Jan 1800 in Zusenhofen, Germany. 1.  LDS Film #0958811 p262 2.  LDS Film #0958811 p229  3.  LDS Film #0958811 p86 4.  LDS Film #0958811 p217  5.  LDS Film #0958811 p236  6.  LDS Film #0958811 p252 I did buy the Önsbach book and it was well worth the money! It's confirmed a lot of my earlier research and opened up a lot of new areas as well. Do you know of a similar book for Zusenhofen? Paul ______________________________ _____________________________________________________________ djweber wrote: Paul, The ending list of Saur(s) might be easier for us. If you could give us Anna Maria Saur, born in 1769 to her parents, there might be some angle to work into the earlier Saur family members of Zusenhofen. The early Registers are a bit confusing to try to work down to her. Armbruster and Reiser fit into Önsbach although your Reiser father was born in Zusenhofen. The first child of the Reiser-Siffermann marriage was your Richardis. For Armbruster..... Anton Armbruster-Theresia Zink Franz Ignaz Armbruster-Maria Anna Ell Georg Armbruster-Elisabeth Gerwitz Christian Armbruster-Magdalena Maisch Christian Armbruster-unknown takes you to the start of the Church Registers.

Hallo Wendelin, 1874, bei der Geburt der Tochter Anna, wird sie "ledige Taglöhnerin von Reichenbach" genannt. Ich weiß nicht, ob das wirklich weiterführt. Trotzdem vielen Dank für die Hilfe! Einen schönen Abend aus Wuppertal Kurt (Erlemann) Reichenbachs evangelische Bewohner gehörten immer und gehören noch zur Pfarrei Hornberg. Ich konnte nichts darüber finden, dass einer der Weiler, Zinken oder Hofgruppen im 19. Jh. mal die Pfarrei gewechselt hat. 2 Zinken gehörten teilweise zur Gemeinde Reichenbach und teilweise zu Hornberg, aber beide natürlich zur Pfarrei Hornberg. Nur der Zinken Windkapf gehörte teilweise zur Gemeinde Reichenbach und teilweise (1953 4 Personen) zur Gemeinde Tennenbronn und deren Pfarrei. Dann wird sich die Maria Moser während ihrer Geburt von Jakob an einem anderen Ort aufgehalten haben, der nicht zur Pfarrei Hornberg gehörte. Als was war sie denn beruflich tätig? Gruss, Wendelin On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 18:14:44 +0200 "Prof.Dr. Kurt Erlemann" <erleman2@uni-wuppertal.de> wrote: > Hallo zusammen, > > in meiner näheren Verwandtschaft gibt es einen Jakob Moser, ev., > verheiratet 17.8.1893 in Hornberg mit Luise ZAPF. Dieser Jakob war > Sohn der ledigen Maria MOSER von Reichenbach. Im EKB Hornberg fand > ich den Eintrag einer weiteren Tochter dieser Maria, Anna MOSER, geb. > 1874. Den Taufeintrag des Jakob MOSER konnte ich bislang nicht > ausfindig machen. > > Frage: gehörte Reichenbach (ev.) in die Zuständigkeit des EKB > Hornberg oder woanders hin? Ich weiß zurzeit nicht mehr, wo ich noch > suchen soll. > > Vielen Dank für die Hilfe und schönen Abend aus Wuppertal > > Kurt (Erlemann) > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hallo Kurt, Reichenbachs evangelische Bewohner gehörten immer und gehören noch zur Pfarrei Hornberg. Ich konnte nichts darüber finden, dass einer der Weiler, Zinken oder Hofgruppen im 19. Jh. mal die Pfarrei gewechselt hat. 2 Zinken gehörten teilweise zur Gemeinde Reichenbach und teilweise zu Hornberg, aber beide natürlich zur Pfarrei Hornberg. Nur der Zinken Windkapf gehörte teilweise zur Gemeinde Reichenbach und teilweise (1953 4 Personen) zur Gemeinde Tennenbronn und deren Pfarrei. Dann wird sich die Maria Moser während ihrer Geburt von Jakob an einem anderen Ort aufgehalten haben, der nicht zur Pfarrei Hornberg gehörte. Als was war sie denn beruflich tätig? Gruss, Wendelin On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 18:14:44 +0200 "Prof.Dr. Kurt Erlemann" <erleman2@uni-wuppertal.de> wrote: > Hallo zusammen, > > in meiner näheren Verwandtschaft gibt es einen Jakob Moser, ev., > verheiratet 17.8.1893 in Hornberg mit Luise ZAPF. Dieser Jakob war > Sohn der ledigen Maria MOSER von Reichenbach. Im EKB Hornberg fand > ich den Eintrag einer weiteren Tochter dieser Maria, Anna MOSER, geb. > 1874. Den Taufeintrag des Jakob MOSER konnte ich bislang nicht > ausfindig machen. > > Frage: gehörte Reichenbach (ev.) in die Zuständigkeit des EKB > Hornberg oder woanders hin? Ich weiß zurzeit nicht mehr, wo ich noch > suchen soll. > > Vielen Dank für die Hilfe und schönen Abend aus Wuppertal > > Kurt (Erlemann) > >

Hallo zusammen, in meiner näheren Verwandtschaft gibt es einen Jakob Moser, ev., verheiratet 17.8.1893 in Hornberg mit Luise ZAPF. Dieser Jakob war Sohn der ledigen Maria MOSER von Reichenbach. Im EKB Hornberg fand ich den Eintrag einer weiteren Tochter dieser Maria, Anna MOSER, geb. 1874. Den Taufeintrag des Jakob MOSER konnte ich bislang nicht ausfindig machen. Frage: gehörte Reichenbach (ev.) in die Zuständigkeit des EKB Hornberg oder woanders hin? Ich weiß zurzeit nicht mehr, wo ich noch suchen soll. Vielen Dank für die Hilfe und schönen Abend aus Wuppertal Kurt (Erlemann)

An Anton ROTTI was also a U.S. Civil War soldier, serving on the Union side: Credit record below to Ancestry.com, please: American Civil War Soldiers about Anton Rotti Name: Anton Rotti Side Served: Union State Served: Missouri Service Record: Enlisted as a Private. Enlisted in Company A, 2nd Infantry Regiment Missouri. Sources: 304 Best regards, Arlene ----- Original Message ----- From: Arlene To: Arlene ; plr3@hotmail.com ; deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com ; Tom Oatney Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 7:02 PM Subject: Re: Anton and Bernhard ROTTI family Also, Anton ROTTI's St. Louis Missouri burial certificate #6810 (scanned copy) is viewable online at Ancestry.com. Anton died 15 Sep 1892 at age 75. I will try to send it as a shareable copy to you, Phil. Best, Arlene ----- Original Message ----- From: Arlene To: plr3@hotmail.com ; deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com ; Tom Oatney Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 6:33 PM Subject: Anton and Bernhard ROTTI family Hello Phil: Tom forwarded your request to Ortenau genealogy list on line. Here is what I found on Ancestry.com: 1870 U.S. Census for St. Louis, Missouri - 2nd Ward East - enumerated 1st June 1870 Dwelling house numbered in the order of visitation: 16 Family numbered in the order of visitation: 25 Bernhd 25 M W Butcher b. Baden, father & mother of foreign birth, male citizen of U.S. of 21 years of age and up Value of real estate/personal state: - (dash marks only) 22 F W Keeping House b. Baden, father & mother of foreign birth Sophia 2 F W b. S Lou, father & mother of foreign Amalie 9/12 F W b. S Lou, father & mother of foreign birth, if born within the years, state month: Agst Dwelling house numbered in the order of visitation: 16 (same as above) Family numbered in the order of visitation: 26 Anton 53 M W Dairyman b. Baden, value of real estate owned $2,500, father & mother of foreign birth, male citizen of U.S. of 21 years of age and up Francis 52 F W Keeping House b. Baden, father & mother of foreign birth Amalie 15 F W b. S Lou, at school, father & mother of foreign birth, attended school within the last year I hope this is helpful. Best regards, Arlene Goff (nee SCHNEIDER) Researching ancestors of Josef SCHNEIDER b. 1845 Urloffen, Offenburg, BADEN - both his parents b. BADEN - Josef SCHNEIDER emigrated to US, Brooklyn NY 1866 & died on 15 Jan 1890 at age (per his death certificate): "45 years" (no months, nor days); best candidates for my Josef's parents: Sebastian SCHNEIDER and Maria Anna ARMBRUSTER who had a son Josef b. 15 Jan 1845, Urloffen

Also, Anton ROTTI's St. Louis Missouri burial certificate #6810 (scanned copy) is viewable online at Ancestry.com. Anton died 15 Sep 1892 at age 75. I will try to send it as a shareable copy to you, Phil. Best, Arlene ----- Original Message ----- From: Arlene To: plr3@hotmail.com ; deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com ; Tom Oatney Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 6:33 PM Subject: Anton and Bernhard ROTTI family Hello Phil: Tom forwarded your request to Ortenau genealogy list on line. Here is what I found on Ancestry.com: 1870 U.S. Census for St. Louis, Missouri - 2nd Ward East - enumerated 1st June 1870 Dwelling house numbered in the order of visitation: 16 Family numbered in the order of visitation: 25 Bernhd 25 M W Butcher b. Baden, father & mother of foreign birth, male citizen of U.S. of 21 years of age and up Value of real estate/personal state: - (dash marks only) 22 F W Keeping House b. Baden, father & mother of foreign birth Sophia 2 F W b. S Lou, father & mother of foreign Amalie 9/12 F W b. S Lou, father & mother of foreign birth, if born within the years, state month: Agst Dwelling house numbered in the order of visitation: 16 (same as above) Family numbered in the order of visitation: 26 Anton 53 M W Dairyman b. Baden, value of real estate owned $2,500, father & mother of foreign birth, male citizen of U.S. of 21 years of age and up Francis 52 F W Keeping House b. Baden, father & mother of foreign birth Amalie 15 F W b. S Lou, at school, father & mother of foreign birth, attended school within the last year I hope this is helpful. Best regards, Arlene Goff (nee SCHNEIDER) Researching ancestors of Josef SCHNEIDER b. 1845 Urloffen, Offenburg, BADEN - both his parents b. BADEN - Josef SCHNEIDER emigrated to US, Brooklyn NY 1866 & died on 15 Jan 1890 at age (per his death certificate): "45 years" (no months, nor days); best candidates for my Josef's parents: Sebastian SCHNEIDER and Maria Anna ARMBRUSTER who had a son Josef b. 15 Jan 1845, Urloffen

Hello Phil: Tom forwarded your request to Ortenau genealogy list on line. Here is what I found on Ancestry.com: 1870 U.S. Census for St. Louis, Missouri - 2nd Ward East - enumerated 1st June 1870 Dwelling house numbered in the order of visitation: 16 Family numbered in the order of visitation: 25 Bernhd 25 M W Butcher b. Baden, father & mother of foreign birth, male citizen of U.S. of 21 years of age and up Value of real estate/personal state: - (dash marks only) 22 F W Keeping House b. Baden, father & mother of foreign birth Sophia 2 F W b. S Lou, father & mother of foreign Amalie 9/12 F W b. S Lou, father & mother of foreign birth, if born within the years, state month: Agst Dwelling house numbered in the order of visitation: 16 (same as above) Family numbered in the order of visitation: 26 Anton 53 M W Dairyman b. Baden, value of real estate owned $2,500, father & mother of foreign birth, male citizen of U.S. of 21 years of age and up Francis 52 F W Keeping House b. Baden, father & mother of foreign birth Amalie 15 F W b. S Lou, at school, father & mother of foreign birth, attended school within the last year I hope this is helpful. Best regards, Arlene Goff (nee SCHNEIDER) Researching ancestors of Josef SCHNEIDER b. 1845 Urloffen, Offenburg, BADEN - both his parents b. BADEN - Josef SCHNEIDER emigrated to US, Brooklyn NY 1866 & died on 15 Jan 1890 at age (per his death certificate): "45 years" (no months, nor days); best candidates for my Josef's parents: Sebastian SCHNEIDER and Maria Anna ARMBRUSTER who had a son Josef b. 15 Jan 1845, Urloffen

Darrel, good news. I contacted the author. You can order the book by him. It costs 50 Euro incl. shipping. You must pay in PayPal and he sends the book when he got the money. 50 Euro = $78.84 I'll send you the email address offlist. Are other members interested to order the kinship book of Heiligenzell? - Wendelin On Sat, 24 May 2008 11:01:41 -0500 "Darrel" <dar7ter@comcast.net> wrote: > Not a word. I wrote in English and my office program can translate to > German for me, so I sent it in both languages. > > Oh well, it was worth a try! > Darrel > > -----Original Message----- > From: deu-bad-ortenau-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:deu-bad-ortenau-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Wendelin > Irslinger > Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 7:53 AM > To: deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Ortsfamilienbuch (kinship book) Heiligenzell > > Hi Darrel, > > have you meanwhile received any response by the townhall? > > - Wendelin > > On Sat, 17 May 2008 08:12:23 -0500 > "Darrel" <dar7ter@comcast.net> wrote: > > > Thanks for your help Wendelin...I sent an e-mail this morning. Hope > > for the best! > > Darrel > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Darrel, have you meanwhile received any response by the townhall? - Wendelin On Sat, 17 May 2008 08:12:23 -0500 "Darrel" <dar7ter@comcast.net> wrote: > Thanks for your help Wendelin...I sent an e-mail this morning. Hope > for the best! > Darrel >

Not a word. I wrote in English and my office program can translate to German for me, so I sent it in both languages. Oh well, it was worth a try! Darrel -----Original Message----- From: deu-bad-ortenau-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:deu-bad-ortenau-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Wendelin Irslinger Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 7:53 AM To: deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Ortsfamilienbuch (kinship book) Heiligenzell Hi Darrel, have you meanwhile received any response by the townhall? - Wendelin On Sat, 17 May 2008 08:12:23 -0500 "Darrel" <dar7ter@comcast.net> wrote: > Thanks for your help Wendelin...I sent an e-mail this morning. Hope > for the best! > Darrel > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 5/21/2008 12:25:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, genealogy@babbalu.com writes: He belonged to the 1st artillery which had 1 Geschützführer (gunner), 1 Oberkanonier (head cannoneer), 2 Fahrkanoniere (transportation cannoneers) and 9 Bedienungskanoniere (service cannoneers). One of the transportation cannoneers was Bernhard Mareis in June 1849. The 1st artillery made an expedition to Lahr on June, 26. Because of this expedition there was an inquiry against Bernhard Mareis after the revolution. The council of Offenburg wrote that Bernhard Mareis has no property. And the council refered to a same attestation about Anton Geck who was the gunner: he was a calm, harmless citizen, with not much politics behind his back. His conduct is blameless. There are no sanctions known against Bernhard Mareis. - Wendelin Hi Wendelin: Thanks for the translation. Any suggestions on how find out The parents names Bernhard Mareis or if he died & when in Offeburg. In The United States , it would ussually be mentioned on The Census records which could even be found Online through The Ancestry.com Site. Or by going to The Municipal Archives & looking at the Marriage or death certifcates which often list parents names. Is there a similar Online Site for Germany records. Perhaps I could Look up something in New York City in exchange for somebody who might be able to look up these items in your local Offenburg archives or where this information is kept. Unfortunately The Mormon Visitors Center in Here in Manhattan where I used to do family research on microfilms for revital records in other states & countrys is closed for now & I would have to travel far away to use them in another state. Howard Howard **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

Hi Howard, not a word-to-word translation but I included some information: Bernhard Mareis was a member of the Bürgerartilleriekorps (artillery corps of the Offenburg militia) of the town Offenburg. The member of this corps were volunteers. He belonged to the 1st artillery which had 1 Geschützführer (gunner), 1 Oberkanonier (head cannoneer), 2 Fahrkanoniere (transportation cannoneers) and 9 Bedienungskanoniere (service cannoneers). One of the transportation cannoneers was Bernhard Mareis in June 1849. The 1st artillery made an expedition to Lahr on June, 26. Because of this expedition there was an inquiry against Bernhard Mareis after the revolution. The council of Offenburg wrote that Bernhard Mareis has no property. And the council refered to a same attestation about Anton Geck who was the gunner: he was a calm, harmless citizen, with not much politics behind his back. His conduct is blameless. There are no sanctions known against Bernhard Mareis. - Wendelin

Maurine, Thank you kindly. I'd love to see it. GRH> From: leblanc@outreachinternet.com> To: deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com> Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 20:40:10 -0700> Subject: Re: [Ortenau] (no subject)> > > Greg,> > When my Spahnle family left Ichenheim they signed such a document. I have a > copy of this document as it was part of the Ichenheim kinship book. If you > like I can scan it and send to your email address so you can see what it > looks like.> > Maurine> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg Hilton" <grhilton@msn.com>> To: <deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 7:55 PM> Subject: [Ortenau] (no subject)> > > > Where might I find records of the requests for emigration from the town of > Waltersweier near Offenburg that an individual would have needed to get > permission from Germany to move to North America.> > Bernard Vetter of Waltersweier left Baden around 1815-1816. I understand > that these records are often full of information on the individual as all > debts would have had to have been settled before he/she could have left.> > Has anyone seen such records?> > Greg Hilton> > _________________________________________________________________> Change the world with e-mail. Join the i’m Initiative from Microsoft.> http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ChangeWorld> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Make every e-mail and IM count. Join the i’m Initiative from Microsoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ MakeCount

Dan and group, Just the information on the permit as I know the town of his origin. I'd like to get it for him and his siblings who also came to America. I've seen the Baden emigration website previously that Wendelin suggested and Bernard Fetter is not on it for the year of emigration. German researchers that I spoke to at the National Genealogical Society's convention held last week in Kansas City, MO suggested contacting the individual German town's city hall as these records are often still house there. Many have had success with this. Any other thoughts or suggestions? GRH > From: dbravard2@insight.rr.com> To: deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com> Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 20:32:11 -0400> Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Permission to Emigrate Permit> > Greg:> > If I can interject with a question. Are you trying to find the origin of > your ancestor or just the information on the permit(s)?> > Dan> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "djweber" <djwdjw@ix.netcom.com>> To: <deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 11:28 PM> Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Permission to Emigrate Permit> > > > Greg,> >> > Six possible answers...> >> > Wendelin will know and will answer your question.> >> > Another member of this List may have run into the same question for their> > emigrant ancestor from Waltersweier.> >> > The original permit is on file at the Town Hall of Waltersweier or at a> > neighboring town known only to a researcher familiar with the area and the> > record-keeping methods of the area.> >> > The original permit was forwarded to a particular Archive, perhaps > > Karlsruhe> > or Freiburg and would be available for a cost....again possibly something> > known only to a very few German researchers.> >> > The Permit you want and hundreds of other permits were sold as scrap paper> > to a local Paper Mill a hundred or so years ago. Over the centuries paper> > has had its cycles of scarcity and in many areas recycled paper was not > > and> > is not a new Go-Green activity. (Or the Town needed the money from the > > sale> > of their old papers.)> >> > Your ancestor left the Grand Duchy without legal authority and no such> > Permit exists.> >> > May we hope that your answer will be from one of the first four thoughts.> >> > I have seen such documents from areas north of the Ortenau, both in Baden> > and in other former Germanic countries. In most cases, they are very> > complete in details on the individual, his family, his finances and the > > Town> > Council willingness to allow the family to emigrate.> >> > djweber> > djwdjw@ix.netcom.com> > -------------------------> > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Greg Hilton" <grhilton@msn.com>> > To: <deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com>> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 9:55 PM> > Subject: [Ortenau] (no subject)> >> >> >> > Where might I find records of the requests for emigration from the town of> > Waltersweier near Offenburg that an individual would have needed to get> > permission from Germany to move to North America.> >> > Bernard Vetter of Waltersweier left Baden around 1815-1816. I understand> > that these records are often full of information on the individual as all> > debts would have had to have been settled before he/she could have left.> >> > Has anyone seen such records?> >> > Greg Hilton> >> >> >> > > > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Make every e-mail and IM count. Join the i’m Initiative from Microsoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ MakeCount

In a message dated 5/20/2008 10:13:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, genealogy@babbalu.com writes: Howard, > One book about Offenburg in the years 1848/49. the book mentions indeed Bernhard Mareis: Bernhard Mareis war im Juni 1849 Fahrkanonier des 1. Geschützes der Bürgerartillerie und als solcher bei der Lahrer Exekutionsexpedition vom 26. Juni mit dabei; er wurde deshalb nach der Revolution vom Lahrer Amt in Untersuchung gezogen. Das vom Gemeinderat erstellte Zeugnis stellte knapp fest: "Bernhard Mareis besitzt kein Vermögen. Im Übrigen gilt hier das von Anton Geck Gesagte", d.h. er war ein "ruhiger, ungefährlicher Bürger, hinter dem nicht viel Politik zu suchen ist. Sein Lebenswandel ist untadelhaft (1). Es sind keine Sanktionen gegen Mareis bekannt. Stadtarchiv Offenburg 10/20/115 GRP von 1849, Nr. 1815. - Wendelin Hi Wendelin: Thanks so much for this information. Unfortunately my German is rather poor & I would have to find somebody to help translate this.. Would you be able to help with little paragraph? If so, then thank you again in adnce. Much appreciated. Howard Sedlitz, NY **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)

Greg, known emigrants from Waltersweier are listed at http://emigration-offenburg.de If a person is not listed there is probably no emigration record. Maybe Gabi can tell which sources the people of the Offenburg emigration project have researched for emigrants from Waltersweier. - Wendelin On Mon, 19 May 2008 22:28:32 -0500 "djweber" <djwdjw@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > Greg, > > Six possible answers... > > Wendelin will know and will answer your question. > > Another member of this List may have run into the same question for > their emigrant ancestor from Waltersweier. > > The original permit is on file at the Town Hall of Waltersweier or at > a neighboring town known only to a researcher familiar with the area > and the record-keeping methods of the area. > > The original permit was forwarded to a particular Archive, perhaps > Karlsruhe or Freiburg and would be available for a cost....again > possibly something known only to a very few German researchers. > > The Permit you want and hundreds of other permits were sold as scrap > paper to a local Paper Mill a hundred or so years ago. Over the > centuries paper has had its cycles of scarcity and in many areas > recycled paper was not and is not a new Go-Green activity. (Or the > Town needed the money from the sale of their old papers.) > > Your ancestor left the Grand Duchy without legal authority and no such > Permit exists. > > May we hope that your answer will be from one of the first four > thoughts. > > I have seen such documents from areas north of the Ortenau, both in > Baden and in other former Germanic countries. In most cases, they > are very complete in details on the individual, his family, his > finances and the Town Council willingness to allow the family to > emigrate. > > djweber > djwdjw@ix.netcom.com > ------------------------- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg Hilton" <grhilton@msn.com> > To: <deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 9:55 PM > Subject: [Ortenau] (no subject) > > > > Where might I find records of the requests for emigration from the > town of Waltersweier near Offenburg that an individual would have > needed to get permission from Germany to move to North America. > > Bernard Vetter of Waltersweier left Baden around 1815-1816. I > understand that these records are often full of information on the > individual as all debts would have had to have been settled before > he/she could have left. > > Has anyone seen such records? > > Greg Hilton

Howard, > One book about Offenburg in the years 1848/49. the book mentions indeed Bernhard Mareis: Bernhard Mareis war im Juni 1849 Fahrkanonier des 1. Geschützes der Bürgerartillerie und als solcher bei der Lahrer Exekutionsexpedition vom 26. Juni mit dabei; er wurde deshalb nach der Revolution vom Lahrer Amt in Untersuchung gezogen. Das vom Gemeinderat erstellte Zeugnis stellte knapp fest: "Bernhard Mareis besitzt kein Vermögen. Im Übrigen gilt hier das von Anton Geck Gesagte", d.h. er war ein "ruhiger, ungefährlicher Bürger, hinter dem nicht viel Politik zu suchen ist. Sein Lebenswandel ist untadelhaft (1). Es sind keine Sanktionen gegen Mareis bekannt. Stadtarchiv Offenburg 10/20/115 GRP von 1849, Nr. 1815. - Wendelin