Thanks Maurine, I am not positive that he will be in there, but the records from Diersburg were kept in Ichenheim for some time. Let's hope! There has not been an OSB made for Diersburg, and I can't find microfilm either. I have hit a wall. Thanks again Darrel Hunter (Woehrle/Hechler/Bilger, Hertenstein, Baumann/Vetter/Muschler) -----Original Message----- From: deu-bad-ortenau-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:deu-bad-ortenau-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of LeBlanc Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 12:33 PM To: deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Ichenheim OSB Darrel - I have partial pages from the Ichenheim kinship book but no page for Woehrle. There is a man in Paris that I can contact and possibly get the information for you. It may be a few days so hang in there! Maurine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darrel" <dar7ter@comcast.net> To: <deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 5:45 AM Subject: [Ortenau] Ichenheim OSB Hello list, Does anyone have a copy of the Ichenheim/Ortenaukreis OSB/OFB? I would appreciate a look-up when you get the time. I am looking for data on a Christian Woehrle/Wöhrlin (possibly Wehrlin also, the spelling changes) a citizen from Diersburg, and his wife Barbara Bilger. He is the father of Georg Woehrle/Woehrlin, *abt 1747 in Diersburg, but moved to Oberweier. Any data around this person would be appreciated. Thanks Darrel Hunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Darrel - I have partial pages from the Ichenheim kinship book but no page for Woehrle. There is a man in Paris that I can contact and possibly get the information for you. It may be a few days so hang in there! Maurine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darrel" <dar7ter@comcast.net> To: <deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 5:45 AM Subject: [Ortenau] Ichenheim OSB Hello list, Does anyone have a copy of the Ichenheim/Ortenaukreis OSB/OFB? I would appreciate a look-up when you get the time. I am looking for data on a Christian Woehrle/Wöhrlin (possibly Wehrlin also, the spelling changes) a citizen from Diersburg, and his wife Barbara Bilger. He is the father of Georg Woehrle/Woehrlin, *abt 1747 in Diersburg, but moved to Oberweier. Any data around this person would be appreciated. Thanks Darrel Hunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello list, Does anyone have a copy of the Ichenheim/Ortenaukreis OSB/OFB? I would appreciate a look-up when you get the time. I am looking for data on a Christian Woehrle/Wöhrlin (possibly Wehrlin also, the spelling changes) a citizen from Diersburg, and his wife Barbara Bilger. He is the father of Georg Woehrle/Woehrlin, *abt 1747 in Diersburg, but moved to Oberweier. Any data around this person would be appreciated. Thanks Darrel Hunter

So glad to help, Darrel. If you need anymore lookups, just let me know. Always happy to discover more cousins! :-) Wonder where you live? We are in central NJ in Jamesburg. All the best, Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darrel" <dar7ter@comcast.net> To: "'Pat Zipf'" <patzipf@verizon.net> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 8:57 PM Subject: RE: [Ortenau] Andreas Hertenstein/Maria Baumann > Thanks a ton, cousin! Thomas is my 7th great grandfather. I really > appreciate the time and effort you have put in for me. I will enter this > data and see if I have loose ends. I hope I am not a pest. > > As ever > Darrel >

Hello again Darrel, Yes, I have information on this fellow. And.....we are related to him! So if he is related to you....we are cousins! :-) Let's see what I have...... Thomas Hertenstein was born/bpt 31 March 1651 in Kippenheimweiler. He died there on 19 Apr 1707. He married 1st Anna Graff there on 3 Apr 1676. They had 3 Children :- the Johannes Sebastian that you mentioned who was as you say born in 1677.....(nothing more here for him)....Hans Jakob, born 11 Feb 1681, who was married to Walpurgis Zipf; and lastly to Thomas born/bpt 11 Feb 1681, twin of Hans Jakob, (Thomas died on 5 Apr 1681). Thomas Hertenstein who was born in 1651, was the son of Andreas Hertenstein and Maria Geringer. This couple are 8Xgreat grandparents of my husband, James Zipf. We are descended from their son Hans, born in 1653, and also through their son, Johannes Jakobus, born in 1662 Thomas Hertenstein (1651) married a 2nd time to Barbara Lauritz on 20 Nov 1684 and had 8 children with her. 1st wife Anna Graff, was the only child of Jakob Graff, born 1617 & died 23 Dec 1680.(son of Georg & Katharina Graff of Danzig) and his wife, Barbara Peter born 1607(daughter of Georg Peter and Barbara Wolff ). Jakob Graff and Barbara Peter married on 10 Sept 1650. Anna Graff was born on 10 June 1651 and died 4 June 1684. She had a previous marriage to a Matthias Hertenstein (relation not shown) and had just one child, Andreas, born 6 Dec 1671. Her first husband must have died between this date and April of 1676 when she married Thomas Hertenstein. Andreas and Maria were married in 1650 in Kippenheimweiler and had 7 children together. Thomas (as above) Hans (our descent) born/bpt 13 Feb 1653; died 6 Sept 1733; married to Maria Wolff on 20 Nov 1679. Ursula b. 14 Feb 1655 Andreas b. 9 Apr 1659 .....and the rest of the triplets...... Maria also born/bpt 9 Apr 1659; she married Abraham Graber in Heiligenzell. Anna also born/bpt 9 Apr 1659 Johannes Jakobus (also our descent) b. 27 July 1662; died 30 June 1741; married Maria Frischmann in 1690. Maria Geringer was the daughter of Hans Geringer, Burger of Kippenheim and Ursula his wife. Maria married a 2nd time to Jakob Schwendt in Mahlberg on 11 Sept 1679. If any of this in confused and unclear, please let me know so that I can help. Also if there are any other lookups you need, just ask. Best wishes to our new found cousin, Pat --- Original Message ----- From: "Darrel" <dar7ter@comcast.net> To: "'Pat Zipf'" <patzipf@verizon.net>; <> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 3:26 PM Subject: RE: [Ortenau] Andreas Hertenstein/Maria Baumann Actually Pat, while I have your attention, do you have anything in the Kippenheimweiler book on a Thomas Hertenstein, Bürger there. He was married to an Anna Graff. I don't know his birth date, but he is the father of Johann Sebastian Hertenstein, born in the year 1677, the husband of Johanna Arnold *1684 in H'zell. Any data surrounding Thomas would be appreciated! Thanks for looking even if you don't find him. Darrel

Actually Pat, while I have your attention, do you have anything in the Kippenheimweiler book on a Thomas Hertenstein, Bürger there. He was married to an Anna Graff. I don't know his birth date, but he is the father of Johann Sebastian Hertenstein, born in the year 1677, the husband of Johanna Arnold *1684 in H'zell. Any data surrounding Thomas would be appreciated! Thanks for looking even if you don't find him. Darrel

Thanks so much Pat, I appreciate the data. Was there further data on Matthias Hertenstein born in 1677? I do not need the children of the second and third wives at this time as they are not connected to the Baumann line. I am about to complete that line, and needed to tie up some loose ends. I have the OFB for Heiligenzell, and OSB Oberweier. Thanks again for the information from the OSB Kippenheimweiler Darrel -----Original Message----- From: deu-bad-ortenau-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:deu-bad-ortenau-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Zipf Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:13 AM To: deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Andreas Hertenstein/Maria Baumann Hello again Darrel, #245 in the Kippenheimweiler OSB.... Andreas Hertenstein was born/bpt 29 April 1648 in Kippenheimweiler and died there 6 Oct 1699. He was the son of Matthias Hertenstein and Anna Held who were married there in 1645. Their entry is the first for the name in this OSB. Matthias was born about 1621 and died 30 Aug 1688. He was the son of Andreas Hertenstein and Margaretha nee Zürcher. Anna Held was the daughter of Thomas Held in Baldingen/Württenberg. Andreas Hertenstein (#245) was a bauer and Anna Maria Baumann was his first of three wives. They married on 13 April 1676 as you know. Anna Maria was the daughter of Jakob Baumann of Oberweier (think someone on the list has that book and it was mentioned yesterday) Anna Maria died 24 Nov 1679. Andreas and Anna Maria had just one child....Matthias born in 1677. Andreas had 5 children with his 2nd wife, Susanna Widergrün (married 11 Nov 1680) and 2 more children with his 3rd wife, Susanna Knecht. (married 20 Feb 1696). If you require more info on these two marriages and the children....please do not hesitate to get back to me. I am more than happy to help as others have helped me in the past. Very best regards to you and all on the List, Pat Zipf ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darrel" <dar7ter@comcast.net> To: <deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 12:37 PM Subject: [Ortenau] Andreas Hertenstein/Maria Baumann > Does anyone on the list have an OSB that lists Kippenheimweiler, Kr. > Lahr, > Baden? > > > > I would appreciate a look up for Andreas Hertenstein, * abt 1650, a Bauer > there, married to Anna Maria Baumann. Married April 13, 1676 in > Kippenheim. > Any data would help. > > > > Thanks > > Darrel > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello again Darrel, #245 in the Kippenheimweiler OSB.... Andreas Hertenstein was born/bpt 29 April 1648 in Kippenheimweiler and died there 6 Oct 1699. He was the son of Matthias Hertenstein and Anna Held who were married there in 1645. Their entry is the first for the name in this OSB. Matthias was born about 1621 and died 30 Aug 1688. He was the son of Andreas Hertenstein and Margaretha nee Zürcher. Anna Held was the daughter of Thomas Held in Baldingen/Württenberg. Andreas Hertenstein (#245) was a bauer and Anna Maria Baumann was his first of three wives. They married on 13 April 1676 as you know. Anna Maria was the daughter of Jakob Baumann of Oberweier (think someone on the list has that book and it was mentioned yesterday) Anna Maria died 24 Nov 1679. Andreas and Anna Maria had just one child....Matthias born in 1677. Andreas had 5 children with his 2nd wife, Susanna Widergrün (married 11 Nov 1680) and 2 more children with his 3rd wife, Susanna Knecht. (married 20 Feb 1696). If you require more info on these two marriages and the children....please do not hesitate to get back to me. I am more than happy to help as others have helped me in the past. Very best regards to you and all on the List, Pat Zipf ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darrel" <dar7ter@comcast.net> To: <deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 12:37 PM Subject: [Ortenau] Andreas Hertenstein/Maria Baumann > Does anyone on the list have an OSB that lists Kippenheimweiler, Kr. > Lahr, > Baden? > > > > I would appreciate a look up for Andreas Hertenstein, * abt 1650, a Bauer > there, married to Anna Maria Baumann. Married April 13, 1676 in > Kippenheim. > Any data would help. > > > > Thanks > > Darrel > > >

Hello Darrel, I have that OSB and will gladly do a lookup. Will get back to you before the end of the day. All the best, Pat Zipf ----- Original Message ----- From: <deu-bad-ortenau-request@rootsweb.com> To: <deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 3:04 AM Subject: DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Digest, Vol 3, Issue 91 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Today's Topics: > > 1. Andreas Hertenstein/Maria Baumann (Darrel) > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To contact the DEU-BAD-ORTENAU list administrator, send an email to > DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the DEU-BAD-ORTENAU mailing list, send an email to > DEU-BAD-ORTENAU@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. >

Does anyone on the list have an OSB that lists Kippenheimweiler, Kr. Lahr, Baden? I would appreciate a look up for Andreas Hertenstein, * abt 1650, a Bauer there, married to Anna Maria Baumann. Married April 13, 1676 in Kippenheim. Any data would help. Thanks Darrel

Hello, a kinship book was also published for Zierolshofen. It's not included on the "list of kinship books in Baden" on the memberpage. The first edition is sold out. A second edition is in planning. 3 volumes for 80 Euros. It seems it's necessary to order the books (by people in Zierolshofen) before the printing starts. Ein Familienbuch wurde auch für Zierolshofen veröffentlicht. Es wurde nicht auf der "Liste der Ortsfamilienbücher in Baden" hinzugefügt. Die erste Ausgabe ist ausverkauft. Eine zweite Ausgabe ist in Planung. 3 Bände für 80 Euro. Es scheint dass es notwendig ist das Buch vor dem Druck (bei Leuten in Zierolshofen) zu bestellen. - Wendelin

Hi Darrel, have you meanwhile received the book of Heiligenzell? - Wendelin

Hello list, I have in my possession the OFB for Heiligenzell. I will be glad to look up any names for you. (I also have the OSB for Oberweier, my cousin has the OSB Friesenheim) Darrel Hunter Dar7ter@comcast.net

Hallo Wendelin, leider nicht. Für Steinen sei die kath. Pfarrei Zell im Wiesental, für die sind aber erst Kirchenbücher ab 1800 verfügbar, offenabr gab es einen Brand im Pfarrhaus. Anderer Weg wäre über die Trauungt von Johannes SEGER und Creszens HEITZMANN. Ich vermute, die haben in Achern (Unterachern) geheiratet, da sollte ja Alter und die Eltern von Cr. H. drin stehen. Aber das ist bislang nur Vermutung. Im Herbst starte ich einen neuen Anlauf. Gruß, Jürgen -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 20:47:45 +0200 > Von: Wendelin Irslinger <genealogy@babbalu.com> > An: deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com > Betreff: Re: [Ortenau] Johannes SEGER geboren 1825 in Lauten(r)bach > Hallo Jürgen, > > das von Alexandra erwähnte Lautenbach gehört als Zinken zu Durbach. Es > dürfte so ca. 7 Häuser haben, 1950 hatte es 50 Einwohner. > > Bist Du mit Deiner Suche nach Creszens HEITZMANN aus Steinen > weitergekommen? > > Gruss, > Wendelin > > On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:55:38 +0200 > Alexandra Hannon <die4hannons@online.de> wrote: > > > Hallo Herr Frontzek, > > > > es gibt noch eines südlich von Durbach. > > > > Alexandra (Hannon) > > > > > > Jürgen Frontzek schrieb: > > > Liebe Listenmitglieder, > > > > > > hat jemand eine Idee, ob es im Raum Offenburg einen weiteren Ort > > > mit Namen Lauten(r)bach gibt (außer dem bei Oberkirch). Dort soll > > > am 9.3.1825 Johannes SEGER, kath., geboren sein (die Suche in > > > Lautenbach bei Oberkirch war negativ). > > > > > > Schöne Grüße aus München > > > > > > Jürgen Frontzek > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message -- GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/wasistshortview.php?mc=sv_ext_mf@gmx

Hallo Christian, vielen Dank für den Tip, werde dem nachgehen. Jürgen Frontzek -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 16:23:46 +0200 > Von: "Christian Erath" <Chrstn-rth@gmx.de> > An: deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com > Betreff: Re: [Ortenau] Johannes SEGER geboren 1825 in Lauten(r)bach > Hallo Herr Frontzek, > > auf Wikipedia sind alle Lautenbach und Lauterbach aufgeführt, die es > gibt. Ein ähnlicher Name ist noch Lauterbad. > > Viele Grüße Christian Erath > > -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > > Datum: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 12:48:42 +0200 > > Von: "Jürgen Frontzek" <j-frontzek@gmx.de> > > An: deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com > > Betreff: [Ortenau] Johannes SEGER geboren 1825 in Lauten(r)bach > > > Liebe Listenmitglieder, > > > > hat jemand eine Idee, ob es im Raum Offenburg einen weiteren Ort mit > Namen > > Lauten(r)bach gibt (außer dem bei Oberkirch). Dort soll am 9.3.1825 > > Johannes SEGER, kath., geboren sein (die Suche in Lautenbach bei > Oberkirch war > > negativ). > > > > Schöne Grüße aus München > > > > Jürgen Frontzek > > -- > > GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! > > Jetzt dabei sein: > > http://www.shortview.de/wasistshortview.php?mc=sv_ext_mf@gmx > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the > > subject and the body of the message > > -- > Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! > Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer

Hallo Jürgen, das von Alexandra erwähnte Lautenbach gehört als Zinken zu Durbach. Es dürfte so ca. 7 Häuser haben, 1950 hatte es 50 Einwohner. Bist Du mit Deiner Suche nach Creszens HEITZMANN aus Steinen weitergekommen? Gruss, Wendelin On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:55:38 +0200 Alexandra Hannon <die4hannons@online.de> wrote: > Hallo Herr Frontzek, > > es gibt noch eines südlich von Durbach. > > Alexandra (Hannon) > > > Jürgen Frontzek schrieb: > > Liebe Listenmitglieder, > > > > hat jemand eine Idee, ob es im Raum Offenburg einen weiteren Ort > > mit Namen Lauten(r)bach gibt (außer dem bei Oberkirch). Dort soll > > am 9.3.1825 Johannes SEGER, kath., geboren sein (die Suche in > > Lautenbach bei Oberkirch war negativ). > > > > Schöne Grüße aus München > > > > Jürgen Frontzek

Hallo Herr Frontzek, auf Wikipedia sind alle Lautenbach und Lauterbach aufgeführt, die es gibt. Ein ähnlicher Name ist noch Lauterbad. Viele Grüße Christian Erath -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 12:48:42 +0200 > Von: "Jürgen Frontzek" <j-frontzek@gmx.de> > An: deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com > Betreff: [Ortenau] Johannes SEGER geboren 1825 in Lauten(r)bach > Liebe Listenmitglieder, > > hat jemand eine Idee, ob es im Raum Offenburg einen weiteren Ort mit Namen > Lauten(r)bach gibt (außer dem bei Oberkirch). Dort soll am 9.3.1825 > Johannes SEGER, kath., geboren sein (die Suche in Lautenbach bei Oberkirch war > negativ). > > Schöne Grüße aus München > > Jürgen Frontzek > -- > GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! > Jetzt dabei sein: > http://www.shortview.de/wasistshortview.php?mc=sv_ext_mf@gmx > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer

Hallo Herr Frontzek, es gibt noch eines südlich von Durbach. Alexandra (Hannon) Jürgen Frontzek schrieb: > Liebe Listenmitglieder, > > hat jemand eine Idee, ob es im Raum Offenburg einen weiteren Ort mit Namen Lauten(r)bach gibt (außer dem bei Oberkirch). Dort soll am 9.3.1825 Johannes SEGER, kath., geboren sein (die Suche in Lautenbach bei Oberkirch war negativ). > > Schöne Grüße aus München > > Jürgen Frontzek >

Hey Jürgen, hier bei uns in Durbach (ca. 5 km von Offenburg) gibt es einen Zinken der Lautenbach heißt. Das wäre vielleicht auch eine Möglichkeit. Grüße Petra ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Jürgen Frontzek"" <j-frontzek@gmx.de> To: <deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 12:48 PM Subject: [Ortenau] Johannes SEGER geboren 1825 in Lauten(r)bach Liebe Listenmitglieder, hat jemand eine Idee, ob es im Raum Offenburg einen weiteren Ort mit Namen Lauten(r)bach gibt (außer dem bei Oberkirch). Dort soll am 9.3.1825 Johannes SEGER, kath., geboren sein (die Suche in Lautenbach bei Oberkirch war negativ). Schöne Grüße aus München Jürgen Frontzek -- GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/wasistshortview.php?mc=sv_ext_mf@gmx ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Liebe Listenmitglieder, hat jemand eine Idee, ob es im Raum Offenburg einen weiteren Ort mit Namen Lauten(r)bach gibt (außer dem bei Oberkirch). Dort soll am 9.3.1825 Johannes SEGER, kath., geboren sein (die Suche in Lautenbach bei Oberkirch war negativ). Schöne Grüße aus München Jürgen Frontzek -- GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/wasistshortview.php?mc=sv_ext_mf@gmx