Hello Jeanne! > The name you have with a question mark is "Bissinger". Okay, thanks. > I am sure Carol, Wendelin and I are related over and over again > through many lines. Yes, I think the same. I have many ancestors from Hofweier. > I am at a loss, without the records, to imagine what "Sermann" would > be. Hermann? Thanks, Wendelin

Hello Carol, poor Hofweier researchers. I think the script of the Familienbuch is also difficult to read. > Children of Joh. Friedrich and Anna Maria ?Biffinger > 1) Friedrich* > 2) Anna Maria* > 3) Barbara b. 25.4.1672 The child Friedrich is the father of the Güthle sisters who married in Niederschopfheim? Could Biffinger be Bissinger? > Children of Friedrich and Maria nee ?Sermann > 1) Maria b. 11.08.1685 > 2) Haus Jacob b. 21.07.1687 > 3) Maria Ursula b. 11.09.1695 > 4) Joannes b. 24.06.1697 * Really Sermann? Thanks for your help, Wendelin

Hello, I noticed your messages and thought I may be able to help a little. The name you have with a question mark is "Bissinger". My ancestor Joannes Jacob Isenmann b ca 1655 and m ca 1673 Hofweier married Margaretha Bissinger. I have been very fortunate to have a picture of Linus Brischle, whom I have not been able to pin down in original records in Waltersweier or Weier, Germany. He did not immigrate, but his daughter, Sophia, did as did his brother, Vincent, and his family. I have found lots of other ones there, though. I should do some more research on the Guethles and take them further back. I am sure Carol, Wendelin and I are related over and over again through many lines. The "Haus" Jacob is probably Hans, short for Joannes. I am at a loss, without the records, to imagine what "Sermann" would be. I hope I have not bothered either of you. Jeanne Carol Rogers wrote: > Hello Wendelin, > > Unfortunately, I under estimated the time for what this search would take > and spent several hours at the public library doing other research before > stopping at the FHC to look at the Guetle records. > > I did find the two Güthle marriages in Niederschopfheim that you referred > to. As well, I found the "Gietli" page in the Familienbuch in Hofweier > films. However, some of these earlier Hofweier records are extremely hard > to read as the letters are tiny and messy. Plus, the writing is somewhat > blurred, making it hard to get copies in order to magnify the script. > > We are fortunate to have a familienbuch for Hofweier as the inner part of > some of the pages from the original records are folded into the book > binding - cutting off some of the script. Plus, there are missing years > from 1644 to 16 Nov 1669. > > Children of Joh. Friedrich and Anna Maria ?Biffinger > > 1) Friedrich* > 2) Anna Maria* > 3) Barbara b. 25.4.1672 > > *I searched the records from 16 November 1669 through 25 Apr 1672, but found > nothing for either Friedrich or Anna Maria. However, with Friedrich married > in 1684, he was probably born before 1665. > > Children of Friedrich and Maria nee ?Sermann > > 1) Maria b. 11.08.1685 > 2) Haus Jacob b. 21.07.1687 > 3) Maria Ursula b. 11.09.1695 > 4) Joannes b. 24.06.1697 * > > *(The original record looks like a "24" vs. the "14" that appears in the > familienbuch.) > > I'll have to finish the other marriages/children next visit as I ran out of > time. Also, I hope to find some other records with clearer spelling of the > spouses' surnames. > > Carol > > > -----Original Message----- > From: deu-bad-ortenau-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:deu-bad-ortenau-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Wendelin > Irslinger > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:49 AM > To: deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Ortenau] Gietle from Hofweier > > > Hello Carol, > > do you still offer lookups for the parish records of Hofweier? > > I recognized a new familyname from Hofweier as ancestor. > Anna Maria Giethle (Gietle), daughter of the deceased Friedrich Giethle > from Hofweier, married oo 12.01.1739 in Niederschopfheim Jakob Ehret > > Seems she had a sister who also married in Niederschopfheim: > Regina Giethle (Gietle) oo 15.01.1742 in Niederschopfheim Adam Brüstle > > I have an index of the Familienbuch Hofweier which shows the name as > Gietli on page 194. I hope it's the name I am looking for. > > I assume the surname could be written as Gietle, Gütle and it seems > also Gietli. > > Carol, if you have a little bit time, can you please look for Friedrich > G. and his family? > > Thanks, > Wendelin > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hello Wendelin, Unfortunately, I under estimated the time for what this search would take and spent several hours at the public library doing other research before stopping at the FHC to look at the Guetle records. I did find the two Güthle marriages in Niederschopfheim that you referred to. As well, I found the "Gietli" page in the Familienbuch in Hofweier films. However, some of these earlier Hofweier records are extremely hard to read as the letters are tiny and messy. Plus, the writing is somewhat blurred, making it hard to get copies in order to magnify the script. We are fortunate to have a familienbuch for Hofweier as the inner part of some of the pages from the original records are folded into the book binding - cutting off some of the script. Plus, there are missing years from 1644 to 16 Nov 1669. Children of Joh. Friedrich and Anna Maria ?Biffinger 1) Friedrich* 2) Anna Maria* 3) Barbara b. 25.4.1672 *I searched the records from 16 November 1669 through 25 Apr 1672, but found nothing for either Friedrich or Anna Maria. However, with Friedrich married in 1684, he was probably born before 1665. Children of Friedrich and Maria nee ?Sermann 1) Maria b. 11.08.1685 2) Haus Jacob b. 21.07.1687 3) Maria Ursula b. 11.09.1695 4) Joannes b. 24.06.1697 * *(The original record looks like a "24" vs. the "14" that appears in the familienbuch.) I'll have to finish the other marriages/children next visit as I ran out of time. Also, I hope to find some other records with clearer spelling of the spouses' surnames. Carol -----Original Message----- From: deu-bad-ortenau-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:deu-bad-ortenau-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Wendelin Irslinger Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:49 AM To: deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com Subject: [Ortenau] Gietle from Hofweier Hello Carol, do you still offer lookups for the parish records of Hofweier? I recognized a new familyname from Hofweier as ancestor. Anna Maria Giethle (Gietle), daughter of the deceased Friedrich Giethle from Hofweier, married oo 12.01.1739 in Niederschopfheim Jakob Ehret Seems she had a sister who also married in Niederschopfheim: Regina Giethle (Gietle) oo 15.01.1742 in Niederschopfheim Adam Brüstle I have an index of the Familienbuch Hofweier which shows the name as Gietli on page 194. I hope it's the name I am looking for. I assume the surname could be written as Gietle, Gütle and it seems also Gietli. Carol, if you have a little bit time, can you please look for Friedrich G. and his family? Thanks, Wendelin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Dj, thank you for the updates! I still have the 5 Welschensteinach films to go through at the local FHC here since last Winter! and no time---at least my available hours do not match theirs. Hopefully I will have time soon. I still need to solve the question of why Emerentia (Messmer) Schwendemann went back to Welschensteinach in 1861 (after being in America since 1854) where she died in 1862 karenq > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > [Ortenau] Johann Illuminatus Ketterer > From: > "djweber" <djwdjw@ix.netcom.com> > Date: > Sat, 4 Oct 2008 11:42:51 -0500 > To: > <deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com> > > To: > <deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com> > > > To those I remember sending part of my Schwendemann-Ketterer file > (KAREN, FRANK) and to those others I know I had sent part of the same > file..... > > The families of Johann Martin Schwendemann of Welschensteinach > (1726-1796) > and Maria Magdalena Ketterer of Runzengraben/Steinach (1729-1799) need an > adjustment from my original listing information. > > The eldest sibling of Maria Magdalena Ketterer was originally entered > in my > file as Johannes Ketterer because Latin script or not, I could not > read the > second name shown in the baptismal entry. > > Usually I can stare at a name and whether it is Latin or German script > eventually figure out was was written but this confused me too much. > > The first line easily identified "Johannes". > The second lime of the name appeared to be "J Ouminat"...with a swirl > at the > end. > > Staring at the second name did not give me an answer and I held the > block-form baptismal entry for well over a year wondering what the > correct > name may have been. Finally, I gave up and asked WENDELIN for help. > > Within minutes, I had my answer from Wendelin. What I did not and > would not > have known was identified Illuminatus which turned out to be a proper > Saint's name. The believed upper case O was correctly two lower case > "ells" > with the first ell having its top curved to the right and the second ell > having its top curved to the left...the letters joining. > > So if Karen, Frank or any others have a Johannes Ketterer baptismal > date of > June 6, 1725 in their records, please correct the name to Johann > Illuminatus > Ketterer. > > djweber > djwdjw@ix.netcom.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To contact the DEU-BAD-ORTENAU list administrator, send an email to > DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the DEU-BAD-ORTENAU mailing list, send an email to DEU-BAD-ORTENAU@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. >

To those I remember sending part of my Schwendemann-Ketterer file (KAREN, FRANK) and to those others I know I had sent part of the same file..... The families of Johann Martin Schwendemann of Welschensteinach (1726-1796) and Maria Magdalena Ketterer of Runzengraben/Steinach (1729-1799) need an adjustment from my original listing information. The eldest sibling of Maria Magdalena Ketterer was originally entered in my file as Johannes Ketterer because Latin script or not, I could not read the second name shown in the baptismal entry. Usually I can stare at a name and whether it is Latin or German script eventually figure out was was written but this confused me too much. The first line easily identified "Johannes". The second lime of the name appeared to be "J Ouminat"...with a swirl at the end. Staring at the second name did not give me an answer and I held the block-form baptismal entry for well over a year wondering what the correct name may have been. Finally, I gave up and asked WENDELIN for help. Within minutes, I had my answer from Wendelin. What I did not and would not have known was identified Illuminatus which turned out to be a proper Saint's name. The believed upper case O was correctly two lower case "ells" with the first ell having its top curved to the right and the second ell having its top curved to the left...the letters joining. So if Karen, Frank or any others have a Johannes Ketterer baptismal date of June 6, 1725 in their records, please correct the name to Johann Illuminatus Ketterer. djweber djwdjw@ix.netcom.com

Wendelin, Thank You! I went through your < http://mortenau.de > site and sent copies of both maps to my own e-mail address so that I would have them available to me at all times not merely when I went on-line. Agreed I knew the original ownerships of my searching-in towns (you and your web sites had been the source for that knowledge) and I know the current consolidated Towns but your maps make everything so much easier. You have given me something extra special! djweber djwdjw@ix.netcom.com

Hello Alicia, have you anything found out about the Heitz family in Schutterwald and Philippine Schaub? I just found out that I have Heitz ancestors from Schutterwald. My ancestor Catharina Heitz was daughter of Mathäus Heitz und Catharina Ehret from Schutterwald. Catharina Heitz married in Niederschopfheim in 1768. So I am also researching the Heitz family from Schutterwald. The memberpage lists no Heitz family in Schutterwald in 1727 so I assume Mathäus Heitz was the first or second generation of that family in that town. - Wendelin On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:25:52 -0400 "A McAdam" <amcadam@msn.com> wrote: > Hello List Members: > > I am researching the Heitz family from Schutterwald, Baden. Robert > Heitz (b. 1824, according to his U.S. death record) left Schutterwald > for the U.S. in 1853. He was traveling with Philippine Schaub (b. > 1829), also from Schutterwald. Robert married Philippine, evidently > somewhere in the U.S. > > Although I have the ship passenger list for Robert and Philippine, I > have been unable to find any other information. I have searched > Ancestry.com, the LDS website, the Landesarchiv Baden-Wurttemberg > website, and every other place that I can think of, all to no avail. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > A.L. McAdam

Hello, I created 2 maps for the webpage. One shows to which domination the towns belonged before 1803. The other map shows to which communties the towns belong today. I used different colors for different dominations and communities. Go to the main page: http://ortenau.genealogy-bw.de or http://mortenau.de and click on "Karte (Map)" I habe 2 Karten für die Webseite erstellt. Eine zeigt zu welcher Herrschaft die Orte vor 1803 gehörten. Die andee Karte zeigt zu welchen Gemeinden die Orte heute gehören. Gehe zur Haupseite: http://ortenau.genealogy-bw.de oder http://mortenau.de und klicke auf "Karte (Map)" - Wendelin

Tony, when I read your email I noticed that I have forgotten to include the Oberkirch emigrants on the special emigration page. Now I have included them. - Wendelin On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 23:51:32 -0400 "tony fetz" wrote: > Thanks Wendelin....I appreciate your interest > > Tony >

Hello Wendelin, It is good to hear from you! Yes, of course I will look up this family for you. Do you want copies of the records? I will see if I can save them on my memory stick so they can be transferred electronically, or make paper copies and mail them to you. Either way .... you've done so much for us and I'm so thankful to be returning the favor. In my Ste. Genevieve County set of Tombstone Inscriptions books, the name is generally spelled Guethle, with a few Guetle, Guettle, Guitle, Guthle versions - could be mispellings on tombstones, however. There is also a Brischle family line. I've got several in my database which I've trailed back to Weier. Best wishes, Carol -----Original Message----- From: deu-bad-ortenau-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:deu-bad-ortenau-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Wendelin Irslinger Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:49 AM To: deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com Subject: [Ortenau] Gietle from Hofweier Hello Carol, do you still offer lookups for the parish records of Hofweier? I recognized a new familyname from Hofweier as ancestor. Anna Maria Giethle (Gietle), daughter of the deceased Friedrich Giethle from Hofweier, married oo 12.01.1739 in Niederschopfheim Jakob Ehret Seems she had a sister who also married in Niederschopfheim: Regina Giethle (Gietle) oo 15.01.1742 in Niederschopfheim Adam Brüstle I have an index of the Familienbuch Hofweier which shows the name as Gietli on page 194. I hope it's the name I am looking for. I assume the surname could be written as Gietle, Gütle and it seems also Gietli. Carol, if you have a little bit time, can you please look for Friedrich G. and his family? Thanks, Wendelin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Carol, do you still offer lookups for the parish records of Hofweier? I recognized a new familyname from Hofweier as ancestor. Anna Maria Giethle (Gietle), daughter of the deceased Friedrich Giethle from Hofweier, married oo 12.01.1739 in Niederschopfheim Jakob Ehret Seems she had a sister who also married in Niederschopfheim: Regina Giethle (Gietle) oo 15.01.1742 in Niederschopfheim Adam Brüstle I have an index of the Familienbuch Hofweier which shows the name as Gietli on page 194. I hope it's the name I am looking for. I assume the surname could be written as Gietle, Gütle and it seems also Gietli. Carol, if you have a little bit time, can you please look for Friedrich G. and his family? Thanks, Wendelin

Thanks Wendelin....I appreciate your interest Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendelin Irslinger" <genealogy@babbalu.com> To: <deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 2:25 PM Subject: [Ortenau] Update > Hello. > > Update on the memberpage > ortenau.genealogy-bw.de/search > > I included a link to a download. It's a book (in German) about the > history of Freistett typed by Thomas Adam. > And I made an update on the page about Wolfach. > Click on "Sources" and scroll down to the section "Orte (Towns)". > > I decided to include all information about the emigrants on a special > page because there are meanwhile many pages. > The memberpage has a new link "Emigration". > It starts with the heading "Individual families" where I already > included few families who emigrated to the USA (in English language). > You may also include your own families or relatives who emigrated. > > The heading and link "List of emigrants" lists the various towns. > > - Wendelin > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Peter: I just did a double-take on some of your names. In my personal database I have a Casimus Witmajer, b. 09 Mar 1784, son Joannes Georgius Widmayer, b. 1753 and Anna Maria Schmitten. Could this possibly be your line, too? Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Bravard" <dbravard@yahoo.com> To: "Dad" <dbravard2@insight.rr.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 9:30 PM Subject: Fw: Urloffen/Zimmern > > > > --- On Mon, 9/22/08, Peter Obermanns <pobermanns@t-online.de> wrote: > >> From: Peter Obermanns <pobermanns@t-online.de> >> Subject: Urloffen/Zimmern >> To: dbravard@yahoo.com >> Date: Monday, September 22, 2008, 2:10 PM >> Hello, >> >> I found your name on a geneaology website as a researcher >> for the >> Urloffen/Zimmern area of Germany, and I am writing to ask >> for advice >> and/or research work into the the history of my wife's >> family. >> >> According to some sources she has, her >> Great-great-grandfather George >> John Wiedmeyer (5/22/1814 - 7/3/1892) was born in in Urloff >> (possibly >> misspelled), Baden and emigrated to the USA. >> >> We also know that George John"s father, Casimer >> (Casmier?) Wiedmeyer >> (3/9/1784 - 11/4/1867) (my wife's >> Great-great-great-grandfather) was >> born there and came to the USA at the same time, settling >> in >> Richfield, Wisconsin. >> >> Casimer's father was Johann G. Wiedmeyer. >> >> George John Wiedmeyer's wife was Francesa (Franziska) >> Moser (5/15/1822 >> - 4/6/1904), who was born in Ziemer (possibly misspelled). >> Her >> parents, Alois Moser (1796 - ) and Barbara Schelli (1800 - >> ) were both >> born in Baden, Germanic Lands. and married 5/4/1820. >> >> I've used the LDS Family Search to find/verify some of >> this >> information, but I'm wondering if there are other >> sources of >> information for that area, including researchers for hire. >> Can you >> suggest anything? >> >> Thanks for your time. >> Peter Obermanns > > > >

Peter: I have a couple of thoughts that may be of assistance in your research. First, you might try to locate your local Family History Center. The volunteers there might know of a local German researcher who might be of help. The Catholic Church records of Urloffen are available on microfilm for a nominal fee through your local FHC, too. However, the microfilms are all in German and/or Latin. Second, there is a professional researcher I am aware of, Friedrich R. Wollmershauser. His services can be a bit pricey: Herrengasse 8-10 7938 Oberdischingen Germany The last suggestion are members of the Rootsweb mailing lists of Urloffen, Offenburg and of Ortenau, Offenburg whom I have taken the liberty of cc'ing. They might have some other suggestions or even familial connections for that matter. Hope this helps. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Bravard" <dbravard@yahoo.com> To: "Dad" <dbravard2@insight.rr.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 9:30 PM Subject: Fw: Urloffen/Zimmern > > > > --- On Mon, 9/22/08, Peter Obermanns <pobermanns@t-online.de> wrote: > >> From: Peter Obermanns <pobermanns@t-online.de> >> Subject: Urloffen/Zimmern >> To: dbravard@yahoo.com >> Date: Monday, September 22, 2008, 2:10 PM >> Hello, >> >> I found your name on a geneaology website as a researcher >> for the >> Urloffen/Zimmern area of Germany, and I am writing to ask >> for advice >> and/or research work into the the history of my wife's >> family. >> >> According to some sources she has, her >> Great-great-grandfather George >> John Wiedmeyer (5/22/1814 - 7/3/1892) was born in in Urloff >> (possibly >> misspelled), Baden and emigrated to the USA. >> >> We also know that George John"s father, Casimer >> (Casmier?) Wiedmeyer >> (3/9/1784 - 11/4/1867) (my wife's >> Great-great-great-grandfather) was >> born there and came to the USA at the same time, settling >> in >> Richfield, Wisconsin. >> >> Casimer's father was Johann G. Wiedmeyer. >> >> George John Wiedmeyer's wife was Francesa (Franziska) >> Moser (5/15/1822 >> - 4/6/1904), who was born in Ziemer (possibly misspelled). >> Her >> parents, Alois Moser (1796 - ) and Barbara Schelli (1800 - >> ) were both >> born in Baden, Germanic Lands. and married 5/4/1820. >> >> I've used the LDS Family Search to find/verify some of >> this >> information, but I'm wondering if there are other >> sources of >> information for that area, including researchers for hire. >> Can you >> suggest anything? >> >> Thanks for your time. >> Peter Obermanns > > > >

Liebe Listies, ich suche Anschluss zu dem folgenden Ehepaar ADAM THOMASIE, von dem ich nur folgende Angaben habe: ADAM, Hanß Georg geboren : 1745 (errechnet) in : ?? oo wann: ?? wo: ?? THOMASIE, Magdalena geboren : 1745 (errechnet) in : ?? Kinder: Maria Magdalena ˜ 31.05.1766 Freistett Anna Maria * 03.1769 Freistett Johann Friedrich * 26.03.1771 Freistett † ??.1835 Johann Christian (66) * 26.09.1775 Freistett † 29.01.1829 Freistett Maria Salome * 19.03.1783 Freistett Mir fehlen die Hochzeit sowie die Eltern ... des Ehepaares sowie weitere Angaben zu den Kindern und deren Kindern. Für jeden Hinweis bin ich dankbar. Mit freundlichen Grüßen Thomas (Adam)

Thank You very much, Wendelin, for the data on the Kilius line. I was surprised to see that, Maria Dorothea had married three times! This data helps very much. I have the father of Michael Fritsch as Joseph*01 Feb 1674 ooAnna Hügel, 9 children, and the father of Joseph as Hans Conrad*1648, (my 7th great grandfather) ooAnna Lang 4children... all of Altenheim. If you can see further back than that, I would very much like to have the data. Thanks again for helping us, you are doing a super work finding our ancestors. Darrel -----Original Message----- From: deu-bad-ortenau-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:deu-bad-ortenau-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Wendelin Irslinger Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 1:34 PM To: deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Killius Hello Darrel, If you need the ancestors with name Fritsch let me know. 2703 oo 16.7.1703 Lahr Conrad Friedrich Kilius <oo II see 2706>, Barbier und Bader (auch Chirurg genannt), from Friesenheim, * about 1681, + Altenheim 7.5.1740, and Anna Margaretha Buchert, * (16.11.1681), + Altenheim 22.1.1733 10 Children: Conrad Friedrich 2.10.1703 Johann Philipp 14.7.1705 Tobias 24.7.1706 * in Lahr on the flight, + Altenheim 18.3.1709 Christian Friedrich 6.1.1709, + 12.1.1709 Anna Margaretha <913> Jeremias 11.1.1713 Maria Dorothea <1688, 4723, 2977> Maria Magdalena 13.1.1719 Friedrich Diebold 4.12.1721, + 25.9.1738 Conrad Friedrich <2708, 2712> 2706 oo 8.3.1734 Conrad Friedrich Kilius <oo I see 2703>, and Veronica Wäldin <daughter of Christian Wäldin, citzin in Schöftland, Kanton Aargau/Schweiz, Calvinist. 3 Children: Maria Barbara 12.4.1735, + 17.6.1737 (scorbutic) Maria Barbara 18.2.1738 Christian 20.9.1740, + 10.5.1743 1688 oo 16.4.1736 Michael Fritsch <from 1684; oo I. see 1687>, and Maria Dorothea Kilius <from 2703; oo II see 4723, III see 2977>, * 4.9.1715, + 22.11.1775 2 Children: Ursula 17.2.1737 Michael 29.9.1740, + 23.6.1748 4723 oo 22.2.1745 Hans Ruff <from 4715; oo I see 4718, II see 4721>, and Maria Dorothea Kilius <from 2703; oo I see 1688, III see 2977>, * 4.9.1715, + 22.11.1775 3 Children: Magdalena 26.11.1745, + 9.4.1757 Michael 20.8.1747, + 20.8.1747 Jacob 23.9.1748 2977 oo 7.1.1754 Hans Conrad Krämer <from 2963; oo I see 2967>, and Maria Dorothea Kilius <from 2703; oo I see 1688, II see 4723>, * 4.9.1715, + 22.11.1775 2 Children: Catharina <2982, 2364> Conrad <3260, 2984> - Wendelin On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:42:51 -0500 "Darrel" <dar7ter@comcast.net> wrote: > Hello list, > > I am looking for someone that has the Altenheim OSB. I am looking > for the parents and siblings of Maria Dorothea Killius/Kilius *04 Sep > 1715 in Altenheim. She was married to Michael Fritsch * abt 1700 aus > Altenheim, on 16 Apr 1736 in Altenheim. > > > > Any info would be appreciated. > > > > Thanks > > Darrel ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Wendelin, You are so amazing....to have remembered my request and now sent the information. Thank you seems to be too small a remark for all that you do for everyone on the List and me in particular. I know that we are all very grateful for your help and appreciate it so very much. Bless you and thank you, Best regards, Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendelin Irslinger" <genealogy@babbalu.com> To: <deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Nickert from Kippenheim > Hello Pat, > > some weeks later: > > 4106 oo > Matthis Nickert (Nicker) <from 4104> oo II see 4107>, Ackersmann, * in > December 1700, + 9.1.1772, and Susanna Friederich <from 1135>, * > 13.2.1702. Protestant 4 Children: Catharina <4907> > Martin 11.11.1729, + (1730) > Susanna 18.11.1731, + 12.1.1733 > Johannes 9.1.1734, + 10.4.1800, unmarried > > 4107 oo > Mathias Nickert <oo I see 4106>, and Anna Maria Vetter, * about 1708, + > 24.1.1768. Protestant. 6 Children: > Anna Maria <1161> > Mathias 7.2.1743 > Jacob <4108> > Anna Barbara 28.4.1747, + 23.8.1747 > Maria Elisabetha <5581> > Regina 1751, + 30.8.1753 > > 4104 oo 1695 > Georg Nickert (Nicker) <from 4103>, citizen, + (before 1710), and Anna > Lux <oo II see 2993>, * 23.9.1664, <daughter of Hans Lux>. 2 Children: > Anna Clara <3692> > Mathias <4106, 4107> > > 4103 oo > Hanß Nicker, and Maria (Mauder). Protestant. > 4 Children: > Georg <4104> > Catharina <2853, 5549> > Maria <3114> > Elisabetha <4883> > > The author didn't write that the following couple are parents of #4103: > 4012 oo 1628 > Alexander Nickert (Nicker) + (before 1637), and Catharina Zürcher > <daughter of Jacob Zürcher and Anna Pfürtzer>; oo II see 920, III see > 67>, * 8.3.1608. Protestant. 1 Child: Hans > > > 1135 oo 7.1.1686 > Hans Conrad Fridrich <from 1131>, * 10.7.1653, and Susanna Moll > <daughter of Matthias Moll>. Protestant. 5 Children: > Anna Catharina 12.9.1686 <oo Wittenweier 23.11.1721> > Michael <1145> > Johann Conrad <1144> > Johann Jacob 2.8.1698, + 2.3.1699 > Susanna <4106> > > - Wendelin > > On Sat, 3 May 2008 17:44:38 +0200 > Wendelin Irslinger wrote: > >> Hello Pat, >> >> > In the information that you sent to me on Apr 17th, I was missing >> > the information on Catharina Nickert (4106) >> meanwhile I saw the kinship book but the page with number 4106 is >> missing in that copy. I hope that page isn't missing in all >> copies. And I hope I have the chance to view another copy in some >> weeks. >> >> - Wendelin > > >

Treaty between Baden and the United States of America in regard the citizenship of emigrants from 19 July 1868 with ratification on 7 December 1869. ---------------------- His Royal Highness the Grand Duke of Baden and the President of the United States of America, led by the wish to regulate the citizenship of those persons who emigrate from Baden to the United States of America, and from the United States of America to the territory of the Grand Duchy, have resolved to treat on this subject, and have for that purpose appointed plenipotentiaries - that is to say: His Royal Highness the Grand Duke of Baden: His President of the Ministry of the Grand Ducal House and of foreign affairs, and Chamberlain, Rudolph von Freydorf, and the President of the United States of America: George Bancroft, Envoy extraordinary and Minister plenipotentiary from the said States near the Grand Duke of Baden, who have agreed to and signed the following Articles. Article 1. Citizens of the Grand Duchy of Baden, who have resided uninterruptedly within the United States of America five years, and before, during, or after that time, have become, or shall become naturalized citizens of the United States, shall be held by Baden to be American citizens, and shall be treated as such. Reciprocally: citizens of the United States of America, who have resided uninterruptedly within the Grand Duchy of Baden five years, and before, during, or after that time, have become, or shall become naturalized citizens of the Grand Duchy of Baden, shall be held by the United States to be citizens of Baden, and shall be treated as such. The declaration of an intention to become a citizen of the one or the other country, has not for either party, the effect of naturalization. Article 2. A naturalized citizen of the one party, on return to the territory of the other party, remains liable to trial and punishment for an action punishable by the laws of his original country and committed before his emigration; saving always the limitation established by the laws of his original country, or any other remission of liability to punishment. In particular: a former Badener who, under the first article, is to be held as an American citizen, is liable to trial and punishment according to the laws of Baden for non fulfilment of military duty, 1. if he has emigrated, after he, on occasion of the draft from those owing military duty, has been enrolled as a recruit for service in the standing army; 2. if he has emigrated, whilst he stood in service under the flag, or had a leave of absence only for a limited time; 3. if having a leave of absence for an unlimited time, or belonging to the reserve, or to the militia, he has emigrated after having received a call into service, or after a public proclamation requiring his appearance or after war has broken out. On the other hand: a former Badener naturalized in the United States, who, by or after his emigration, has transgressed or shall transgress the legal provisions on military duty, by any acts or omissions, other than those above enumerated in the clauses numbered one to three, can on his return to his original country, neither be held subsequently to military service, nor remain liable to trial and punishment for the nonfulfilment of his military duty. Moreover; the attachement on the property of an emigrant for nonfulfilment of his military duty, except in the cases designated in the clauses numbered one to three, shall be removed, so soon as he shall prove his naturalization in the United States according to the first article. Article 3. The convention for the mutual delivery of criminals, fugitives from Justice, concluded between the Grand Duchy of Baden on the one part, and the United States of America on the other part, the thirtieth day of January one thousand eight hundred and fifty seven, remains in force without change. Article 4. The emigrant from the one State who according to the first Article, is to be held as citizen of the other State shall not on his return to his original country be constrained to resume his former citizenship; yet if he shall of his own accord, reacquire it and renounce the citizenship obtained by naturalization, such a renunciation is allowed, an no fixed period of residence shall be required for the recognition of his recovery of citizenship in his original country. Article 5. The present convention shall go into effect, immediately on the exchange of ratifications, and shall continue in force ten years. If neither party shall have given to the other, six months previous notice of its intention then to terminate the same, it shall remain in force until the end of twelve months after either of the contracting parties shall have given notice of such intention. Article 6. The present convention shall be ratified by His Royal Highness the Grand Duke of Baden and by the President by and with the advice an consent of the Senate of the United States, and the ratifications shall be exchanged at Carlsruhe as soon as possilbe. In faith whereof the Plenipotentiaries have signed and sealed this convention. Carlsruhe, the 19. July 1868. Geo. Bancroft.

Hello Pat, some weeks later: 4106 oo Matthis Nickert (Nicker) <from 4104> oo II see 4107>, Ackersmann, * in December 1700, + 9.1.1772, and Susanna Friederich <from 1135>, * 13.2.1702. Protestant 4 Children: Catharina <4907> Martin 11.11.1729, + (1730) Susanna 18.11.1731, + 12.1.1733 Johannes 9.1.1734, + 10.4.1800, unmarried 4107 oo Mathias Nickert <oo I see 4106>, and Anna Maria Vetter, * about 1708, + 24.1.1768. Protestant. 6 Children: Anna Maria <1161> Mathias 7.2.1743 Jacob <4108> Anna Barbara 28.4.1747, + 23.8.1747 Maria Elisabetha <5581> Regina 1751, + 30.8.1753 4104 oo 1695 Georg Nickert (Nicker) <from 4103>, citizen, + (before 1710), and Anna Lux <oo II see 2993>, * 23.9.1664, <daughter of Hans Lux>. 2 Children: Anna Clara <3692> Mathias <4106, 4107> 4103 oo Hanß Nicker, and Maria (Mauder). Protestant. 4 Children: Georg <4104> Catharina <2853, 5549> Maria <3114> Elisabetha <4883> The author didn't write that the following couple are parents of #4103: 4012 oo 1628 Alexander Nickert (Nicker) + (before 1637), and Catharina Zürcher <daughter of Jacob Zürcher and Anna Pfürtzer>; oo II see 920, III see 67>, * 8.3.1608. Protestant. 1 Child: Hans 1135 oo 7.1.1686 Hans Conrad Fridrich <from 1131>, * 10.7.1653, and Susanna Moll <daughter of Matthias Moll>. Protestant. 5 Children: Anna Catharina 12.9.1686 <oo Wittenweier 23.11.1721> Michael <1145> Johann Conrad <1144> Johann Jacob 2.8.1698, + 2.3.1699 Susanna <4106> - Wendelin On Sat, 3 May 2008 17:44:38 +0200 Wendelin Irslinger wrote: > Hello Pat, > > > In the information that you sent to me on Apr 17th, I was missing > > the information on Catharina Nickert (4106) > meanwhile I saw the kinship book but the page with number 4106 is > missing in that copy. I hope that page isn't missing in all > copies. And I hope I have the chance to view another copy in some > weeks. > > - Wendelin