Hallo Hansjörg, ich habe wieder einmal auf der Spitzmüller-Seite vorbeigeschaut und was lese ich da: "Thanks to German researcher Hansjörg Streif who located some research done by a German named Emil Bittiger from 1927-1932, all four lines of Spitzmüllers are now tied together in a single line. Bittiger must have had access to some very old church records, older than any that have survived to the present day. Present day Catholic church records held by the Family History Library in Salt Lake City only go back to 1608, with many gaps in them, particularly in the marriages. Bittiger's research goes back to Caspar Spitzmüller who died in 1511 and his wife Barbara. NEW!" Hat Emil Bittiger keine Quellen angegeben? Die ältesten Kirchenbucheinträge kurz vor 1600 dürften ja aus dem Kirchenbuch von Gengenbach stammen, da Nordrach erst 1608 Pfarrei geworden ist und bis dahin von Zell a. H. und Gengenbach betreut wurde. Und die früheren Angaben aus dem 16. Jahrhundert könnten aus den Faller-Büchern des Klosters Gengenbach stammen, die von mindestens 1511 bis 1602 reichen. Gruss, Wendelin On Sun, 9 Nov 2008 22:00:11 +0100 Hansjörg Streif <h.streif@web.de> wrote: > Hello, > if you are interested to know more about the husband and the > decendants of Martha Feißt search under google - deuspitz - Viktor > Spitzmüller (borne 18 July 1821). > You will find a great many of relatives > Hansjörg

Wendelin, I have not yet researched Burchkert's in Hofweier or Niederschopfheim. I do have a name close to it in my database: Burgert, Michael - who married in Bohlsbach to Apollonia Fischer from Windschlag and had three children in Bohlsbach Did Burchkert evolve into Burgert? Carol -----Original Message----- From: deu-bad-ortenau-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:deu-bad-ortenau-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Wendelin Irslinger Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 9:41 AM To: deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Churfurst/Kurfurst Carol, > this Salomea Churfurst who married in Niederschopfheim, and their > father was perhaps Johannes Christian or Christian Johannes. seems possible that or his name was Johannes Christian, probable if you have no other Christian. One of the witnesses was Jacob Isenmann. I think he is in my database as Hans Jakob Isenmann who was married with Anna Maria Burckert. Was Caspar Burckert a brother of Anna Maria Burckert? - Wendelin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Carol, > this Salomea Churfurst who married in Niederschopfheim, and their > father was perhaps Johannes Christian or Christian Johannes. seems possible that or his name was Johannes Christian, probable if you have no other Christian. One of the witnesses was Jacob Isenmann. I think he is in my database as Hans Jakob Isenmann who was married with Anna Maria Burckert. Was Caspar Burckert a brother of Anna Maria Burckert? - Wendelin

Carol, you have edit rights so you should able to include data. I believe I must approve it before other persons can view these changes. > Johann Adam Ehrhardt mg. to Barbara Gegg on 8 Jan 1725. > Martin Ehret and Anna Maria Bihrle. > Michael Baumann and Ursula Frantz Yeah, these couples are my ancestors. There are many missing data, for example I would like to know where my Isenmann ancestor came from. - Wendelin

I've relabeled the "subject" from the e-mail below as I've found something else to add to the information regarding Churfurst from Ebersweier and Hofweier that I previously sent in. There is a marriage record in Niederschopfheim on 27 November 1730 where Caspar Burckert married Salomea Churfurst, d/o Christian Churfurst, deceased from Hofweier. As listed below, there was a Maria Salomia born in Hofweier on 22 May 1701 to the only Churfurst family listed in early records and family church book. However, that Maria Salomia had father listed as Johannes. This could not be the Christian Churfurst who married in Ebersweier in 1728 who also had father listed as Johannes because he had 10 children between 1728-1747. So it is my feeling that the Christian identified in his Ebersweier marriage record as son of Johannes Churfurst from Hofweier was a sister of this Salomea Churfurst who married in Niederschopfheim, and their father was perhaps Johannes Christian or Christian Johannes. This name was found in earlier records with various spellings, but evolved into Kurfurst by the 1800's. Has anyone else been researching this family? Wish I had some definite proof of my theory. Carol -----Original Message----- From: deu-bad-ortenau-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:deu-bad-ortenau-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Carol Rogers Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:51 AM To: deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Gietle from Hofweier >You mentioned Brischle, which is not a direct ancestor surname of mine. However, the Vincent Brischle who mg. Maria Magdalena Kurfurst in Weier connects to my Kurfurst, I believe. Magdalena, as she went by later, had paternal grandparents Franz Joseph Churfurst and Magdalena Jockerst who married in Windschlag. Franz Joseph was s/o Francis Churfurst and Magdalena Lausmann who can be found in Buhl marriage records. My Christian Churfurst/Curfurst who married 26 Jan 1728 in Ebersweier had father listed as Johann Churfurst from Hofweier and brother, Franz Churfurst from Ebersweier as a witness. There were no records found in Ebersweier on Franz, and only one Churfurst family recorded in Hofweier: Johann Churfurst married to Clara Himelspach (Oberkirch) Children: Franz Anton 7.1.1698 Maria Salomia 22.5.1701 Ambrosius 6.4.1704 Catherine 10.11.1706 I believe the Franz Anton might be the "Franz" that was married in Buhl to Maria Anna Carle from Weier in 1723. I'm now wondering if Maria Anna died and this same "Franz" was the Francis Churfurst who married Magdalena Lausmann who I found in Buhl marriage records in 1735. Perhaps Franz Anton went by his first name rather than the typical middle name as many did back then. I'm also wondering if my Christian Churfurst who married in Ebersweier was the same Ambrosius found in Hofweier. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the towns I've searched, I do not find many Churfurst/Kurfurst records at all around Offenburg.<

Wendelin, Sorry, but I now see where you have the Joseph Schaub mg. to Anna Maria Ehrhard family on your site. So now I'll just double check my information with what you have - and see if I've missed anyone else. Carol -----Original Message----- From: deu-bad-ortenau-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:deu-bad-ortenau-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Carol Rogers Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:53 PM To: deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com Subject: [Ortenau] Schaub's in Niederschopfheim Wendelin, After studying the Schaub's on your site and comparing them to the Schaub's from Niederschopfheim that I have, I was having trouble finding ones we had in common. However, when viewing your Ehrhardt's, found Johann Adam Ehrhardt mg. to Barbara Gegg on 8 Jan 1725. That is a match for what I have on Joseph Schaub, s/o Sebastian Schaub and Maria Eva Ehret that married 9 January 1747 in Niederschopfheim to Anna Maria "Ehret", d/o Joannes Adam Ehret and Barbara "Geck". I have 8 baptismal records for Joseph and Anna Maria's children. Once I'm logged into your site, do I just add these names - or do you have to do this yourself? Then I have a Francis Schaub, s/o Lazari Schaub and Anna Maria Ehert that married 7 November 1746 in Niederschopfheim to Anna Maria "Ehret", d/o Martin Ehert and Anna Maria ??? (have to recheck record) with three children's baptismal records. This might match what you have for Anna Maria Ehret with parents, Martin Ehret and Anna Maria Bihrle. I'll look at Anna Maria's last name again and see if it could be the "female version" of Bihrle. Francis Schaub, father, was listed deceased on the 3rd child's record. You also have an Agatha Baumann, d/o Michael Baumann and Ursula Frantz who I have an Agatha Baumann, d/o Michael Baumann, #1 mg. to Andreas Ehert, s/o Sebastian, 16 Nov 1739, and #2 mg. to Francis (Franz Joseph?) Schaub, s/o Johann Georg Schaub and Elisabeth Mayer. I have four children for that family. There is more, but this is a start. If I'm able to submit this info myself when logged in, I'll do so. Carol ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Wendelin, After studying the Schaub's on your site and comparing them to the Schaub's from Niederschopfheim that I have, I was having trouble finding ones we had in common. However, when viewing your Ehrhardt's, found Johann Adam Ehrhardt mg. to Barbara Gegg on 8 Jan 1725. That is a match for what I have on Joseph Schaub, s/o Sebastian Schaub and Maria Eva Ehret that married 9 January 1747 in Niederschopfheim to Anna Maria "Ehret", d/o Joannes Adam Ehret and Barbara "Geck". I have 8 baptismal records for Joseph and Anna Maria's children. Once I'm logged into your site, do I just add these names - or do you have to do this yourself? Then I have a Francis Schaub, s/o Lazari Schaub and Anna Maria Ehert that married 7 November 1746 in Niederschopfheim to Anna Maria "Ehret", d/o Martin Ehert and Anna Maria ??? (have to recheck record) with three children's baptismal records. This might match what you have for Anna Maria Ehret with parents, Martin Ehret and Anna Maria Bihrle. I'll look at Anna Maria's last name again and see if it could be the "female version" of Bihrle. Francis Schaub, father, was listed deceased on the 3rd child's record. You also have an Agatha Baumann, d/o Michael Baumann and Ursula Frantz who I have an Agatha Baumann, d/o Michael Baumann, #1 mg. to Andreas Ehert, s/o Sebastian, 16 Nov 1739, and #2 mg. to Francis (Franz Joseph?) Schaub, s/o Johann Georg Schaub and Elisabeth Mayer. I have four children for that family. There is more, but this is a start. If I'm able to submit this info myself when logged in, I'll do so. Carol

Jeanne, I do apologize for the delay, but I'm first now really looking through some of these connections that you pointed out in the e-mail below. I'm recognizing several common surnames we have in our ancestry. The one that surprised me when looking through your Greminger marriages is Henry Greminger married to Barbara Palmer, with Barbara's father from Ebersweier. Ebersweier is where my Ketterer, Churfurst/Kurfurst, Basler, Sauer lines were located. Barbara's paternal grandparents were Fidel Palmer mg. to Francisca Heitz. Francisca's parents were my direct ancestors. You might have found this already - Francisca's sister, Genevieve Heitz, married Martin Bahr in Ortenberg. Their daughter, Cecilia/Zaezilia, married Michael Jokerst in Ste. Genevieve County, New Offenburg area. Then you know that their daughter, Mathilda Jokerst mg. William Fritsch, my great grandparents. It is through William Fritsch that I have direct ancestral surnames of Litterst, Gegg, Woerter, Vetter, and Schaub - some common surnames to some you mentioned. That is my second Schaub line (vs. the one that runs off of my Windschlag Fischer line), that connects to the Niederschopfheim Schaubs. You mentioned Brischle, which is not a direct ancestor surname of mine. However, the Vincent Brischle who mg. Maria Magdalena Kurfurst in Weier connects to my Kurfurst, I believe. Magdalena, as she went by later, had paternal grandparents Franz Joseph Churfurst and Magdalena Jockerst who married in Windschlag. Franz Joseph was s/o Francis Churfurst and Magdalena Lausmann who can be found in Buhl marriage records. My Christian Churfurst/Curfurst who married 26 Jan 1728 in Ebersweier had father listed as Johann Churfurst from Hofweier and brother, Franz Churfurst from Ebersweier as a witness. There were no records found in Ebersweier on Franz, and only one Churfurst family recorded in Hofweier: Johann Churfurst married to Clara Himelspach (Oberkirch) Children: Franz Anton 7.1.1698 Maria Salomia 22.5.1701 Ambrosius 6.4.1704 Catherine 10.11.1706 I believe the Franz Anton might be the "Franz" that was married in Buhl to Maria Anna Carle from Weier in 1723. I'm now wondering if Maria Anna died and this same "Franz" was the Francis Churfurst who married Magdalena Lausmann who I found in Buhl marriage records in 1735. Perhaps Franz Anton went by his first name rather than the typical middle name as many did back then. I'm also wondering if my Christian Churfurst who married in Ebersweier was the same Ambrosius found in Hofweier. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the towns I've searched, I do not find many Churfurst/Kurfurst records at all around Offenburg. You pointed out John Krussel's site which I'm also quite familiar with, and in the multitude of surnames he has listed, there are no Kurfurst or Churfurst surnames. I've had to add a few people in my database to more clearly view some of the surname/families you listed as connecting to mine. Thanks for pointing those out! Carol -----Original Message----- From: deu-bad-ortenau-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:deu-bad-ortenau-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Jeanne M. Bornefeld Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 5:36 PM To: deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Gietle from Hofweier Thanks for the reply. Just looking at some of your names/families: Anna Maria Fritsch m Mathias Hurst. Mathias Hurst was the father of Mathias Hurst who m Anna Maria Basler, whose parents were Nicolaus Basler and Anna Maria May. Mathias and Helena were the parents of Helena Hurst who married Franz Mathaus Greminger. They were the parents of Henry Greminger who married Johanna Basler. John Greminger was the grandfather of my grandfather, Nicholas George Greminger. Many of my lines married into or married others who were related to the Geggs. Martin Worter married Maria Magdalena Damm and had a son , Martin. Martin married Maria Anna Schaub and had: Anna Maria, Francisca, Helena, Michael, Joannes George, Elisabeth, Joannes Baptist. I work from the original records. It is alweays possible that a child may be missing, or that I failed to see them. I descend from Anna Maria who married Jacob Rubi. He was a son of Martin Rubi and Anna Maria Stellwog. Theresia Rubi, d/o Jacob and Anna Maria married Andrea Isenmann. Andrea Isenmann was a son of Martin Isenmann who was a s/o of Jacon Isenmann. Martin married Anna Maria Stutz who was a d/o Joannes Michael Stutz and Anna Barbara Worter. Andrea Isenmann and Therersia Rubi had John Baptist Isenmann, who married Mary Ann Littenecker. They had Joseph Eisenmann who was the father of my grandfather's grandfather's wife, Mary Ann Eisenmann. The Eisenmann's, Gegg's, Brischle's, Gremmingers, Litterst's, Jokerst's, etc...many of these people are either directly related or distantly related, or in some cases, closely related. John Krussel has done a wonderful job with his research. I think I remember the only thing we are not in the same mind about is my grandfather's mother, Mary Ann Eisenmann. I have the family records, pictures, letters, grandpa's stuff, that says she was Mary Ann. I don't know where the misstep was and haven't looked for it, or the reason for it. I knew relatives that knew her when they visited Evansville, Indiana, where grandpa and grandma lived. I have visited the relatives before they passed away in Windthorst, and haven't a clue where the mistake was made - or if there was a reason for the mistake to be made. It may have been a misstep by the person writing down the record. I do know that Mary Ann's brother, Frank, did not marry but went with his sister, Mary Ann, and helped her out with the kids. I have a picture of them together in Texas. It seems her husband was something of a philanderer. I hope lightening does not strike me for that one. I was fortunate to have had this interest from the time I could walk because I have described my Uncle Anton, grandma's mother's brother when I saw him at a family gathering, with music on the steps of a porch, in the country, when I was under two years old - he died when I was two years of age. My mother was stunned that I remembered that particular gathering because she had almost forgotten it. I repeatedly questioned the relationships of various relatives and started writing down things when I was a grade schooler. I interviewed the grandchildren of the immigrants of my grandmother's family when I was in my teens. Go figure. I am thankful that I had this curiosity. Jeanne Bornefeld

Hallo Wendelin, das mit der neuen Seite zu Hohberg interessiert mich sehr, zumal aus Niederschopfheim einige meiner Vorfahren (RAPP, SEIDEL) stammen. Leider wird aber ein Passwort verlangt. Wie kann ich ein solches anfordern? Schöne Grüße aus München Jürgen -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:36:03 +0100 > Von: Wendelin Irslinger <genealogy@babbalu.com> > An: "deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com" <deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com> > Betreff: [Ortenau] My genealogical website > Hello, > > I wanted to upload the data of my genealogicial research but I was > uncertain how should I name the page. Finally I decided to create a page > for the community Hohberg which include Diersburg, Hofweier, > Niederschopfheim. I have ancestors from all 3 towns and I invite other > researchers in these towns. > > My data includes not only my ancestors but also, at least for the town > Niederschopfheim, many others. > > I just started the page so it has only 1 link which works until now: > "Stammbaum (Family tree)": > http://hohberg.genealogy-bw.de > > Additional suggestions for the page are always welcome. And maybe > someone has additional data. > > - Wendelin > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message -- "Feel free" - 5 GB Mailbox, 50 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX ProMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/promail

Hi Greg, if I remember correctly we have the same Hug and Brun ancestors, maybe some more. There should be link "Request new user account" on which you must click. I don't want that search engines are the visitors of my database so I ask for a registration. Please let me know if you have still problems to sign in. - Wendelin On Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:32:11 +0000 Greg Hilton <grhilton@msn.com> wrote: > > Wendelin, > > I uploaded the website wanting to see your information on > Niederschopfheim where I, too, am researching. > How do we acquire a password or am I missing something on your page? > > Thank you, > > Greg Hilton

Wendelin, Yes, and Geppert too if memory serves me right. I still don't see the line "request new user account" on the page. Where on the page can it be located? Greg Hilton> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:42:02 +0100> From: genealogy@axxess.co.za> To: deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [Ortenau] My genealogical website> > Hi Greg,> > if I remember correctly we have the same Hug and Brun ancestors, maybe> some more.> > There should be link "Request new user account" on which you must> click.> > I don't want that search engines are the visitors of my database so I> ask for a registration.> > Please let me know if you have still problems to sign in.> > - Wendelin> > On Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:32:11 +0000> Greg Hilton <grhilton@msn.com> wrote:> > > > > Wendelin,> > > > I uploaded the website wanting to see your information on> > Niederschopfheim where I, too, am researching. > > How do we acquire a password or am I missing something on your page?> > > > Thank you,> > > > Greg Hilton> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Get 5 GB of storage with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_5gb_112008

Wendelin, I uploaded the website wanting to see your information on Niederschopfheim where I, too, am researching. How do we acquire a password or am I missing something on your page? Thank you, Greg Hilton> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:36:03 +0100> From: genealogy@babbalu.com> To: deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com> Subject: [Ortenau] My genealogical website> > Hello,> > I wanted to upload the data of my genealogicial research but I was> uncertain how should I name the page. Finally I decided to create a page> for the community Hohberg which include Diersburg, Hofweier,> Niederschopfheim. I have ancestors from all 3 towns and I invite other> researchers in these towns.> > My data includes not only my ancestors but also, at least for the town> Niederschopfheim, many others.> > I just started the page so it has only 1 link which works until now:> "Stammbaum (Family tree)":> http://hohberg.genealogy-bw.de> > Additional suggestions for the page are always welcome. And maybe> someone has additional data.> > - Wendelin> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows® connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/

Wendelin, I'm also interested in those towns as you well know. However, like Greg, I'm not sure about "request new user account" either. I tried pressing "Stammbaum (Family tree)" which took me to your "PhpGedView" page. There is a "request new user account" on that page, but is that the correct place to sign up for an account - and then a password that can be used to view your page? Carol -----Original Message----- From: deu-bad-ortenau-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:deu-bad-ortenau-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Greg Hilton Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:23 PM To: deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Ortenau] My genealogical website Wendelin, Yes, and Geppert too if memory serves me right. I still don't see the line "request new user account" on the page. Where on the page can it be located? Greg Hilton> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:42:02 +0100> From: genealogy@axxess.co.za> To: deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [Ortenau] My genealogical website> > Hi Greg,> > if I remember correctly we have the same Hug and Brun ancestors, maybe> some more.> > There should be link "Request new user account" on which you must> click.> > I don't want that search engines are the visitors of my database so I> ask for a registration.> > Please let me know if you have still problems to sign in.> > - Wendelin> > On Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:32:11 +0000> Greg Hilton <grhilton@msn.com> wrote:> > > > > Wendelin,> > > > I uploaded the website wanting to see your information on> > Niederschopfheim where I, too, am researching. > > How do we acquire a password or am I missing something on your page?> > > > Thank you,> > > > Greg Hilton> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' wi! thout the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Get 5 GB of storage with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_5gb_112 008 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hallo Hansjörg, Joe Spitzmiller's webpage? Yes, I was in contact with him. Viktor Spitzmüller and Martha Feißt are my great great grandparents. And the parents of Martha, her brother and 2 of her aunts (with their husbands and children) emigrated to America, all to Ste Genevieve County. - Wendelin On Sun, 9 Nov 2008 22:00:11 +0100 Hansjörg Streif <h.streif@web.de> wrote: > Hello, > if you are interested to know more about the husband and the > decendants of Martha Feißt search under google - deuspitz - Viktor > Spitzmüller (borne 18 July 1821). > You will find a great many of relatives > Hansjörg

Hello, if you are interested to know more about the husband and the decendants of Martha Feißt search under google - deuspitz - Viktor Spitzmüller (borne 18 July 1821). You will find a great many of relatives Hansjörg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendelin Irslinger" <genealogy@axxess.co.za> To: <deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Feißt from Diersburg Hello, because I make some updates before I publish my genealogical information on a special webspage I searched again for Mathias Stutz and found him at: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=:2394807 Perhaps we have a member who knows Nancy Smith. Seems Mathias Stutz settled also in the Ste Genevieve County. The daughter Barbara married Andrew Hogenmiller. - Wendelin On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 14:44:17 +0200 "Wendelin Irslinger" wrote: > Hello John (Samson), > > just realized that we have the same Feißt ancestors from Diersburg. > > I read in the newspaper that your ancestors were Karl Samson and > Josephine Feist (from Diersburg). > > My Feißt ancestor was Michael (his daughter Martha married Viktor > Spitzmüller), brother of Josephine. Another sister Magdalena > emigrated also to America in 1852 with husband Mathias Stutz and > children from Hofweier. I am wondering if Josephine and Magdalena > (and their families) emigrated together. > > Wendelin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, because I make some updates before I publish my genealogical information on a special webspage I searched again for Mathias Stutz and found him at: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=:2394807 Perhaps we have a member who knows Nancy Smith. Seems Mathias Stutz settled also in the Ste Genevieve County. The daughter Barbara married Andrew Hogenmiller. - Wendelin On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 14:44:17 +0200 "Wendelin Irslinger" wrote: > Hello John (Samson), > > just realized that we have the same Feißt ancestors from Diersburg. > > I read in the newspaper that your ancestors were Karl Samson and > Josephine Feist (from Diersburg). > > My Feißt ancestor was Michael (his daughter Martha married Viktor > Spitzmüller), brother of Josephine. Another sister Magdalena > emigrated also to America in 1852 with husband Mathias Stutz and > children from Hofweier. I am wondering if Josephine and Magdalena > (and their families) emigrated together. > > Wendelin

Hans, > I've found the memberpages site, but can you help me find the list > of Bohemians? Click on "Sources", scroll down to the section "Other towns" and click on "Rastatt - Familiennamen (surnames)" On the Rastatt page scroll down to the line "Es erscheinen damals folgende Namen böhmischer Herkunft:" - Wendelin

Hans, Exact spelling of surnames really never mattered. Many of our ancestors could not spell. An "X", as more of a plus sign, was often more common in a Marrige register than an actual signature. Finding a signed entry within the Catholic register was certainly a wonderful find as it meant the ancestor had raised him at least to the point where he had tha ability to sign his name. Finding the wife's signature was even more exhilarating. An ancestor had a surname which his family knew but for spelling perhaps each new Priest had a variation based upon his individual pronounciation. For your Gerwitz name, while I did little in trailing it back, my earliest Simon who married Maria Theresia Haas is spelled Goerrwitz within my database. Certainly this could mean that the name Görrwitz/Görwitz might also have been used in Church records. (Goerrwitz also could mean I misread the filmed Church register.) In my own Sauer ancestry, the surnames Sur, Saur and Sauer were used in part by usuage in time but Sur and Saur as well as Saur and Sauer did each parallel the other in some years. I had not had access to any great number of the currently printed Familienbücher but from those I had used for research, it would appear as though the compiler used the current spelling of the name to keep a continuity within his own records (and your records). ---------- We might be able to compare surnames within our ancestry with Colonial American surnames where the value of spelling was of such little value that often brothers within a family each used slightly differently spelled surnames. djweber djwdjw@ix.netcom.com

Rose, I'm very glad to hear that you and Ellen corroborated! Do you know why her records have many spellings of Gerwitz (Görrwitz, Gehrwitz) but the Önsbach Familienbuck uses only Gerwitz? My database started with that of Debbi Girth, who's largest source was Ellen. I have left a lot of Onsbach families in it hoping to attract other researchers… I think I even have your name. Where in Alberta are you? Seattle is not too far away. Anyone who wants to know more about the living members of my line is can either create an account at http://www.gerwitz.com/genealogy/ (living individuals are hidden unless you log in) or ask me directly. Here's an overview: My Gerwitz immigrant is Simon (b. 1842 to Raimund and Theresa Weber) who arrived in St. Louis, Missouri in 1867. Simon married Elizabeth Reck just before emigrating. (I have Elizabeth's parents Joseph and Francisca Schoenen but no farther.) Simon and Elizabeth had 8 children in St. Louis: http://www.gerwitz.com/genealogy/family.php?famid=F2889 The 4th was William Anthony b. 19 Aug 1875 d. 6 Dec 1948. William married Clara Deitermann in 1903. (Clara's parents, Bernard and Catherine Buehrmann, are also German immigrants that I have no details for.) William and Clara had 8 children: http://www.gerwitz.com/genealogy/family.php?famid=F2891 The 4th was Francis Anthony b. 18 Nov 1909 d. 7 Jul 1961. Francis married Mary Virginia Kuhlman 22 Feb 1936. (I have a good bit of information for M. Virginia from Perry County, Missouri.) Francis and M. Virginia had 5 children: http://www.gerwitz.com/genealogy/family.php?famid=F4608 The 3rd was John Francis b. 25 Nov 1943 d. 11 Jul 2005. John married Catherine Rasch 26 Nov 1947 (later divorced) John and Catherine had 2 children, I am the 1st. --- hans.gerwitz On 8 Nov 2008, at 8:20, Peter Goutbeck wrote: > Hans, > > Before the Oensbacher Familienbuch was published I was in contact with > Ellen Gerwitz. My oldest Jacob Weber is born in Oensbach and > therefore I > have many copies of the Catholic church books. All the Gerwitz > information at that time were from these copies, and I told her so. > The Oensbacher family book is very good and without hesitation I do > recommend it. > > Would be very interested to have your information from you to your > immigrant ancestor. A very valuable addition that I pass on to Eugen > Weber. > Rose Goutbeck nee Weber in sunny Alberta, Canada. All the Canadian > Geese have now gone south to a warmer climate. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hans, Before the Oensbacher Familienbuch was published I was in contact with Ellen Gerwitz. My oldest Jacob Weber is born in Oensbach and therefore I have many copies of the Catholic church books. All the Gerwitz information at that time were from these copies, and I told her so. The Oensbacher family book is very good and without hesitation I do recommend it. Would be very interested to have your information from you to your immigrant ancestor. A very valuable addition that I pass on to Eugen Weber. Rose Goutbeck nee Weber in sunny Alberta, Canada. All the Canadian Geese have now gone south to a warmer climate.