Hello, in the next weeks (and maybe months) I'll post information from an official gazette in Baden. It contains information about people in public services but also some others (like inhabitants of Gamshurst who went to jail). I do not translate it to English language but if you need a translation for a special entry, please ask. One interesting detail: Every county (Amt) had not only a physician but also at least one surgeon (Chirurg, Wundarzt) at the beginning of the 19th century. These surgeons had often an education as obstetritian, and some also as a veterinarian. The Baden surgeons who wanted an education as an obstetritian had to observe an practical course of least half an year in the maternity home in Heidelberg since 1816. Happy New Year, Wendelin

Dr. Schlecht was the official physician (Physikus) of the county (Amt) Ettenheim since 28 Dec 1814, before that date he was the administrator (Physikats-Verweser). - Wendelin On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 16:50:02 +0100 Wendelin Irslinger <genealogy@babbalu.com> wrote: > Hello Larry, > > Dr. Anselm Schlecht, a physician, lived in Ettenheim in 1805. > He could be the one from Renchen who attended the university in > Freiburg 1797/98. > > - Wendelin

Liebe Mitforscher, der Erbprinz Ludwig von Hessen-Darmstadt führte 1736 für zumindest einen Teil der Ortenau eine kirchliche Ordnung ein, die auch "Kinderlehre" beinhaltete. Mich würde interessieren, in welchem Alter die Teilnahme bis zur Abschaffung des Kirchenzuchtverfahrens 1786 Pflicht war. So könnte ich den genannten Delinquenten wenigstens in Etwa ein Geburtsjahr zuordnen. Für jede Hilfe schon jetzt herzlichen Dank gesegnete Weihnachten wünscht Thomas (Adam) P.S.: Sollte jemand Zugriff haben auf diese kirchliche Ordnung, bin ich für Informationen sehr dankbar.

I was doing some research and came across the following from the 21 April 1927 *New York Times*: KUNZELBACHER, PETER (March 31), Estate, more than $5,000 real and more than $1,000 personal. To niece, Emma Duebel of Germany; Madeline Parrkerter of 523 West 148th Street, Manhattan, and Annie Molick of 380 Central Avenue, Brooklyn: Mrs. James Cummings of 465 Fairview Avenue, Ridgewood, and Mrs. Persich, same address: Oensbach Roman Catholic Church of Baden, Germany; Amelia and Joseph Balzer of 1,872 Himrod Street, Brooklyn; Michael Piller of 1,930 Himrod Street, Ridgewood, Michael Piller and Joseph Balzer appointed executors. -- Michael Carl Budd Rotary Ambassadorial Scholar '08-'09 Peoria, Illinois, USA · Cairo, Egypt

Hello Larry, Dr. Anselm Schlecht, a physician, lived in Ettenheim in 1805. He could be the one from Renchen who attended the university in Freiburg 1797/98. - Wendelin

This message has NO exact connection to the Ortenau NO exact connection to any towns of the Ortenau and might have only an extremely slim potential to any connection to emigrants from the Ortenau. However, as I know of a few instances where Ortenau emigrants did settle in the Cincinnati, Ohio area, possibly the URL < http://directory.evendon.com > might have information for some of our List members. The individuals who maintain this site (and my information is from another List) have uploaded various City Directories to this location. Recently, they included Cincinnati, Ohio for 1872 and 1875 as well as Norwood, Ohio for five directory editions between 1896 and 1918 with the promise eventually to add the 1880 Cincinnati City Directory to their site. djweber djwdjw@ix.netcom.com

"The Week in Germany" is a weekly e-zine publication of Germany.info and the German Information Center, USA. The December 19 issue included a link to Gift Emporium which might offer a free Christmas gift of something German. If you wish to play around with the link, it is < http://www.germany.info/Vertretung/usa/en/09__Videos__Fun/03/00/__Emporium.html >. djweber djwdjw@ix.netcom.com

Ruth, go to this site and scroll most of the way down to the table of consanguinity. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04264a.htm Marriage between cousins, even 1st cousins was common in the old days and is still legal in many states in the USA. The main reason in Germany was keeping the farm. Another reason was that there wasn't many people to choose from. For example in the 'Odenwald' after the 30 years war, there was less than 20% of the population left to rebuild the area. This caused many families to intermarry, and it is hard to find two families not related in some way. Some of my lines intermarried for over 300 years. Darrel -----Original Message----- From: deu-bad-ortenau-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:deu-bad-ortenau-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of djweber Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 7:46 PM To: deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com Cc: nrhundley@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [Ortenau] definition of relationship Ruth, This may be the specific Priest and his method of indicating that a dispensation was required for the marriage. Until 1917 the Catholic Church required dispensation if the parties of the marriage were "related to the fourth degree of ". In 1917, this dropped to the third degree and in 1983 to the second degree, first cousins. Considering the geographic location, or perhaps the identification should be, geographic isolation of many of the towns of the Black Forest and Baden area, logically dispensations may have been a common action. I have a friend who for years has teased his wife who was born in a town in West Virginia that the town's fifty-page telephone book included only three family names. Certainly this is an exaggeration of truth but eventually in the downward generations of a family, cousins, of various degree, may marry. The more isolated the town may be by hills, forest and rivers, such marriages may be increased in percentage of the total marriages. Procedures may vary but normally the dispensation would be filed separately from the marriage Rite listing. In some instances the need for a dispensation was identified within that Rite listing by the specific Priest. Perhaps your Priest of Waldulm made such an identification with the marginal entry. Perhaps during the tenure of that particular Priest, it was a common entry at Waldum. Earlier this year Dick Eastman in an article on second cousins tried his hand at combining details into a relationship chart. The URL sould be < http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2008/02/what-is-second.html > and while it would not be specific to your instance, it might be helpful. There are a number of other relationship charts online but I might believe that the entry you found was merely for the indication of the needed dispensation. djweber djwdjw@ix.netcom.com ---------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth Hundley" <nrhundley@sbcglobal.net> To: <deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 5:06 PM Subject: [Ortenau] definition of relationship > Hello, > I am looking for a relationship noted in the mar. banns for my great > grandparents: > > double blood relationship in the thrird degree > > What does this mean other than they were 3rd cousins??? I think or double > cousis. > > They were both from the town of Waldulm, Baden, Germany and it was a very > small village to which I think everyone married into the same family many > times and I am altumultly related to everyone!!! > > Any help would be greatly appreciated in definitions. > > Thanks, > > Ruth in IL, USA > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Ruth, I assume it means they had same 2 ancestors, maybe the same great grandparents which means the equal third degree. If the same ancestor were for one the great grandparent and for the other one the grandparent it's the unequal third degree. Or perhaps even 4 ancestors? - Wendelin On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:06:04 -0600 "Ruth Hundley" <nrhundley@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Hello, > I am looking for a relationship noted in the mar. banns for my great > grandparents: > > double blood relationship in the thrird degree > > What does this mean other than they were 3rd cousins??? I think or > double cousis. > > They were both from the town of Waldulm, Baden, Germany and it was a > very small village to which I think everyone married into the same > family many times and I am altumultly related to everyone!!! > > Any help would be greatly appreciated in definitions. > > Thanks, > > Ruth in IL, USA

Ruth, This may be the specific Priest and his method of indicating that a dispensation was required for the marriage. Until 1917 the Catholic Church required dispensation if the parties of the marriage were "related to the fourth degree of consanquinity". In 1917, this dropped to the third degree and in 1983 to the second degree, first cousins. Considering the geographic location, or perhaps the identification should be, geographic isolation of many of the towns of the Black Forest and Baden area, logically dispensations may have been a common action. I have a friend who for years has teased his wife who was born in a town in West Virginia that the town's fifty-page telephone book included only three family names. Certainly this is an exaggeration of truth but eventually in the downward generations of a family, cousins, of various degree, may marry. The more isolated the town may be by hills, forest and rivers, such marriages may be increased in percentage of the total marriages. Procedures may vary but normally the dispensation would be filed separately from the marriage Rite listing. In some instances the need for a dispensation was identified within that Rite listing by the specific Priest. Perhaps your Priest of Waldulm made such an identification with the marginal entry. Perhaps during the tenure of that particular Priest, it was a common entry at Waldum. Earlier this year Dick Eastman in an article on second cousins tried his hand at combining details into a relationship chart. The URL sould be < http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2008/02/what-is-second.html > and while it would not be specific to your instance, it might be helpful. There are a number of other relationship charts online but I might believe that the entry you found was merely for the indication of the needed dispensation. djweber djwdjw@ix.netcom.com ---------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth Hundley" <nrhundley@sbcglobal.net> To: <deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 5:06 PM Subject: [Ortenau] definition of relationship > Hello, > I am looking for a relationship noted in the mar. banns for my great > grandparents: > > double blood relationship in the thrird degree > > What does this mean other than they were 3rd cousins??? I think or double > cousis. > > They were both from the town of Waldulm, Baden, Germany and it was a very > small village to which I think everyone married into the same family many > times and I am altumultly related to everyone!!! > > Any help would be greatly appreciated in definitions. > > Thanks, > > Ruth in IL, USA >

Ruth, Happy holidays to you and yours. I too live in IL -- Addison in DuPage County. I too have a connection in Walduln. My NOCK line begins there. Thought I'd run this line by you since you feel everyone is probably related to everyone else. I'm guessing he married both wives in Kappelrodeck. Joesph NOCK is the only ancestor I've found so far in Walduln. Beverly Mack Zanon 1. Joseph1 Nock was born 12 Apr 1705 in Walduln, Germany, and died 24 Jun 1762 in Kappelrodeck, Baden, Germany. He married (1) Magadelana Siffermann. She was born 1724, and died 1756. He married (2) Anna Marie Baudendistel. She was born 15 Nov 1756 in Kappelrodeck, Baden, Germany. Notes for Joseph Nock: Nock: alem. Short form for the old first name Nôtkêr, also after the name "Nock" for a roundish hill. (1845 George Nok, 1938 Michael Nock) Child of Joseph Nock and Magadelana Siffermann is: 2 i. Ignaz2 Nock, born 11 May 1743 in Kappelrodeck, Baden, Germany; died 28 Aug 1818. He married (1) Ephrosina Schaible 22 Nov 1762. He married (2) Regina Vogt 19 Sep 1791 in Kappelrodeck, Baden, Germany; died 18 Mar 1837 in Kappelrodeck, Baden, Germany. Notes for Ephrosina Schaible: SCHAIBLE is a 100 % Swabian Weurttemberg name In a message dated 12/17/2008 2:26:10 A.M. Central Standard Time, deu-bad-ortenau-request@rootsweb.com writes: They were both from the town of Waldulm, Baden, Germany and it was a very small village to which I think everyone married into the same family many times and I am altumultly related to everyone!!!

Hello, I am looking for a relationship noted in the mar. banns for my great grandparents: double blood relationship in the thrird degree What does this mean other than they were 3rd cousins??? I think or double cousis. They were both from the town of Waldulm, Baden, Germany and it was a very small village to which I think everyone married into the same family many times and I am altumultly related to everyone!!! Any help would be greatly appreciated in definitions. Thanks, Ruth in IL, USA

Thanks for this amazing address.

The current issue of "The Week In Germany" includes information on the German Federal Archives combining with Wikipedia. The background information is at < http://www.germany.info/Vertretung/usa/en/__PR/GIC/2008/12/09__Bundesarchiv__Wikipedia__S.html > where the first two paragraphs are: "Germany's Federal Archive will provide about 100,000 images from its collections to the online encyclopedia Wikipedia free of charge. "The Federal Archive, which maintains a collection of around 11 million images from German history, signed a cooperation agreement with the Wikimedia Foundation to put the pictures online in the Wikimedia Commons, an online repository of free images." djweber djwdjw@ix.netcom.com

I have the Lauf kinship book, Zink is part of my family line. Do you have anymore information than what you have given? There are a lot of Zinks. Linda olive-rose@cox.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Wendelin Irslinger To: deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com Cc: peterandrose@yahoo.ca Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Joseph Zink Hello Rose, the official emigration database has 3 Josef Zink who emigrated (or asked for permission in that year) in 1852, all from Lauf, one was 46 years old and son of Adam Zink, another one was born on 29 May 1863 (which is another error in the database, perhaps it's 1836) and son of Ignaz Zink, no additional data for the third. Maybe our mailinglist has still a member who owns the kinship book of Lauf and can look for these men. The database has also 3 Joseph/Josef Zink who emigrated in 1854 (or asked for permission in that year), one from Großweier who was born 14 Sep 1838, the second from Sasbachwalden (no year of birth, he was son of Andreas Zink), the third from Achern (35 years of age). The following emigration database has one Joseph Zink, age 18, who emigrated in 1853. http://www.dad-recherche.de/hmb/search_engl.asp?Nachname=zink&Vorname=joseph&Geschlecht=%25&Datum=&Datum2=&Datum3= I don't know if the original record shows the origin of this man. Maybe it's the same which you have found. - Wendelin On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:18:35 -0700 Peter Goutbeck <> wrote: > Looking for birthplace of Joseph Zink. Can anyone help? Would be > very grateful. > > What I know, Joseph Zink was born 16 March 1835, (gravestone info) > and died 14 oct 1921 in Pleasant Valley, JoDavies Co. Illinois. > Pleasant Valley is a township near Stockton, Illinois and near > Galena, Illinois. He married to Barbara Elfline/Elfien . Have not > found the day of marriage yet. They had five children . A son John > married into the Harter line originating from Oensbach. It is the > great grandfather of Romana Wehinger, nee Harter. > > In NY Passenger list 1820 - 1957 a Joseph Zink, landed in New York > 23 April 1853, 18 years old, on the ship "Orlando" Do not know if > this is the right person. > The age is right. > Rose Weber-Goutbeck ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If anyone on this Ortenau List currently has contact with Jeanne, would you please, off-list, send me her current e-mail address or ask her to contact me. djweber djwdjw@ix.netcom.com

Hello Rose, the official emigration database has 3 Josef Zink who emigrated (or asked for permission in that year) in 1852, all from Lauf, one was 46 years old and son of Adam Zink, another one was born on 29 May 1863 (which is another error in the database, perhaps it's 1836) and son of Ignaz Zink, no additional data for the third. Maybe our mailinglist has still a member who owns the kinship book of Lauf and can look for these men. The database has also 3 Joseph/Josef Zink who emigrated in 1854 (or asked for permission in that year), one from Großweier who was born 14 Sep 1838, the second from Sasbachwalden (no year of birth, he was son of Andreas Zink), the third from Achern (35 years of age). The following emigration database has one Joseph Zink, age 18, who emigrated in 1853. http://www.dad-recherche.de/hmb/search_engl.asp?Nachname=zink&Vorname=joseph&Geschlecht=%25&Datum=&Datum2=&Datum3= I don't know if the original record shows the origin of this man. Maybe it's the same which you have found. - Wendelin On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:18:35 -0700 Peter Goutbeck <> wrote: > Looking for birthplace of Joseph Zink. Can anyone help? Would be > very grateful. > > What I know, Joseph Zink was born 16 March 1835, (gravestone info) > and died 14 oct 1921 in Pleasant Valley, JoDavies Co. Illinois. > Pleasant Valley is a township near Stockton, Illinois and near > Galena, Illinois. He married to Barbara Elfline/Elfien . Have not > found the day of marriage yet. They had five children . A son John > married into the Harter line originating from Oensbach. It is the > great grandfather of Romana Wehinger, nee Harter. > > In NY Passenger list 1820 - 1957 a Joseph Zink, landed in New York > 23 April 1853, 18 years old, on the ship "Orlando" Do not know if > this is the right person. > The age is right. > Rose Weber-Goutbeck

Rose, On the Wuerttemberg, Germany Emigration Index is a Joseph Zink born 30 Dec 1834, born Obertalheim, applied Jan 1853, which might be connected to the ship record you found, but I don't believe this one is yours. I went back to your original request for more information. Did I miss something? Was 1853 the year listed on U.S. census as your Joseph Zink emigrating? Or did you just find a ship date with age that seemed to match your Joseph's birthdate? If I have the right Joseph Zink from info you gave, in 1910 and 1920 census Joseph was listed emigrating in 1846, then in 1900 was listed emigrating in 1844. I also noticed that there were other Zink's in JoDavies County, Illinois. In 1900 census, Benjamin and Joseph were also listed as emigrating in 1846. Taking the census back, found John Zink in 1850 census in JoDavies County, living with another family by a different name. The other Zinks in 1850 must have the names mispelled or living elsewhere; but in 1860, your Joseph was already married with no children (1900 census listed them married for 40yrs), so they probably married between 1859-1860. Then found in 1860 a Zink family in the same county: David 61, Agnes 57, John 26, Besell 18, Benjamin 15 (all these born in Baden), but then an 11 yr old born in Illinois (name mispelled, but possibly Louisa) - indicating this family emigrated between 1845-1849. My guess is that Joseph might have been listed with this family if he had not already married. So, with at least three of these people being listed as emigrating in 1846, that is the year you might search for ship records (give or take a year as you don't know if they left Germany or arrived in the U.S. that year). Now I believe they might have entered the U.S. through New Orleans and ship records got destroyed as I tried finding them without success. The reason why I say New Orleans is because I just found this, after a struggling search: 1850 Galena, "Jo Daviess", Illinois "SIENK" David - 52 - Germany Augusta - 45 - Germany [aka Agnes] John - 18 - Germany Mary - 13 - Germany Basil - 11 - Germany Bernard - 7 - Germany [aka Benjamin] Frank - 3 - Kentucky Louisa - 1 - Illinois Joseph - 15 - Germany Some names are a little different, and ages a little off, but I believe this was the same family. I'd suggest you do a search for churches in Galena or close by that were around in 1850, and of the religion you believe them to have practiced. Then see if you can find a baptismal record for Louisa born about 1849. It might indicate where the parents were from and even give a town. If not, try and find any of the marriage records. Follow the census for the towns they were in. If the towns were small, they might have obituaries that list the exact place they were from in Germany - which I'm presuming that is one of the reasons you wanted to find a ship record on Joseph. Carol -----Original Message----- From: deu-bad-ortenau-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:deu-bad-ortenau-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Wendelin Irslinger Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 2:37 PM To: deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com Cc: peterandrose@yahoo.ca Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Joseph Zink Hello Rose, the official emigration database has 3 Josef Zink who emigrated (or asked for permission in that year) in 1852, all from Lauf, one was 46 years old and son of Adam Zink, another one was born on 29 May 1863 (which is another error in the database, perhaps it's 1836) and son of Ignaz Zink, no additional data for the third. Maybe our mailinglist has still a member who owns the kinship book of Lauf and can look for these men. The database has also 3 Joseph/Josef Zink who emigrated in 1854 (or asked for permission in that year), one from Großweier who was born 14 Sep 1838, the second from Sasbachwalden (no year of birth, he was son of Andreas Zink), the third from Achern (35 years of age). The following emigration database has one Joseph Zink, age 18, who emigrated in 1853. http://www.dad-recherche.de/hmb/search_engl.asp?Nachname=zink&Vorname=joseph &Geschlecht=%25&Datum=&Datum2=&Datum3= I don't know if the original record shows the origin of this man. Maybe it's the same which you have found. - Wendelin On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:18:35 -0700 Peter Goutbeck <> wrote: > Looking for birthplace of Joseph Zink. Can anyone help? Would be > very grateful. > > What I know, Joseph Zink was born 16 March 1835, (gravestone info) > and died 14 oct 1921 in Pleasant Valley, JoDavies Co. Illinois. > Pleasant Valley is a township near Stockton, Illinois and near > Galena, Illinois. He married to Barbara Elfline/Elfien . Have not > found the day of marriage yet. They had five children . A son John > married into the Harter line originating from Oensbach. It is the > great grandfather of Romana Wehinger, nee Harter. > > In NY Passenger list 1820 - 1957 a Joseph Zink, landed in New York > 23 April 1853, 18 years old, on the ship "Orlando" Do not know if > this is the right person. > The age is right. > Rose Weber-Goutbeck ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hallo, heute wurde mir vom GLA mitgeteilt, dass die Faller-Bücher (Band 66/2793) ca. 210 Blätter umfassen, auf denen in chronologischer Reihenfolge die Gengenbacher Fall-Einnahmen zwischen etwa 1500 und 1600 aufgelistet sind. Der Ort Nordrach z.B. kommt also mehrfach verstreut vor. Gleiches gilt für die Namen der abgabepflichtigen Bauern, die auf den Erbpachthöfen des Klosters saßen. Man muss den Band also systematisch durchforsten, um Informationen über bestimmte Orte oder Familien zu erhalten. Ich beabsichtige im kommenden Frühjahr, mir Kopien der Nordrach und die Familie Spitzmüller betreffenden Blätter zu beschaffen und in modernes Deútsch zu übertragen. Wenn dies konkrete Formen annimmt und ich mehr zum Inhalt der Büchern mitteilen kann, lasse ich von mir hören. Wie man aus den Bittiger-Datenblättern ersehen kann, lebten neben den Spitzmüllers in Nordrach damals folgende weitere Familien: Lieber (Lieberer), Maurer, Halder, Schülin (Schilin), Lehmann, Legeler, Lang, Reiler (Rieler), Breyg, Bruder, Basler (Bäsler), Isenmann und Hauber. Lebensdaten zu einzelnen Person werden nicht genannt. Hansjörg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendelin Irslinger" <genealogy@babbalu.com> To: <deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Spitzmüller Hallo, die von mir erwähnten Faller-Bücher des Klosters Gengenbach enthalten die Namen derjenigen Personen nach deren Tod Abgaben (Fall, Leibfall, Hauptfall) zu bezahlen waren, entweder als Leibeigene des Klosters oder/und als Inhaber eines Leihegutes. Die Faller-Bücher sind im Generallandesarchiv Karlsruhe unter den Berainen eingeordnet: GLA 66/2793 Falls jemand Kopien davon anfertigten lässt, dann würde ich mich gerne bei der Übertragung in moderne Schrift beteiligen. - Wendelin On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:02:57 +0100 Hansjörg Streif <h.streif@web.de> wrote: > Hallo Spitzmüller-Freunde, > der verdienstvolle Joe Spitzmiller erwähnt mich freundlicher Weise > auf seiner Norspitz-Web-Seite, weil ich ihm einiges Material > zuliefern konnte, das die Linie der Nordracher Spitzmüller lückenlos > bis zu dem 1511 verstorbenen Caspar Spitzmüller zurückverfolgen > lässt. Eine schlüssige Verbindung mit den Oberschopfheimer > Spitzmüllern ist damit noch nicht geglückt. > Die Verlängerung des Stammbaumes von ca. 1670 bis 1511 gelang mit > Hilfe der von Emil Bittiger erstellten Datenblätter. Ihre Originale > sind in Privatbesitz in Nordrach; ich habe davon Kopien (jpg-files). > Als Quelle nennt Bittiger "colligenda" des Klosters von Gengenbach, > das im Nordrach-Tal Höfe in Erbpacht an mehrere Familien ( u.a. > Spitzmüller) verpachtet hat. Diese Urkunden müssen Informationen über > die Lebensdaten von Personen enthalten, z.T, auch Ortsangaben zur > Lage der Höfe sowie Hinweise über Abgaben, die an das Kloster zu > entrichten waren. Bislang ist es mir nicht gelungen, etwas über den > Verbleib dieser von Bittiger ausgewerteten Urkunden zu finden. Für > entsprechende Hinweise wäre ich dankbar. Was die Web-Seite von Joe > Spitzmiller angeht, sind noch einige kleiner Korrekturen zu erwarten. > Wir pflegen regelmäßigen Austausch miteinander. Sobald eine > abgestimmte "Endfassung" vorliegt, werde ich berichten. Soweit es mir > möglich ist, beantworte ich aber auch jetzt schon Fragen. Hansjörg ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Looking for birthplace of Joseph Zink. Can anyone help? Would be very grateful. What I know, Joseph Zink was born 16 March 1835, (gravestone info) and died 14 oct 1921 in Pleasant Valley, JoDavies Co. Illinois. Pleasant Valley is a township near Stockton, Illinois and near Galena, Illinois. He married to Barbara Elfline/Elfien . Have not found the day of marriage yet. They had five children . A son John married into the Harter line originating from Oensbach. It is the great grandfather of Romana Wehinger, nee Harter. In NY Passenger list 1820 - 1957 a Joseph Zink, landed in New York 23 April 1853, 18 years old, on the ship "Orlando" Do not know if this is the right person. The age is right. Rose Weber-Goutbeck