Hi, I included on the Member Page under "Sources" the emigrants of Nordrach. Some of poors (mainly of Nordrach-Kolonie or Nordrach-Fabrik) were sent to America in 1852. But there are also few former prisoners who were sent to America because "an eine Besserung dieser sittlich ganz verkommenen Menschen bei uns doch nicht mehr zu denken sei. Sie kann aber erwartet werden, wenn die Individuen in einem fremden Lande sehen, daß sie arbeiten müssen, wenn sie nicht gehängt werden wollen". Some people emigrated to Missouri (St Louis). I assume "St. Genevila" is Ste Genevieve? Wendelin

Hello Wendelin and Rose, thanks a lot for the quick info! Best wishes from Wuppertal Kurt.

Hello Kurt, maybe Rose can check "Kirchenbuecher von Baden" for the correct parish. Dantersbach (former community Schwaibach) is located near Gengenbach . Suntersbach must be Sondersbach (former community Reichenbach) also near Gengenbach. Perhaps Ingersbach means Wingerbach (and I know that Bermesbach was named Beringersbach in 1361). Mueserbach is also unkown for me: I can offer Mürrenbach (near Oberentersbach). My other idea is that the 'M' is a 'W' and the place Weisenbach (community Ohlsbach). BTW: our address is (without "request") [email protected] Wendelin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Prof. Dr. Kurt Erlemann" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 11:54 AM Subject: Dantersbach, Suntersbach, Ingersbach, Mueserbach > Hello, > > does anybody know if the villages Dantersbach, Suntersbach, Ingersbach, > Mueserbach are situated in the Ortenau area, and if yes, to which Kirchspiel > (parish) they belonged in the 17th thru 19th century? > > Best > > Kurt Erlemann > Wuppertal >

Hear Yea, Hear Yea, Dantersbach is abt 3 Km south-east of Gengenbach, Wingerbach is west and a bit south of Gengenbach, Sondersbach is abt 5 km east of Bohlsbach, all just small areas, not villages by itself. I found this places in a Fahradkarte - Bike routes in the Ortenau. Could not find the other places.. Rose Wendelin Irslinger wrote: > Hello Kurt, > > maybe Rose can check "Kirchenbuecher von Baden" for the correct parish. > > Dantersbach (former community Schwaibach) is located near Gengenbach . > Suntersbach must be Sondersbach (former community Reichenbach) also near > Gengenbach. > > Perhaps Ingersbach means Wingerbach (and I know that Bermesbach was named > Beringersbach in 1361). > Mueserbach is also unkown for me: I can offer Mürrenbach (near > Oberentersbach). My other idea is that the 'M' is a 'W' and the place > Weisenbach (community Ohlsbach). > > BTW: our address is (without "request") [email protected] > > Wendelin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Prof. Dr. Kurt Erlemann" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 11:54 AM > Subject: Dantersbach, Suntersbach, Ingersbach, Mueserbach > > > Hello, > > > > does anybody know if the villages Dantersbach, Suntersbach, Ingersbach, > > Mueserbach are situated in the Ortenau area, and if yes, to which Kirchspiel > > (parish) they belonged in the 17th thru 19th century? > > > > Best > > > > Kurt Erlemann > > Wuppertal > > > > ==== DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Mailing List ==== > < http://www.stadtplandienst.de/ > offers detailed on-line maps of the town of your ancestor. From the map of Offenburg, by moving and resizing, the streets of your ancestor's home town can be found. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Kirchenbuecher in Baden, Gengenbach; k. Pf S.alt (K1-Pf bis 1807) 1531-49 luth. Fil Reichenbach, Schwaibach, Bermersheim, frueher auch Ohlsbach. KB 1587 T, 1625 E. 1614 To. ( lueckenhaft) e. Pf. ss. 1912, vorher z. Offenburg, bis 1858 z. Diersburg. KB 1866. NO Schwaibach, Strobach, Ohlsbach. Reichenbach, Haslach bis 1925, Zell Lit: M. Kuner, Die Verf. u. Verw. d. Reichest. G. Ortenau 1923./ KWagner, Die Bevoelkerrungsbewegung des Kirchenspiels G. im 17. u. 18. Jh, Freiburger Diss 1921. / E. Schell, Zur Gesch. d. Abtei G, ZGO 1932. - J.L. Wohleb, Gengenb. BH 1951 Archivalien d. Stadt G. Mitt BHC 1885 ( Kontrakttenprotokolle 1570 bis 1812. A. Ebbecke, Ein Bild aus d e Diaspora ( Gengenbach, Zell, Haslach) Karlsruhe 1891: s. auch ZGO 1879/80 u. 1883. Ortenau 1940 u. 41. Bermersbach (Gengenbach) K Fil von Gengenbach Wingersbach Zk z Gem. Bermersbach z. Pf Gengenbach u. Pf Berghaupten. No parish of Ohlsbach listed Offenburg: K.Pf; s alt mit zahlreichen Fil. KB 1808 T, 1610 To, 1627 E ( o. L.), Elgersweier, Waltersweier, Weingarten,Ortenberg, Zell, Fessenbach, Weierbach,Rammersweier, Bohlsbach bis zu deren Abtrennung170. Tadelloses register! Im 17. Jh ein Liber Militum, Peregrinorum, Externorum, meist "schwedische", franzoes, weimarer, Kroatische Soldaten, die aber Groestenteils aus der Ortenauer Nachbarschaft stammen. names of other places mentioned not listed in K. i. B. Rose Wendelin Irslinger wrote: > Hello Kurt, > > maybe Rose can check "Kirchenbuecher von Baden" for the correct parish. > > Dantersbach (former community Schwaibach) is located near Gengenbach . > Suntersbach must be Sondersbach (former community Reichenbach) also near > Gengenbach. > > Perhaps Ingersbach means Wingerbach (and I know that Bermesbach was named > Beringersbach in 1361). > Mueserbach is also unkown for me: I can offer Mürrenbach (near > Oberentersbach). My other idea is that the 'M' is a 'W' and the place > Weisenbach (community Ohlsbach). > > BTW: our address is (without "request") [email protected] > > Wendelin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Prof. Dr. Kurt Erlemann" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 11:54 AM > Subject: Dantersbach, Suntersbach, Ingersbach, Mueserbach > > > Hello, > > > > does anybody know if the villages Dantersbach, Suntersbach, Ingersbach, > > Mueserbach are situated in the Ortenau area, and if yes, to which Kirchspiel > > (parish) they belonged in the 17th thru 19th century? > > > > Best > > > > Kurt Erlemann > > Wuppertal > > > > ==== DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Mailing List ==== > < http://www.stadtplandienst.de/ > offers detailed on-line maps of the town of your ancestor. From the map of Offenburg, by moving and resizing, the streets of your ancestor's home town can be found. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Maurine, > Wendelin you sent the website for Prinzbach Emigration. Is Prinzbach or > Schönberg in the Ortenau area? both towns. > > Another question - the pronouncement of Spähnle here in America has always > been "Span lee". It has been suggested the surname is pronounced "Spain > la". Does anyone know for sure?? Germans (at least in southern Germany) say "Shpaenle" (sh like sh in shoe) resp. "Schpänle". Is this understandable? Wendelin

Hey thanks Ernie...great advice...i can sure use that. Beth -------Original Message------- From: [email protected] Date: 10/17/04 20:54:25 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Armbruster Surname Beth, I caught your statement that you don't read German. If you go to http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr you can copy sentences in German and past them into this web site. Set translation to German to English click translate and bingo you can see what it says. It works great if you have this site open in another window. Ernie Otte ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth Maxwell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Armbruster Surname > Maurine, > > That's great...but i can't read German at all. Is there anything about > David in it? > > -------Original Message------- > > From: [email protected] > Date: 10/17/04 16:21:48 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Ortenau] Armbruster Surname > > I was just looking at Prof. Dr. Franz Stetter's email sent 8/28/2004. In > his list of surnames is the name Armbruster. His website is: > http://stetter.uni-mannheim.de/stamm/stammportal.htm > > Maurine > > > > ==== DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Mailing List ==== > < http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/DEU-BAD-ORTENAU.html > > offers all information on the Ortenau List; how to Subscribe, how to > Unsubscribe, how to Browse and Search in the Ortenau List Archives. > > ============================== > You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from > http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/ > > > > ==== DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Mailing List ==== > List your surnames at the Ortenau Search web site > < http://ortenau.50free.org/search/ >. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > ==== DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Mailing List ==== Small maps of the Towns within the Ortenau can be found at < http://www.ortenaukreis.city-map.de/city/db/162908000000.html >. ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Beth, I caught your statement that you don't read German. If you go to http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr you can copy sentences in German and past them into this web site. Set translation to German to English click translate and bingo you can see what it says. It works great if you have this site open in another window. Ernie Otte ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth Maxwell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Armbruster Surname > Maurine, > > That's great...but i can't read German at all. Is there anything about > David in it? > > -------Original Message------- > > From: [email protected] > Date: 10/17/04 16:21:48 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Ortenau] Armbruster Surname > > I was just looking at Prof. Dr. Franz Stetter's email sent 8/28/2004. In > his list of surnames is the name Armbruster. His website is: > http://stetter.uni-mannheim.de/stamm/stammportal.htm > > Maurine > > > > ==== DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Mailing List ==== > < http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/DEU-BAD-ORTENAU.html > > offers all information on the Ortenau List; how to Subscribe, how to > Unsubscribe, how to Browse and Search in the Ortenau List Archives. > > ============================== > You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from > http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/ > > > > ==== DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Mailing List ==== > List your surnames at the Ortenau Search web site > < http://ortenau.50free.org/search/ >. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Maurine, That's great...but i can't read German at all. Is there anything about David in it? -------Original Message------- From: [email protected] Date: 10/17/04 16:21:48 To: [email protected] Subject: [Ortenau] Armbruster Surname I was just looking at Prof. Dr. Franz Stetter's email sent 8/28/2004. In his list of surnames is the name Armbruster. His website is: http://stetter.uni-mannheim.de/stamm/stammportal.htm Maurine ==== DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Mailing List ==== < http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/DEU-BAD-ORTENAU.html > offers all information on the Ortenau List; how to Subscribe, how to Unsubscribe, how to Browse and Search in the Ortenau List Archives. ============================== You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/

Carol, Thank you for the vote of confidence. I'm one of those who won't give up. I'm hard headed. I don't know anything of the church they went to. I was raised Catholic. Strict! As far back as my mom can remember all of the Armbrusters were. That is what i was going by. I found David in listed under David Armbarister in the LDS site.....below with that info with all the family listed as in the household exept for Mary...she wasn't born yet and their ages were a little younger. I just haven't found anything on the church records yet. I have posted on sites in the other area's her in Ohio. ..i just haven't had any bites yet. I'm still waiting. I'm planning on making a few trips to those area's soon. I'm hoping to go to their libraries, churches, courthouse, anywhere i can to find info. I didn't know it would be this difficult. I know that their children didn't go far. They stayed in Jackson township and Decatur township...i have all that...some went to Guernsey County. But nothing on David and Mary Ann. It's like they just vanished. But i'll find them. And thank you for your advice. I'm going to keep searching until i find something. And your right....they might have went west and gone to Indiana or just about anywhere. Thanks for the help. Beth ID: I08528 Name: David ARMBRUSTER Sex: M Birth: ABT. 1822 in Germany Census: 1880 Age 58 - DecaturTownship, Lawrence County, Ohio Occupation: 1880 Stone Cutter Reference Number: 8528 Note: In the 1880 census his name is listed as David ARMBARISTER. Father: ? ARMBRUSTER b: in Germany Mother: ? ?? b: in Baden, Germany Marriage 1 Mary Ann GEHRING b: ABT. 1847 in Germany Children William Henry ARMBRUSTER b: 23 JUL 1866 in Ironton, Ohio Anna ARMBRUSTER b: ABT. 1869 in Ohio Joseph ARMBRUSTER b: APR 1871 in Ohio Edward ARMBRUSTER b: MAY 1873 in Ohio Frederick ARMBRUSTER b: AUG 1876 in Ohio Charles H ARMBRUSTER b: 4 APR 1878 in Lawrence County, Ohio Mary Elizabeth Lizzie ARMBRUSTER b: 23 SEP 1881 in Lawrence County, Ohio -------Original Message------- From: [email protected] Date: 10/17/04 13:34:42 To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [Ortenau] Re: Baden-Germany-Armbruster's Beth, Why not sign up for a List in Ohio? That's closer to "home" and you may find more people searching that area and have more suggestions. Go to http://www.rootsweb.com/ and press on "Roots-L Mailing List" under "Mailing Lists". Then press on Ohio. You can then do a search for Armbruster and get some addresses of others looking for that surname from there. Searching that site, I was led to this page: http://w3.gwis.com/~nnuss/cem/cemlist.html that listed all the burials in Lawrence County and Armbruster was not listed, which makes me wonder if that was just a "passing through" location. This is another site for Lawrence County: http://www.lawrencecountyohio.com/ I found this address in "The Handybook for Genealogists, United States of America". It is fairly new, so the addresses should be current. Maybe writing to them for information may help. Lawrence County Chapter, OGS (?Ohio Genealogical Society) PO Box 945 Ironton, Ohio 45638-0955 Also, Beth, when you said you checked out church records, what do you mean? Like just looking for your own personal records hidden in an old bible? Depending on the denomination you belong to, many religions keep very good records on people. Go to the most recent church you know that line of relatives belonged to. Either write to that church for information on those ancestors, specifically asking for where they came from prior to that and information such as parents, siblings, etc. Then if fortunate to get another church or town they were from, then write to that church. If a town, look up on the internet for a church there. When you get to the original church they were at after immigrating, usually that church's records will tell the country, and even the town they were from. If writing the churches does not help, try going to www.familysearch.org and seeing if you can locate a film on those churches. Someone at your local FHC (Family History Center) might be able to help you on that. Another thought is that sometimes people came over in groups, such as the large German groups that moved from around Offenburg, Germany, to or around the Ste. Genevieve, MO, area. Some from those groups stopped "temporarily", or even some stayed permanently in Ohio or Indiana. Their relatives might have moved on, though, to Missouri. Sometimes knowing or seeing those connections help. Your ancestors might not have been researches, but their's might have. Finding their origins sometimes leads to where your ancestors came from. So DJ's suggestion to learn the area they were at in 1880 is a good one. I know there are many Armbruster's in Appenweier, Baden and I know some of those are listed as emigrating to America. Some of those might be the ones that settled in southern Missouri, but without knowing more details, it is like searching for a needle in a haystack! So Good Luck, and don't give up. Your hard work will pay off some day! Carol -----Original Message----- From: djweber [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 11:20 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Re: Baden-Germany-Armbruster's Wendelin, I am far out of the Ortenau on this one. Should I suggest to Beth that she and I continue this thread off-List as we would be working on US searches? Beth, Temporarily we are out of the Ortenau and into Ohio. Based on Norma's census information which you state is the sole information you have found, so far, you are in Ohio, Lawrence County, Decatur Township in 1880. I don't know where you now reside (the general area might be of value in suggesting some library sources to you; from your e-mail adress, maybe Columbus, still in Ohio?) but if you know know that area of Lawrence County, you know you are just about in the Wayne National Forest and there are very few towns and very few pieces of flat areas for a home. First thought for that area is whether you have attempted to search for Land Records in the township in the name of Armbruster or Armbarister or anything similar. I would imagine that Ironton is the county seat (but that is a guess) however other than Buckhorn I can think of no town in Decatur Township (there must be a few other towns). Did David purchase any land in Lawrence County and what information about him is within the transfer of title? Did he sell the land and move west so that there would be a second transfer of title? Next thought. From your census information and I hope you have seen the actual written page and not a transcription, David was born in Germany, with his father born in Germany and his mother born in Baden and Mary (who you think might be Maria or Maria Anna) was born in Germany with her father born in Germany and her mother born in Germany. With the age difference between David and Mary, my wonder was if they married in Europe or married in the United States. The difference in birth location identifications and the surname spelling in the census could indicate the lack of ability of the census taker or that David and Mary were from different Germanic areas, even different German countries and did arrive separately in the United States. I would certainly stress the Baden Emigration Index in your search for David. The original URL I suggested to explain the BEI was < http://home.att.net/~wee-monster/baden.html >; I really prefer < http://www.websters.net/blackforest/didyouknow.html > but that site seems to be down too often. However, if it is working, also look at its home, its lead page < http://www.websters.net/blackforest/ >. Also, follow each child; find their marriage, find their death record and find any newspaper indication of their death. As I mentioned newspapers of the early 1900s were very gossipy in printing family details in a death article. I rarely suggest that anyone use the LDS IGI information because of the many, many errors which have been placed into it. But, it can be a lead! Also, if any church records have been transcribed for the IGI, with the exception of misspelled surnames which often do appear as handwriting is difficult to read, those excerpts might be leads for you. So try it but don't put too much faith in it.....they have my mother listed as being born about 4,000 miles away from where she was born. In my own Ortenau search I have found errors by up to thirty years for births and deaths in the IGI and Pedigree LDS information. A LEAD, only. Find 1900 census records for all the children. Find death records of the children. Again, if you give me a rough idea of your current location, I might be able to offer some idea as to local sources. djweber [email protected] ==== DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Mailing List ==== If you are new to this Ortenau List, please check the Archives to see if any messages have been posted about your surname or your town. < http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/DEU-BAD-ORTENAU.html >. ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

I was just looking at Prof. Dr. Franz Stetter's email sent 8/28/2004. In his list of surnames is the name Armbruster. His website is: http://stetter.uni-mannheim.de/stamm/stammportal.htm Maurine

Good Day, Have been away from the PC for a couple of days so I am late sending a thank you to Wendelin - thank you! Wendelin you sent the website for Prinzbach Emigration. Is Prinzbach or Schönberg in the Ortenau area? Another question - the pronouncement of Spähnle here in America has always been "Span lee". It has been suggested the surname is pronounced "Spain la". Does anyone know for sure?? Maurine

Beth, Why not sign up for a List in Ohio? That's closer to "home" and you may find more people searching that area and have more suggestions. Go to http://www.rootsweb.com/ and press on "Roots-L Mailing List" under "Mailing Lists". Then press on Ohio. You can then do a search for Armbruster and get some addresses of others looking for that surname from there. Searching that site, I was led to this page: http://w3.gwis.com/~nnuss/cem/cemlist.html that listed all the burials in Lawrence County and Armbruster was not listed, which makes me wonder if that was just a "passing through" location. This is another site for Lawrence County: http://www.lawrencecountyohio.com/ I found this address in "The Handybook for Genealogists, United States of America". It is fairly new, so the addresses should be current. Maybe writing to them for information may help. Lawrence County Chapter, OGS (?Ohio Genealogical Society) PO Box 945 Ironton, Ohio 45638-0955 Also, Beth, when you said you checked out church records, what do you mean? Like just looking for your own personal records hidden in an old bible? Depending on the denomination you belong to, many religions keep very good records on people. Go to the most recent church you know that line of relatives belonged to. Either write to that church for information on those ancestors, specifically asking for where they came from prior to that and information such as parents, siblings, etc. Then if fortunate to get another church or town they were from, then write to that church. If a town, look up on the internet for a church there. When you get to the original church they were at after immigrating, usually that church's records will tell the country, and even the town they were from. If writing the churches does not help, try going to www.familysearch.org and seeing if you can locate a film on those churches. Someone at your local FHC (Family History Center) might be able to help you on that. Another thought is that sometimes people came over in groups, such as the large German groups that moved from around Offenburg, Germany, to or around the Ste. Genevieve, MO, area. Some from those groups stopped "temporarily", or even some stayed permanently in Ohio or Indiana. Their relatives might have moved on, though, to Missouri. Sometimes knowing or seeing those connections help. Your ancestors might not have been researches, but their's might have. Finding their origins sometimes leads to where your ancestors came from. So DJ's suggestion to learn the area they were at in 1880 is a good one. I know there are many Armbruster's in Appenweier, Baden and I know some of those are listed as emigrating to America. Some of those might be the ones that settled in southern Missouri, but without knowing more details, it is like searching for a needle in a haystack! So Good Luck, and don't give up. Your hard work will pay off some day! Carol -----Original Message----- From: djweber [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 11:20 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Re: Baden-Germany-Armbruster's Wendelin, I am far out of the Ortenau on this one. Should I suggest to Beth that she and I continue this thread off-List as we would be working on US searches? Beth, Temporarily we are out of the Ortenau and into Ohio. Based on Norma's census information which you state is the sole information you have found, so far, you are in Ohio, Lawrence County, Decatur Township in 1880. I don't know where you now reside (the general area might be of value in suggesting some library sources to you; from your e-mail adress, maybe Columbus, still in Ohio?) but if you know know that area of Lawrence County, you know you are just about in the Wayne National Forest and there are very few towns and very few pieces of flat areas for a home. First thought for that area is whether you have attempted to search for Land Records in the township in the name of Armbruster or Armbarister or anything similar. I would imagine that Ironton is the county seat (but that is a guess) however other than Buckhorn I can think of no town in Decatur Township (there must be a few other towns). Did David purchase any land in Lawrence County and what information about him is within the transfer of title? Did he sell the land and move west so that there would be a second transfer of title? Next thought. From your census information and I hope you have seen the actual written page and not a transcription, David was born in Germany, with his father born in Germany and his mother born in Baden and Mary (who you think might be Maria or Maria Anna) was born in Germany with her father born in Germany and her mother born in Germany. With the age difference between David and Mary, my wonder was if they married in Europe or married in the United States. The difference in birth location identifications and the surname spelling in the census could indicate the lack of ability of the census taker or that David and Mary were from different Germanic areas, even different German countries and did arrive separately in the United States. I would certainly stress the Baden Emigration Index in your search for David. The original URL I suggested to explain the BEI was < http://home.att.net/~wee-monster/baden.html >; I really prefer < http://www.websters.net/blackforest/didyouknow.html > but that site seems to be down too often. However, if it is working, also look at its home, its lead page < http://www.websters.net/blackforest/ >. Also, follow each child; find their marriage, find their death record and find any newspaper indication of their death. As I mentioned newspapers of the early 1900s were very gossipy in printing family details in a death article. I rarely suggest that anyone use the LDS IGI information because of the many, many errors which have been placed into it. But, it can be a lead! Also, if any church records have been transcribed for the IGI, with the exception of misspelled surnames which often do appear as handwriting is difficult to read, those excerpts might be leads for you. So try it but don't put too much faith in it.....they have my mother listed as being born about 4,000 miles away from where she was born. In my own Ortenau search I have found errors by up to thirty years for births and deaths in the IGI and Pedigree LDS information. A LEAD, only. Find 1900 census records for all the children. Find death records of the children. Again, if you give me a rough idea of your current location, I might be able to offer some idea as to local sources. djweber [email protected]

Wendelin, I am far out of the Ortenau on this one. Should I suggest to Beth that she and I continue this thread off-List as we would be working on US searches? Beth, Temporarily we are out of the Ortenau and into Ohio. Based on Norma's census information which you state is the sole information you have found, so far, you are in Ohio, Lawrence County, Decatur Township in 1880. I don't know where you now reside (the general area might be of value in suggesting some library sources to you; from your e-mail adress, maybe Columbus, still in Ohio?) but if you know know that area of Lawrence County, you know you are just about in the Wayne National Forest and there are very few towns and very few pieces of flat areas for a home. First thought for that area is whether you have attempted to search for Land Records in the township in the name of Armbruster or Armbarister or anything similar. I would imagine that Ironton is the county seat (but that is a guess) however other than Buckhorn I can think of no town in Decatur Township (there must be a few other towns). Did David purchase any land in Lawrence County and what information about him is within the transfer of title? Did he sell the land and move west so that there would be a second transfer of title? Next thought. From your census information and I hope you have seen the actual written page and not a transcription, David was born in Germany, with his father born in Germany and his mother born in Baden and Mary (who you think might be Maria or Maria Anna) was born in Germany with her father born in Germany and her mother born in Germany. With the age difference between David and Mary, my wonder was if they married in Europe or married in the United States. The difference in birth location identifications and the surname spelling in the census could indicate the lack of ability of the census taker or that David and Mary were from different Germanic areas, even different German countries and did arrive separately in the United States. I would certainly stress the Baden Emigration Index in your search for David. The original URL I suggested to explain the BEI was < http://home.att.net/~wee-monster/baden.html >; I really prefer < http://www.websters.net/blackforest/didyouknow.html > but that site seems to be down too often. However, if it is working, also look at its home, its lead page < http://www.websters.net/blackforest/ >. Also, follow each child; find their marriage, find their death record and find any newspaper indication of their death. As I mentioned newspapers of the early 1900s were very gossipy in printing family details in a death article. I rarely suggest that anyone use the LDS IGI information because of the many, many errors which have been placed into it. But, it can be a lead! Also, if any church records have been transcribed for the IGI, with the exception of misspelled surnames which often do appear as handwriting is difficult to read, those excerpts might be leads for you. So try it but don't put too much faith in it.....they have my mother listed as being born about 4,000 miles away from where she was born. In my own Ortenau search I have found errors by up to thirty years for births and deaths in the IGI and Pedigree LDS information. A LEAD, only. Find 1900 census records for all the children. Find death records of the children. Again, if you give me a rough idea of your current location, I might be able to offer some idea as to local sources. djweber [email protected] ------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth Maxwell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 7:57 AM Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Re: Baden-Germany-Armbruster's > My name is Mary Elizabeth but I go by Beth...sorry for the confusion..... > > On the only thing i've found which is the 1880 census and that was with the > help of Ralph is all of their names and it has David "Armbarister" Mary all > their childred except for Mary Elizabeth because she wasn't born yet all the > children were born in ohio and had David born in Baden German and Mary just > in Germany. That is all i have to go on. I can't find anything so far for > church records or nothing. We just hit a brick wall. Thats why i've posted > in the township's they lived in back then...i do have different townships > for their children as they grew older...but nothing else on David or Mary > Ann. So i figured i'd try to go with their children. And see where that > leads me. So far nothing. I've written to the court houses and libraries.. > .still nothing so far. And the newspapers too. I didn't know anything > about Germany....i was ignorant. Until all these good people started > talking to me and showing me the way. And helping me and talking to me. > They have been so patient and kind to me. And i appreciate that so much. I > never knew how huge it was there. I knew it was big...but wow!!! I went to > my first Oktoberfest this year and i gotta say i loved it. And i learned > alot about Germany. I didn't know much about my German roots. And nothing > about the Black forrest. Anyway i didn't know where to begin is what i'm > saying....and i still don't really. But i'm trying. And everyone has sent > me alot of advice. And as i just said....i haven't tried to do this before > and had no idea where to begin and just dove in head first. I had nobody to > help me...no one in my family has done this before. And my Dad's side was a > little easier...not so hard. Mom said it might have to do with the Gestopo. > ..not sure on the spelling. Because of the Gehring. During the war or > something. If you can't tell i didn't care much for history in school. And > maybe thats why it's so hard to track down David and Mary Ann or (Maria) I > don't know. So i want to thank everyone for all their patience and help > with this. > > Beth and Barbara.

My name is Mary Elizabeth but I go by Beth...sorry for the confusion..... On the only thing i've found which is the 1880 census and that was with the help of Ralph is all of their names and it has David "Armbarister" Mary all their childred except for Mary Elizabeth because she wasn't born yet all the children were born in ohio and had David born in Baden German and Mary just in Germany. That is all i have to go on. I can't find anything so far for church records or nothing. We just hit a brick wall. Thats why i've posted in the township's they lived in back then...i do have different townships for their children as they grew older...but nothing else on David or Mary Ann. So i figured i'd try to go with their children. And see where that leads me. So far nothing. I've written to the court houses and libraries.. .still nothing so far. And the newspapers too. I didn't know anything about Germany....i was ignorant. Until all these good people started talking to me and showing me the way. And helping me and talking to me. They have been so patient and kind to me. And i appreciate that so much. I never knew how huge it was there. I knew it was big...but wow!!! I went to my first Oktoberfest this year and i gotta say i loved it. And i learned alot about Germany. I didn't know much about my German roots. And nothing about the Black forrest. Anyway i didn't know where to begin is what i'm saying....and i still don't really. But i'm trying. And everyone has sent me alot of advice. And as i just said....i haven't tried to do this before and had no idea where to begin and just dove in head first. I had nobody to help me...no one in my family has done this before. And my Dad's side was a little easier...not so hard. Mom said it might have to do with the Gestopo. ..not sure on the spelling. Because of the Gehring. During the war or something. If you can't tell i didn't care much for history in school. And maybe thats why it's so hard to track down David and Mary Ann or (Maria) I don't know. So i want to thank everyone for all their patience and help with this. Beth and Barbara. -------Original Message------- From: [email protected] Date: 10/16/04 18:40:25 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Re: Baden-Germany-Armbruster's Mary, Barbara....or Beth, whoever When you first questioned on the Baden-Wuerttemberg List for Armbarister and Gehring, I suggested the surname Armbruster as probably being the original surname and not a change of surname upon arrival in America. As Wendelin has told you both Armbruster and Gehring are relatively common Germanic surnames. Also, I suggested that Gehring might stand by itself or it might have been a variation on Göring or Goering. Wendelin could confirm (or deny) my comment that I had read information that Armbruster was (almost) a trade name as coming from earlier days as a name which denoted a Bowman or "arrow shooter", as related to being an archer. With your question now in the Ortenau area you still would have a problem locating the specific ancestor without finding some information state-side for an original Germanic town. I have been searching another surname and my search has taken me into the Church Registers for more than twenty towns in the Ortenau, in Ratstatt and in the town now known as Baden-Baden....I would not state unequivocally that there were Armbruster(s) in every one of those towns but I would bet from memory that almost each of those towns had a family line of Armbruster(s). My original suggestion was the Baden Emigration Index which has been filmed by the LDS (Ancestry has the later part of the BEI in their records but the LDS filming is the complete Index) with the second suggestion which is a lessen possibility being the Auswanderer (Glatzler/Müller or Württemberg/Baden information) on-line information. You have web site information for both of those possible sources. You might be lucky. If luck does not follow either of those soures, have you tried local US church records, newspaper articles, death records, cemetary records, those County books usually written in the 1880s (for maybe one of the children with family details), County records, even Mexican War or Civil War records for pension files for the father? With your wanted surames, jumping the ocean without finding US leads might need a miracle for you. Have you checked the LDS on-line information for the 1880 US census to see if the children which you know are indicated with a German/Baden or a US birth? This might help you figure out a rough year of emigration. Or do you know if the couple married in Baden or in the US? In other words, might you be looking for one town, close towns or distant towns or separate Germanic countries for each of the parents. As you have the names of so many children, I would certainly suggest the US census information for each census from 1870 on. Many emigrants were frightened of census takers (or any government official) and are not in the first census after their arrival in the US but look for the family. No town will be included in the census just as the Ship Manifest normally would list no home town but every bit of information could offer more leads in particular to confirm your believe in Baden as being the origin of the family. I would also suggest the death records, the newspaper articles, anything available on each of the children. Old newspapers were very gossipy and included much more background than today. Does your local library have access to the census on-line? Does your local LDS Family History Center (library) have access to Ancestry information? Check them out and gather everything and anything on all the children and the parents. Again, there may be some lead to a specific Germanic town. djweber [email protected] ==== DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Mailing List ==== If you are new to this Ortenau List, please check the Archives to see if any messages have been posted about your surname or your town. < http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/DEU-BAD-ORTENAU.html >. ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Dan, It's good to know there are such nice people out there like you and Wendelin and all the others that have been such great help to us. I'll give it a try and see what i can come up with. It will take me some time to go through everything that all of you folks have sent me and go through all of it. I'm going to go through it all with a fine tooth comb and just take my time and see what i can find and hope for the best. I'm grateful for all the help and time everyone has invested into this for us. Thank you all so much. Beth -------Original Message------- From: [email protected] Date: 10/16/04 19:50:59 To: [email protected] Subject: [Ortenau] Re: Baden-Germany-Armbruster's Mary, Barbara, and Wendelin: I have another suggestion to try and find your Armbruster ancestor along with what Wendelin stated.. The Family History Centers have microfilmed a set of Emigration Records of Baden from 18th-20th centuries called, "Auswanderer, 17. bis 20. Jahrhundert". From personal experience they are a series of films listed by year then mostly in alphabetical order. Most of the microfilms I have seen are of type-written cards that list the family or individuals names along with their birthplaces. You can go to Familysearch.org to check out which films might be of help and rent them from your local FHC. I was able to find my Schneider line's birthplace of Urloffen through these records. Good luck! Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendelin Irslinger" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 2:28 PM Subject: Re: Baden-Germany-Armbruster's > Hi Mary and Barbara, > > that's not easy to trace an Armbruster because there are numerous Armbruster > in the Black Forest area. Gehring is also not seldom. > > Helpful could be that David Armbruster was a stone cutter. Then he worked in a > quarry, I assume. Maybe the profession was a family tradition. > > The most important quarry in our area in the mid of the 19th century was the > Samson quarry between Diersburg and Oberschopfheim. In both towns lived stone > cutters. > I know there were Armbrusters in Diersburg (since 1848) who were originated of > Gengenbach. But the history book of Diersburg don't mention the emigration of > an Armbruster. > Karl Armbruster from Gengenbach had a another quarry in Diersburg in 1932. > To complete the stone worker story: in Lahr and Friesenheim there exists a > stone-mason Gehring. > > But the Black Forest is large and there are many towns with Armbruster and > Gehring and maybe even other stone cutters. > > When this family emigrated in the 1870s there should be somewhere an > emigration document. Don't know when Germans to America begins but the Baden > Emigration Index is another possibility (just remember a member of our list > found one of my relatives in that list). Don't know if such a list exists for > Württemberg. > > Did you try the emigration database at: > http://auswanderer2.lad-bw.de:8080/auswanderer/deutsch/index.htm > > BTW: because some members did use the wrong address (...L-request, > ..D-request) > to send messages, the correct list address is > [email protected] > (sometimes I also mix up these addresses) > > Wendelin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Beth" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 2:55 AM > Subject: Baden-Germany-Armbruster's > > > Hi, > I'm looking for a David Armbruster that was born in Baden Germany born > About 1822 and married a Maria Gehring born About 1847 in Germany they were my > Great Great Grandparents. They moved to the United States I'm not sure when. > They had 7 children William Henry born July 23 1866, Anna About 1869, Joseph > April 1871, Edwerd Born May 1873, Frederick born August 1876 we think they > were born in Germany but nor sure...then Charles H born April 4 1878 and Mary > Elizabeth born Sept 23 1881. We are looking for any information that we can > find on them. If you can help us we would sure appreciate it. Especially > interested in David and Maria. We do know that they settled in Ohio > eventually. And they came by way of Ellis island...well Maria did we think. > But nothing on David. My mother is 72 and would love to know more about her > family. She was always told that her family came from the black forrest...but > we found information that David was a stone cutter. But nothing solid. We > just don't have any proof. Is there anything you can tell us? Most all of > her family is gone and we can't find anything else. Thank you so much for > your time. > > Mary and Barbara. > ==== DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Mailing List ==== The changes, the growth of Kreises within Baden are listed (in easy-to-understand German terms) at < http://ortenau.50free.org/herrschaft/baden_kreis.htm >. ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hi Norma, That seems to be all that i can find of them. This has been the only info at all. That's why i've asked for help. But thank you for your help and time. I appreciate it alot. -------Original Message------- From: [email protected] Date: 10/16/04 18:12:42 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Re: Baden-Germany-Armbruster's HI, I found this family listed on Ancestry's Family Trees. http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2984862&id=I08528 It doesn't give any info as to the location of their origins, but did say they were on the 1880 Ohio census. I looked them up and found them in LawrenceCo. Ohio in 1880 Decatur Twp. #221/122 David Armbarister?, age 58, stone cutter, Ger/Ger/Baden Mary, age 33, wife, keeping house, Ger/Ger/Ger William, 13, son, OhOhOh Anna, dau, age 11, OhOhOh Joseph, son, age 09, OhOhOh Edwerd, son, age 06, OhOhOh Frank, son, age 04, OhOhOh Charley, age 02,son, OhOhOh Norma At 08:28 PM 10/16/2004 +0200, you wrote: >Hi Mary and Barbara, > >that's not easy to trace an Armbruster because there are numerous Armbruster >in the Black Forest area. Gehring is also not seldom. > >Helpful could be that David Armbruster was a stone cutter. Then he worked in a >quarry, I assume. Maybe the profession was a family tradition. > >The most important quarry in our area in the mid of the 19th century was the >Samson quarry between Diersburg and Oberschopfheim. In both towns lived stone >cutters. >I know there were Armbrusters in Diersburg (since 1848) who were originated of >Gengenbach. But the history book of Diersburg don't mention the emigration of >an Armbruster. >Karl Armbruster from Gengenbach had a another quarry in Diersburg in 1932. >To complete the stone worker story: in Lahr and Friesenheim there exists a >stone-mason Gehring. > >But the Black Forest is large and there are many towns with Armbruster and >Gehring and maybe even other stone cutters. > >When this family emigrated in the 1870s there should be somewhere an >emigration document. Don't know when Germans to America begins but the Baden >Emigration Index is another possibility (just remember a member of our list >found one of my relatives in that list). Don't know if such a list exists for >Württemberg. > >Did you try the emigration database at: >http://auswanderer2.lad-bw.de:8080/auswanderer/deutsch/index.htm > >BTW: because some members did use the wrong address (...L-request, >..D-request) >to send messages, the correct list address is &gt;[email protected] >(sometimes I also mix up these addresses) > >Wendelin > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Beth" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 2:55 AM >Subject: Baden-Germany-Armbruster's > > >Hi, > I'm looking for a David Armbruster that was born in Baden Germany born >About 1822 and married a Maria Gehring born About 1847 in Germany they were my >Great Great Grandparents. They moved to the United States I'm not sure when. >They had 7 children William Henry born July 23 1866, Anna About 1869, Joseph >April 1871, Edwerd Born May 1873, Frederick born August 1876 we think they >were born in Germany but nor sure...then Charles H born April 4 1878 and Mary >Elizabeth born Sept 23 1881. We are looking for any information that we can >find on them. If you can help us we would sure appreciate it. Especially >interested in David and Maria. We do know that they settled in Ohio >eventually. And they came by way of Ellis island...well Maria did we think >But nothing on David. My mother is 72 and would love to know more about her >family. She was always told that her family came from the black forrest.. but >we found information that David was a stone cutter. But nothing solid. We >just don't have any proof. Is there anything you can tell us? Most all of >her family is gone and we can't find anything else. Thank you so much for >your time. > >Mary and Barbara. > > >==== DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Mailing List ==== >The changes, the growth of Kreises within Baden are listed >(in easy-to-understand German terms) at >< http://ortenau.50free.org/herrschaft/baden_kreis.htm >. > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 ==== DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Mailing List ==== The changes, the growth of Kreises within Baden are listed (in easy-to-understand German terms) at < http://ortenau.50free.org/herrschaft/baden_kreis.htm >. ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hi Mary and Barbara, that's not easy to trace an Armbruster because there are numerous Armbruster in the Black Forest area. Gehring is also not seldom. Helpful could be that David Armbruster was a stone cutter. Then he worked in a quarry, I assume. Maybe the profession was a family tradition. The most important quarry in our area in the mid of the 19th century was the Samson quarry between Diersburg and Oberschopfheim. In both towns lived stone cutters. I know there were Armbrusters in Diersburg (since 1848) who were originated of Gengenbach. But the history book of Diersburg don't mention the emigration of an Armbruster. Karl Armbruster from Gengenbach had a another quarry in Diersburg in 1932. To complete the stone worker story: in Lahr and Friesenheim there exists a stone-mason Gehring. But the Black Forest is large and there are many towns with Armbruster and Gehring and maybe even other stone cutters. When this family emigrated in the 1870s there should be somewhere an emigration document. Don't know when Germans to America begins but the Baden Emigration Index is another possibility (just remember a member of our list found one of my relatives in that list). Don't know if such a list exists for Württemberg. Did you try the emigration database at: http://auswanderer2.lad-bw.de:8080/auswanderer/deutsch/index.htm BTW: because some members did use the wrong address (...L-request, ..D-request) to send messages, the correct list address is [email protected] (sometimes I also mix up these addresses) Wendelin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 2:55 AM Subject: Baden-Germany-Armbruster's Hi, I'm looking for a David Armbruster that was born in Baden Germany born About 1822 and married a Maria Gehring born About 1847 in Germany they were my Great Great Grandparents. They moved to the United States I'm not sure when. They had 7 children William Henry born July 23 1866, Anna About 1869, Joseph April 1871, Edwerd Born May 1873, Frederick born August 1876 we think they were born in Germany but nor sure...then Charles H born April 4 1878 and Mary Elizabeth born Sept 23 1881. We are looking for any information that we can find on them. If you can help us we would sure appreciate it. Especially interested in David and Maria. We do know that they settled in Ohio eventually. And they came by way of Ellis island...well Maria did we think. But nothing on David. My mother is 72 and would love to know more about her family. She was always told that her family came from the black forrest...but we found information that David was a stone cutter. But nothing solid. We just don't have any proof. Is there anything you can tell us? Most all of her family is gone and we can't find anything else. Thank you so much for your time. Mary and Barbara.

Mary, Barbara, and Wendelin: I have another suggestion to try and find your Armbruster ancestor along with what Wendelin stated.. The Family History Centers have microfilmed a set of Emigration Records of Baden from 18th-20th centuries called, "Auswanderer, 17. bis 20. Jahrhundert". From personal experience they are a series of films listed by year then mostly in alphabetical order. Most of the microfilms I have seen are of type-written cards that list the family or individuals names along with their birthplaces. You can go to Familysearch.org to check out which films might be of help and rent them from your local FHC. I was able to find my Schneider line's birthplace of Urloffen through these records. Good luck! Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendelin Irslinger" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 2:28 PM Subject: Re: Baden-Germany-Armbruster's > Hi Mary and Barbara, > > that's not easy to trace an Armbruster because there are numerous Armbruster > in the Black Forest area. Gehring is also not seldom. > > Helpful could be that David Armbruster was a stone cutter. Then he worked in a > quarry, I assume. Maybe the profession was a family tradition. > > The most important quarry in our area in the mid of the 19th century was the > Samson quarry between Diersburg and Oberschopfheim. In both towns lived stone > cutters. > I know there were Armbrusters in Diersburg (since 1848) who were originated of > Gengenbach. But the history book of Diersburg don't mention the emigration of > an Armbruster. > Karl Armbruster from Gengenbach had a another quarry in Diersburg in 1932. > To complete the stone worker story: in Lahr and Friesenheim there exists a > stone-mason Gehring. > > But the Black Forest is large and there are many towns with Armbruster and > Gehring and maybe even other stone cutters. > > When this family emigrated in the 1870s there should be somewhere an > emigration document. Don't know when Germans to America begins but the Baden > Emigration Index is another possibility (just remember a member of our list > found one of my relatives in that list). Don't know if such a list exists for > Württemberg. > > Did you try the emigration database at: > http://auswanderer2.lad-bw.de:8080/auswanderer/deutsch/index.htm > > BTW: because some members did use the wrong address (...L-request, > ..D-request) > to send messages, the correct list address is > [email protected] > (sometimes I also mix up these addresses) > > Wendelin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Beth" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 2:55 AM > Subject: Baden-Germany-Armbruster's > > > Hi, > I'm looking for a David Armbruster that was born in Baden Germany born > About 1822 and married a Maria Gehring born About 1847 in Germany they were my > Great Great Grandparents. They moved to the United States I'm not sure when. > They had 7 children William Henry born July 23 1866, Anna About 1869, Joseph > April 1871, Edwerd Born May 1873, Frederick born August 1876 we think they > were born in Germany but nor sure...then Charles H born April 4 1878 and Mary > Elizabeth born Sept 23 1881. We are looking for any information that we can > find on them. If you can help us we would sure appreciate it. Especially > interested in David and Maria. We do know that they settled in Ohio > eventually. And they came by way of Ellis island...well Maria did we think. > But nothing on David. My mother is 72 and would love to know more about her > family. She was always told that her family came from the black forrest...but > we found information that David was a stone cutter. But nothing solid. We > just don't have any proof. Is there anything you can tell us? Most all of > her family is gone and we can't find anything else. Thank you so much for > your time. > > Mary and Barbara. >

HI, I found this family listed on Ancestry's Family Trees. http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2984862&id=I08528 It doesn't give any info as to the location of their origins, but did say they were on the 1880 Ohio census. I looked them up and found them in LawrenceCo. Ohio in 1880 Decatur Twp. #221/122 David Armbarister?, age 58, stone cutter, Ger/Ger/Baden Mary, age 33, wife, keeping house, Ger/Ger/Ger William, 13, son, OhOhOh Anna, dau, age 11, OhOhOh Joseph, son, age 09, OhOhOh Edwerd, son, age 06, OhOhOh Frank, son, age 04, OhOhOh Charley, age 02,son, OhOhOh Norma At 08:28 PM 10/16/2004 +0200, you wrote: >Hi Mary and Barbara, > >that's not easy to trace an Armbruster because there are numerous Armbruster >in the Black Forest area. Gehring is also not seldom. > >Helpful could be that David Armbruster was a stone cutter. Then he worked in a >quarry, I assume. Maybe the profession was a family tradition. > >The most important quarry in our area in the mid of the 19th century was the >Samson quarry between Diersburg and Oberschopfheim. In both towns lived stone >cutters. >I know there were Armbrusters in Diersburg (since 1848) who were originated of >Gengenbach. But the history book of Diersburg don't mention the emigration of >an Armbruster. >Karl Armbruster from Gengenbach had a another quarry in Diersburg in 1932. >To complete the stone worker story: in Lahr and Friesenheim there exists a >stone-mason Gehring. > >But the Black Forest is large and there are many towns with Armbruster and >Gehring and maybe even other stone cutters. > >When this family emigrated in the 1870s there should be somewhere an >emigration document. Don't know when Germans to America begins but the Baden >Emigration Index is another possibility (just remember a member of our list >found one of my relatives in that list). Don't know if such a list exists for >Württemberg. > >Did you try the emigration database at: >http://auswanderer2.lad-bw.de:8080/auswanderer/deutsch/index.htm > >BTW: because some members did use the wrong address (...L-request, >..D-request) >to send messages, the correct list address is >[email protected] >(sometimes I also mix up these addresses) > >Wendelin > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Beth" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 2:55 AM >Subject: Baden-Germany-Armbruster's > > >Hi, > I'm looking for a David Armbruster that was born in Baden Germany born >About 1822 and married a Maria Gehring born About 1847 in Germany they were my >Great Great Grandparents. They moved to the United States I'm not sure when. >They had 7 children William Henry born July 23 1866, Anna About 1869, Joseph >April 1871, Edwerd Born May 1873, Frederick born August 1876 we think they >were born in Germany but nor sure...then Charles H born April 4 1878 and Mary >Elizabeth born Sept 23 1881. We are looking for any information that we can >find on them. If you can help us we would sure appreciate it. Especially >interested in David and Maria. We do know that they settled in Ohio >eventually. And they came by way of Ellis island...well Maria did we think. >But nothing on David. My mother is 72 and would love to know more about her >family. She was always told that her family came from the black forrest...but >we found information that David was a stone cutter. But nothing solid. We >just don't have any proof. Is there anything you can tell us? Most all of >her family is gone and we can't find anything else. Thank you so much for >your time. > >Mary and Barbara. > > >==== DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Mailing List ==== >The changes, the growth of Kreises within Baden are listed >(in easy-to-understand German terms) at >< http://ortenau.50free.org/herrschaft/baden_kreis.htm >. > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237