djweber: I want to say "thanks" to you, too, for aiming me at the speedyspace pages for the list! Tom Fitzsimmons.

There seems to be a discrepancy in the translation of some of the FISCHER records from Windschlaeg. A person has a wonderful internet site with lots of information on it, but I'm concerned about a couple listings on this site. In Windschlaeg there was a Gregor FISCHER who married Magdalena DIERLE back in 1807. They had a son, Gorgon FISCHER, who married first Bibiana KEMPF and then when Bibiana died, he married Catharina ROTH. In the first marriage with Bibiana KEMPF, Gorgon had a son named Franz FISCHER. Franz was born on 15 Sep 1837. There were five other children in Gorgon's first marriage. Bibiana died in 1843. Gorgon went on to have 12 more children (most who died young) in his second marriage. This site that I have some question about has Gregor "Fisher" married to Bibiana "Kempt", and Franz Fisher listed as their son. That would make a "father-in-law" married to the "daughter-in-law". I have looked back not only on these records, but on all the siblings records to check about the names/spelling, and still get Gorgon Fischer married to Bibiana Kempf. In fact, I have a death record of Gregor Fischer for 12 Jun 1836, which is the year before Franz Fischer was born. In that death record, Magdalena Dierle was listed as his wife. I have copies for over 125 FISCHER records from Windschlaeg for years between 1726 (when the first marriage took place) to mid to latter 1800's, for which I spent several months translating and putting all the family lines together. I've gone back to study these records carefully to check out this discrepancy. If there is anyone on this list who is experienced with reading old German script that would care to take a look at some of these records in question and give their opinion, please let me know. Carol Rogers

Wendelin, Piece by piece you have been adding information for us at the companion web pages you set up for this List, < http://ortenau.speedyspace.de/search/ >. There is a list of Ortssippenbuecher, Auswanderer, and the many other sources of soldiers, surnames, farms, Guild members and more including a new page to allow up to understand the difference in Julian and Gregorian Calendar dates. This calendar tool is so new I wonder if others know it exists as yet. I realize that much of this information is from books to which you have found access. But I wonder about more advanced additional earlier details. With Church Registers starting, if we are lucky, in the middle 1600s I wonder about other sources before the Church Registers (if we ever reach that point in our ancestral antiquity). We searchers in the towns of the Ortenau understand that the Ortenau was never a country as we might think of a country. It was part Habsburg, part Hessian, part Margraviate, part Wuerttembergische, part ecclesiastical, part Reichsstädt and part of a lot of other pieces. Do you know if any of those geographic pieces of land ownerships ever maintained lists of fiefs, lists of muster, lists of taxes, land ownership records, archived Guild and Apprenticeship Records, Burgher/Citizenship Rolls, Wills/Probate Records, School/University Records (although finding one of my ancestors who could write his own name might be a major surprise) or any other early lists for the various towns which would predate the Church Registers. Then, if such lists might exist at some archival location in the Baden area would I be imprudent to ask if at some later time when I reach that stage in chasing my ancestry if I might ask you, for a price, to do personal research or if I might ask if you could suggest someone who for a fair price might do any wanted archive research into such lists....again if I ever reach that point. djweber [email protected]

Thanks for the clarification, Wendelin. I visited the excellent archive in beautiful Karlsruhe three years ago and that is where I found Gustav Binz' booklets on growing-up in Mahlberg and Freiburg. My great grandfather, August Binz, was mentioned in one booklet and I was thrilled to read his name there. My wife and I drove our car from a small hotel in Karlsruhe to get a bite to eat, and then found we could not make our way back because of one-way streets and pedestrian-only streets. We finally had to hail a taxi and ask him to drive ahead of us to show us the way!

Hello Tom, sorry for the confusion. I meant the main archive in Baden "Generallandesarchiv" (GLA) in Karlsruhe where you can find many documents for our research area. BTW: South Baden has a special archive in Freiburg (Freiburg was capital of the state Baden 1947-1952) with the name "Staatsarchiv". And there are few smaller archives of former dominations. Wendelin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Fitzsimmons" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 10:11 PM Subject: [Ortenau] Archive? > On reading that a list of soldiers is in the Archive, I went to > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > then typed DEU-BAD-ORTENAU in the box and got back a search engine > for the list. Nothing shows up about a list of soldiers, so I am > guessing that Wendelin means some other archive. > > Tom Fitzsimmons.

If you have any ancestral interest at the towns of Appenweier, Bohlsbach, Bühl, Durbach, Griesheim, Sand, Waltersweier, Weier and Windschläg, a List member has just identified a large number of surnames at those towns. If any of those towns are also yours, take a look at the town information at < http://ortenau.speedyspace.de/search/ >. djweber [email protected]

On reading that a list of soldiers is in the Archive, I went to http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl then typed DEU-BAD-ORTENAU in the box and got back a search engine for the list. Nothing shows up about a list of soldiers, so I am guessing that Wendelin means some other archive. Tom Fitzsimmons.

Hello Harvey, the lists of names are in the archive. For the Baden soldier exits a veteran chronicle which was published in 1843: "vollständiges alphabetisches Verzeichnis derjenigen Veteranen, welche in den Badischen Diensten Feldzüge mitgemacht und die Felddienstauszeichnung erhalten haben 1792 - 1815." In this book there are only the names of soldiers who got a "Felddienstauszeichnung". A same book exists for Württemberg (1840). I saw both books in the library in Stuttgart. Yes, list of soldiers are a good source of information. I believe the oldest list in our area exists for the domination Lahr and Mahlberg in the year 1579 which contains 1672 men of 20 towns. Wendelin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harvey Wiederspahn" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 12:49 AM Subject: [Ortenau] Baden soldliers > How would I be able to view that 7166 names of soldiers for Napoleon army in 1812 ???? > > Thank you---- Harvey Wiederspahn > > [email protected]

Tom, Try < http://ortenau.speedyspace.de/search/ > and click on the Sources tab at the top of the page. This will lead to the various lists of information which Wendelin has found and added to his Ortenau pages. I believe though in his recent comment about Archives he probably was suggesting an Archive location in the Ortenau or in Baden which has archival information. I believe this list of soldiers who fought with Napoleon came from an old book which he had located in a library in Germany. Agreed when you searched through Rootsweb, it was only an archive of past messages to this List. djwber [email protected] ---------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Fitzsimmons" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 3:11 PM Subject: [Ortenau] Archive? > On reading that a list of soldiers is in the Archive, I went to > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > then typed DEU-BAD-ORTENAU in the box and got back a search engine > for the list. Nothing shows up about a list of soldiers, so I am > guessing that Wendelin means some other archive. > > Tom Fitzsimmons. >

Hello, I included 2 new sources: - list of citizens of Hugsweier in 1793 - soldiers from northern Ortenau for Napoleons war in Russia in 1812 (a complete list of all Baden soldiers has 7166 names) Wendelin

My gosh, Wendelin, you have been busy typing! Thank you so much for caring about us. You are VERY KIND! Carol -----Original Message----- From: Wendelin Irslinger [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 2:20 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Ortenau] new sources Hello, I included 2 new sources: - list of citizens of Hugsweier in 1793 - soldiers from northern Ortenau for Napoleons war in Russia in 1812 (a complete list of all Baden soldiers has 7166 names) Wendelin ==== DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Mailing List ==== < http://www.heavens-above.com/countries.asp > can be searched for neighboring towns if you fear that one of your ancestors moved to or from your searched town. ============================== OneWorldTree - The World's largest family tree. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13971/rd.ashx

Do we have an English version? That is all in German. Linda

If someone is wondering what the new link "myfamily" on the member page means: Here you can enter family data. But not thousands of names, only up to 100 of your ancestors (because the place is limited). If you want to use that program please tell me username and password. Wendelin

How would I be able to view that 7166 names of soldiers for Napoleon army in 1812 ???? Thank you---- Harvey Wiederspahn [email protected]

Linda, Forget about the < http://ortenau.50free.org/ > and the < http://ortenau.50free.org/search/ > web sites. Remove them from your favorites. They are now dead sites. They have been replaced with < http://ortenau.speedyspace.de/ > < http://ortenau.speedyspace.de/search/ >. Use these URLs for the companion town research and surname sites. djweber [email protected] ---------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Your companion information sites > Should have said the one I had in my favorites ortenanu.50free.org gives > me > access forbidden. > > > Linda > >

Should have said the one I had in my favorites ortenanu.50free.org gives me access forbidden. Linda

Whre is the member page, I can only find the one in German. Linda

Kurt, Perhaps you have received your answer direct as I have seen nothing go through the List in answer to your recent question. I took at look at the page referrals from < http://www.igi-index.de > which appears to be the replacement for the old < http://igi.wahler.org/ > but I found no listings of any batch numbers for the town of Prinzbach. I don't know enough about Prinzbach and its area to wonder if at any time its Church authority was at a different town which might have been transcribed by batchnumbers. If you think such other town might have existed, perhaps something would be at < http://www.igi-index.de >. djweber [email protected]

In a message dated 11/21/2004 11:01:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > US Census Records, it says > 1880 a http://www.familysearch.org 0ffers "free" 1880 census pages also. Beverly On vacation in sunny Florida and leaving soon for New Orleans, LA. Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours,

Hi Linda and all you others, thank you for your support!At this moment, the solution seems to be: ..... Joseph Kern, hiesiger Bürger und ....händler, Wittwer der verstorbenen Franziska Jehle, und Christine Fischer, uneheliche Tochter des ledigen Caspar (?) Fischer aus Hambach (= Unterharmersbach), und der ledigen M.Anna Schäfer aus Prinzbach" Does anybody have access to Unterharmersbach (i.e. Zell am Harmersbach) and/or Prinzbach data to reconfirm this solution? Thank you very much Kurt Erlemann, Wuppertal At 15:41 16.11.2004 -0500, you wrote: >The scan that Kurt sent is only 191 KB very small.. I thought that 8 megs >was the entire book.. I loaded it to the Yahoo List under photos and you >should be able to enlarge it. If not I can send on the scan to anyone who >thinks they can read this. It is typical German writing very hard for me to >read also, but as I said the file is very small and it's just a scan of a >page. So let me know who wants it. > > >Linda > > > >==== DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Mailing List ==== >If you are new to this Ortenau List, please check the Archives to see if any messages have been posted about your surname or your town. >< http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/DEU-BAD-ORTENAU.html >. > >============================== >Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >New content added every business day. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >