Again my apologies for accepting a Christian German-language radio station as a Christmas German radio station. In an attempt to make amends, I have checked the current World Radio TV Handbook for German regional radio stations to determine individual web addresses. I have not tried them to see if they do broadcast over the web in addition to the air waves as so many US stations do but it is possible that you might find one or some of them on-line. Hit1Radio, Karlsruhe < http://www.hit1radio.de > Hitradio Ohr., Offenburg < http://www.hitradio-ohr.de > Radio Seefunk, Konstanz < http://www.radio-seefunk.de > Radio Ton, Heilbronn < http://www.radio-ton.de > From the World Radio TV Handbook, these should be local stations in the Baden area but whether they do broadcast on-line I can not confirm. Perhaps. Of course, there are many, many additional stations in other German areas. The surprise was that Südwestrundfunk which has included a short-wave outlet from Baden-Baden and often was capable of being heard on a short-wave radio along the eastern and into the mid-western US does not seem to have a web address. djweber [email protected]

DJ, This music is beautiful! So glad you sent us this site. Merry Christmas to you and other Listers! Carol -----Original Message----- From: djweber [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 7:09 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Ortenau] The Christmas Season The URL of < http://www.bbnradio.org/german/ > has been passed on to me by a friend in Florida. It is a German radio station with their on-line Christmas music. In case you might have any interest. djweber [email protected] ==== DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Mailing List ==== List your surnames at the Ortenau Search web site < http://ortenau.speedyspace.de/search/ >. ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

Thank you, Rose. A beautiful and lovely message. Merry Christmas, we must keep it in our hearts, always. Jeanne in soon to be snowy northern Indiana.

Forget that last message. It may be in German but it is a North Carolina religious on-line station. I took the referral like a fish for a worm on a hook. My apologies. However, it is soothing music but not a German statiion. djweber [email protected]

The URL of < http://www.bbnradio.org/german/ > has been passed on to me by a friend in Florida. It is a German radio station with their on-line Christmas music. In case you might have any interest. djweber [email protected]

To all my Genealogical Friends in Germany and America, Wish you all the best in this Christmas Season, remember Jesus Christ was born for the love towards his people. Frohe Feiertage. Rose in this cold and wintery Alberta djweber wrote: > The URL of < http://www.bbnradio.org/german/ > has been passed on to me by a > friend in Florida. It is a German radio station with their on-line > Christmas music. In case you might have any interest. > > djweber > [email protected] > > ==== DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Mailing List ==== > List your surnames at the Ortenau Search web site > < http://ortenau.speedyspace.de/search/ >. > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

At present Rootsweb has identified that their list messages are not being accepted for customers of America On-Line and the aol additional ISPs of Compuserve, Netscape and Wmconnect. Copies of this message are being sent to the individual Ortenau List members who use those ISPs with the hopes that at least one copy of the message does reach them. However, as a safety factor for those aol customers, some of this information may be repeated in a later List message. Your List Administrator has notified me of an additional benefit he has given us at the companion web site of < http://ortenau.speedyspace.de/search/ >. Check out that web site and click on the word "Links" at the top-of-the-page toolbar. From that click you will reach his new page where various bits of information about Baden and its towns are being listed with their web page links. This is a work in process and additional individual links will be added on an irregular basis, anywhere from later today to some unknown future time. For any web site listed click on (or copy and paste) the individual link to reach that additional page. Certainly this is a wonderful Christmas present to us from Wendelin. I'm certain he hopes you will find some information of interest and value in your quest for your ancestors. For myself, I only can offer each of you a Merry Christmas and then I'm off to do my own "ripping the paper" off Wendelin's present to us hoping that I find something new and of interest for my search. djweber [email protected]

Hello, back to the witches of the Landvogtei Ortenau. We already saw a list of witches of the Gericht Appenweier and some of Zell-Weierbach, Rammersweier, Fessenbach. Another list contains additional names of other towns: Jahr 1555. Juli. Anna, des Claus Schütterlin Frau von Zell. Anna Katharina, Freu des Hans Kreß von Zell. 1569. 25. Okt. Wolf Lenz von Zimmer. Lebend verbrannt Wolf Lenz sen. Wittb. Lebend verbrannt Margareta Ketter von Urloffen. Lebend verbrannt 1573. 5. Juni. Welsch Hänsin von Ortenberg. Verbrannt 1574. Hans Obrecht Frau von Bühl. Verbrannt. 1575. 26. Juni. Urban Byser von Appenweier. Verbrannt. 1575. Juli. Hans Byser. Byserin, die alte. 1595. 22. Juni. Katharina Wolf, Ehrhards Frau. Verbrannt in Appenweier. Katharina Roß Wittb. Verbrannt in Appenweier. Christine, Adam Marggraf Wittb. Verbrannt in Appenweier. 1595. 11. August Barbara, Jakob Schiffmann's Frau. Verbrannt in Appenweier. Sophia, Michel Kuon's Frau. Verbrannt in Appenweier. Katharina, Hans Margrav's Frau. Verbrannt in Appenweier. 1595. Septbr. Tobias Ohnmacht von Fautenbach. 1596. Oktober. Barbara, Georg Treyschneizler's Wittb. (Selbstmord) in Ortenberg. Martha, Jakob Kern's Frau. (Selbstmord) in Ortenberg. 1599 Math. Preinig Wittb von Rammersweier. Jörg Metz Frau von Weier. Barbara, Georg Lurkher's Frau. 1599. 5. Nov. Barthel Pfeifer von Urloffen. Verbrannt in Appenweier. Brigitta, Hebamme, seine Frau. Verbrannt in Appenweier. Hans Sauer Frau von Appenweier. 1603. Katharina Heyd, gen. Urglerin. Anna Heyd, Tochter, von Ebersweier. Katharina, Frau des Melchior Fey von Fessenbach. (Von jetzt an Hinrichtung durch das Schwert und Verbrennen der Leichen.) 1627. Barbara, Abraham Hartnagel's Frau von Rammersweier. Andreas Heiz Frau. Anna, des Herrn Mohl Frau von Fessenbach. Katharina, Urban Beuerlin's Frau von Ortenberg. 1628. 26. Jan. Jakob Scheerer, in Griesheim gerichtet. Katharina, Hans Scheerer's Frau. Katharina, Diebold Caulmann's Frau. Ursula, Georg Schreiner's Stieftochter in Rammersweier. 1628. 28. Jan. Magdalena, Roman Heldtrich's Frau, Hinrichting in Ortenberg. Jakob Beuerlin's Frau aus Fessenbach. Magdalena, des Hans Ent Frau aus Rammersweier. Ursula, Hans Schillings Frau von Ortenberg. 1628. Febr. Hans Gries' Tochter von Rammersweier. Maria, Hans Grünbergers Frau. Barbara, Benedikt Schilling's Wittb von Fessenbach. Philipp Vetters Hausfrau von Fessenbach. 1628. April. Maria, Frau des Wendelin Kapp von Kittersburg. Maria, Frau des Georg Vitzkamb Witwe. Ludwig Hallers Frau von Ortenberg. Jakob Widmers Frau von Bühl. Hans Xanders Frau von Bohlsbach. 1628. 27. Mai. Ursula, Christmann Wackers Frau. Lebend verbrannt. Merge, Heinrich Wittmanns Frau von Bohlsbach. Lebend verbrannt. Melchior Egs Frau von Weier. Lebend verbrannt. Merge, Georg Krampferts Wittib von Gamshurst. Lebend verbrannt. 1628. 21. Juni. Zum Feuertode verurteilt. Auf Fürbitte der Priesterschaft zum Schwerte begnadigt: Barbara, Georg Gaß' Hausfrau von Weier. Barbara, Phil. Rempuß' Wittb, Urloffheim. Apollonia, Michel Okenfuß Weib v. Windschläg. 1628. Juli. Anna, Hans Wackher's Frau von Bühl. Katharina, Michel Wersteins Wittb. Ursula, Mathis Heinrichs Frau. Maria, geb. in Freistett, Magd bei Wolf Kopf in Kittersburg. 1628. 4. Aug. Zusammen durch das Schwert gerichtet und die Leichen verbrannt: Eva Balth. Cuelmanns Frau von Griesheim. Katharina, Martin Fitzkamms Frau von da. Maria, Hans Windtnagel's Frau v. Nußbach. 1628. 17. Oktbr. Anna, Andreas Heizmanns Frau von Goldscheuer. Katharina, Stephan Bremß' Wittb von Appenweier. Katharina, Kaspar May's Frau von Appenweier. 1629. 4. April. Zusammen durch das Schwert gerichtet und die Leichen verbrannt: Katharina, Leonhard Brinkhlins Frau von Appenweier. Agnes, Georg Schneiders d. jüng. Frau von Goldscheuer. Margarete, Michel Haans Frau von Waltersweier. Barbara, Peter Brinklins Frau. 1629. 21. Mai. Reinhard Meyers Frau von Achern. 1629. 14. Juli. Martha, Michel Buebenhofners Frau von Kittersburg. 1629. 16. Juli. Anna, Gangolf Groß Frau von Appenweier. Katharina, Hans Bischlers Tochter von Fessenbach? Drei Mal schwer gefoltert ohne Geständnis, ist sie vielleicht dem Tod entgangen. 1629. 30. Juli. Magdalena, Hans Gruners Frau von Appenweier. 1629. 31. Juli. Marie, Georg Cuelmanns Wittb von Weier. Barbara, Gregor Schneiders Frau von Appenweier. 1629. August. Brigitta, Michel Mengis Frau von Appenweier. Barbara, Georg Widmanns Frau von Appenweier. Maria, Lorenz Eckharts Frau von Urloffen. Christine, Herz Remps(?) Frau von Appenweier. Anna, Hans Schertlins Tochter von Appenweier. Martin Kranz von Urloffen. Barbara, Adam Marggrafs Tochter von Appenweier. Katharina, Michel Kochs Frau von Appenweier. 1629. November. Jakob Gering von Appenweier. Margarete Kuen Wittb. Maria, Raphael Reimuß Tochter. 1630. Mai. Jakob Pfeller von Appenweier(?). Hans Gering von Appenweier. Hans Brinkhlin von Appenweier. Maria, Heinrich Widmers Frau von Bohlsbach. Katharina, Melchior Exen Frau von Weier. Anna, Philipp Vetters Frau von Weierbach. Eva, Lorenz Grütlers Frau von Zell. Alle in einem Urteile ohne Monatsangabe zum Tode durch das Schwert u. Verbrennung verurteilt: Barbara, Stephan Schwarz' Frau von Appenweier. Lucia, ledige Näherin von Berghaupten. Barbara, Lorenz Deibers Frau von Ortenberg. Anna, Georg Schütterlins Frau von Ortenberg. Joachim Megendinger und Christine, Jakob Baslers Wittb aus Rammersweier. Anna, Hans Strackh Frau von Ortenberg.

Carol, > How unfortunate about the earthquake! Do you have many of these in the > Ortenau area? I believe I felt the latest last year. It's not seldom in Baden-Württemberg (half of the earthquakes in Germany): every month a local local earthquake of 3 on the Richter scale. every year one with 4 every 10 years one with 5 every 100/200 years one with 6 Wendelin

Wendelin, How unfortunate about the earthquake! Do you have many of these in the Ortenau area? Carol -----Original Message----- From: Wendelin Irslinger [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 6:28 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Ortenau] updates Hi, latest updates on the webpage (sources): Gamshurst - Geschichte der Pfarrei Hausinschriften im Hanauerland (house inscriptions in Hanauer country) Dokumente von Kloster Wittichen (documents of cloister Wittichen) BTW: 2 days ago we had an earthquake (center Waldkirch with 5.4 on the Richter scale, not many damages) in the Black Forest. Wendelin ==== DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Mailing List ==== If you are new to this Ortenau List, please check the Archives to see if any messages have been posted about your surname or your town. < http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/DEU-BAD-ORTENAU.html >. ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Hi, latest updates on the webpage (sources): Gamshurst - Geschichte der Pfarrei Hausinschriften im Hanauerland (house inscriptions in Hanauer country) Dokumente von Kloster Wittichen (documents of cloister Wittichen) BTW: 2 days ago we had an earthquake (center Waldkirch with 5.4 on the Richter scale, not many damages) in the Black Forest. Wendelin

Thank goodness no one was hurt ... God bless! Sandra In a message dated 12/6/2004 4:26:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > BTW: 2 days ago we had an earthquake (center Waldkirch with 5.4 on the > Richter > scale, not many damages) in the Black Forest. > > Wendelin >

The Rootsweb server which allows us to reach the Archives of each List is down and has been down for the past fourteen hours or so. The Rootsweb Help Desk/Tab has no idea when it will return to service. Until then, the Archives of this and every other List can not be reached. djweber [email protected]

Hello Maurine, > Today I went to the "source" file, Citizens of Zell a. H. and found several > listings for the surname Kopf dating back to 1650. Would you kindly explain > this information? Are there any first names available? For the year 1802 > there is "Kopf 4". Does that mean there are four Kopf families in Zell at > that time? Sorry, no given names. Not each inhabitant of the town was a citizen (not each man and no woman). > See what you get when you provide us with such good service for this mailing > list!!! Thank you. Thanks, Wendelin

Hi: Charletta is lucky because there exist some kinship books where her ancestors lived (Nonnenweier, Allmannsweier, Kippenheim, Wittenweier, Ichenheim, Altenheim, Ottenheim) I had no time (maybe another day I am able to search for more names) to notice all ancestors but I include names of Allmannsweier, Nonnenweier, Kippenheim: Nonnenweier: 2372 oo 16.12.1821 Valentin Schiff <aus 2358>, Bauer, Korbmacher, * 18.5.1788, + 30.8.1868, u. Barbara Fuchs <T. d. Johann F., Bürger und Bauer in Kippenheim, u. d. Anna Maria geb Metzger>, * um 1798, + Nonnenweier 5.5.1882 9 Children: Barbara 6.4.1822, nach Amerika ausgewandert Ursula <2384, 2395> Valentin 23.11.1826, + 18.1.1896 Anna Maria 27.3.1829 Johann Georg 4.2.1831, + 14.2.1831 Maria Salome 28.11.1832, nach Amerika ausgewandert Katharina 18.1.1836, + Ichenheim 1.7.1866 Eva 21.10.1838, + 1.9.1929, ledig Simon <2406> 2358 oo 10.4.1782 Hans Schiff <aus 2355>, Bürger, Bauer, Dorfwächter, * 24.7.1757, + 1.11.1834, u. Maria Barbara Herrenknecht <aus 1000> * 13.7.1761, + 7.8.1841 9 Children: Valentin <2372> 2355 oo 8.2.1751 Valentin Schiff <aus 2352>, Bürger und Bauer, * um 1722, + 3.8.1766, u. Elisabeth Ottmann <T. d. Johann Jacob O. in Wittenweier, u. d. Anna Barbara geb. Fischer>, * Wittenweier 11.9.1725, + Nonnenweier 4.12.1781 6 Children: Johannes <2358> 2352 oo 2.11.1710 Valentin Schiff <aus 2351>, Bürger und Bauer, * 9.11.1687, + 2.10.1746, u. Anna Maria Herrenknecht <aus 986>, * 31.7.1685, + 31.8.1750 7 Children: Valentin <2355> 2351 oo 10.1.1681 Quirin Schiff <aus 2348>, Bürger und Bauer, des Gerichts, * 17.2.1656, + 25.11.1721, u. Maria Wendling, aus Rheinbischofsheim, * 5.9.1652 10 Children: Valentin <2352> 2348 oo 7.5.1649 Valentin Schiff <oo I 2347>, u. Maria Schmidt <T. d. Hans Sch. in Wittenweier u. d. Barbara geb. ...>, * Wittenweier 19.8.1619, + Nonnenweier 30.1.1684 3 Children: Quirinus <2351> 1000 oo 26.1.1749 Johann Diebold Herrenknecht <aus 991>, Bürger und Bauer, * Mai 1723, + 2.3.1795, u. Maria Ursula Schlager <aus 2469; s.a. 2480; oo I, II s. 1843, 1155>, genannt "Zieglerin", * 5.2.1719, + 2.6.1782 6 Children: Maria Barbara <2358> 991 oo 19.11.1708 Johann Herrenknecht <S. d. Johann H., Bürger und Bauer in Allmannsweier>, Bauer, * um 1686, + 2.8.1753, u. Anna Barbara Dietrich <T. d. Theobald D., in ..., Hofmeier>, * um 1680, + 1.5.1750 7 Children: Diebold <1000> 986 oo 14.2.1681 Valentin Herrenknecht <aus 984>, Bauer, Bürger und Kirchenpfleger, * 5.9.1652, + vor 1736, u. Barbara Rockenbach <aus 2120>, * 14.9.1657, + 29.2.1736 6 Children: Anna Maria <2352> 984 oo 20.5.1650 Valentin Herrenknecht <S. d. Valentin H., Bürger in Allmannsweier, oo II s. 985>, Bauer, Heimburger, Stabhalter, + 2.11.1695, u. Anna Schwab <aus 2705>, + 1.3.1679 6 Children: Valentin <986>, Johannes <987> 2120 oo 28.10.1656 Martin Rockenbach <S. d. Martin R., Bürger in Altenheim>, Bürger und Bauer, + vor 1710, u. Barbara Otto <aus Ottenheim, T. d. Mathias O., in Ottenheim; oo I s. 1522>, + 22.9.1710 7 Children: Barbara <986> Allmannsweier: 837 oo 19.11.1708 in Nonnenweier Herrenknecht Johannes Eltern: siehe <829> * 15.6.1696 in Allmannsweier, + 2.8.1753 in Nonnenweier, Bauer Dietrich Anna Barbara Eltern: siehe <272> * 15.2.1686 in Allmannsweier, + 1.5.1750 in Nonnenweier 829 oo 17.2.1682 in Nonnenweier Herrenknecht Johannes <S. d. Valentin H., Bauer, Heimburger, Stabhalter in Nonnenweier, u. d. Anna geb. Schwab; siehe Nr. 828, siehe auch OSB Nonnenweier Nr. 984 u. Nr. 987>, * 7.1.1661 Nonnenweier, Bürger, Bauer und Meier in Allmannsweier Leppert Anna Ursula <T. d. Lorenz L., Schmied in Nonnenweier u. d. Maria geb. Schiff; siehe auch OSB Nonnenweier Nr. 1642>, * 21.11.1662 Nonnenweier, + 4.3.1731 Allmannsweier Children: Johannes * 15.6.1686 Nonnenweier; siehe 837 Kippenheim: 1294 oo 18.10.1779 Johannes Fuchs <aus 1287>, Bauer und Taglöhner, * 2.7.1753, + 11.3.1824, u. Anna Maria Metzger <aus 3868; oo I 4923>, * 1.7.1755, 28.11.1814. Ev. 10 Children: Barbara 13.5.1797, s. OSB Nonnenweier 2372 1287 oo 16.11.1750 Hans Georg Fuchs <oo II s. 1291>, Taglöhner, * um 1712, + 9.6.1777, u. Barbara Friedrich <aus 1139>, * um 1725, + 25.2.1761. Ev. 4 Children: Johannes <1294> 3868 oo Hans Michael Metzger, Küfermeister <aus 3866>, * 8.3.1722, + 9.10.1787, u. Anna Maria Kreß (Greß), * Lahr 15.11.1728, + Kippenheim 13.4.1794. Ev. 14 Children: Anna Maria <4923, 1294> 3866 oo Johannes Metzger <aus 3865>, Küfermeister, * 23.4.1682, + vor 1760, u. Susanna Kiesel (Küßelin, Kießeler), * 14.7.1695, + 18.10.1763. Ev. 10 Children: Johann Michael <3868> 3685 oo 1670 Johannes Christmann Metzger (Metziger) <S. d. Hans Jacob M., Bürger in Ichenheim, aus "Weißenhorn bei Neu-Ulm/Bayern", u. d. Maria Anna geb. Wagner, s. OSB Ichenheim 2291>, Küfer, * Ichenheim 1644, u. Maria Stultz <aus 5538; oo I s. 88>, * 1645. Ev. 4 Children: Johannes <3866> Wendelin

Good Afternoon, Today I went to the "source" file, Citizens of Zell a. H. and found several listings for the surname Kopf dating back to 1650. Would you kindly explain this information? Are there any first names available? For the year 1802 there is "Kopf 4". Does that mean there are four Kopf families in Zell at that time? See what you get when you provide us with such good service for this mailing list!!! Thank you. Maurine Spähnle LeBlanc

Hello Rose, > Frederick married Maria Solome Schiff born 1832 from > Nonenweier, Offenburg, Germany. Parents were Valentin > Schiff born 1788 and Barbara Fuchs born about 1790. > Other surnames include Herrinknect, Mezger, Kern. Anything sound familiar? maybe I am able to take a look in the kinship book of Nonnenweier tomorrow. But I don't know if I have enough time to notice all ancestors. I am wondering if someone has already heard of the Herrenknecht company which produces boring machines for tunnels. Wendelin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rose & Peter Goutbeck" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 7:50 PM Subject: [Ortenau] [Fwd: WEBER ancestry] > > Hello Ortenauer Rootsweb People, > > Two days I received this attached message. Does anyone have an answer to > this? Sorry I donot search in this places. > Rose in sunny Alberta > > > Delivered-To: [email protected] > Return-Path: <[email protected]> > Received: from psmtp.com ([64.18.0.152]) > by mx02.mail.interbaun.com with esmtp; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 16:23:57 -0700 > Received: from source ([207.217.121.251]) by exprod5mx12.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; > Sun, 28 Nov 2004 18:23:58 EST > Received: from huey.psp.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.78.220]) > by pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) > id 1CYYOc-0002mr-00 > for [email protected]; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 15:23:58 -0800 > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 17:23:57 -0600 (GMT-06:00) > From: [email protected] > Reply-To: [email protected] > To: Rose & Peter Goutbeck <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: WEBER ancestry > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 > X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 > > Noticed that your WEbers came from Baden, Germany and wondered if there could be any connection. My Weber names are Frederick born 1829 around Karlsruhe, his fathr Louis Weber born about 1797 married a Zimmerman. > > Frederick married Maria Solome Schiff born 1832 from Nonenweier, Offenburg, Germany. Parents were Valentin Schiff born 1788 and Barbara Fuchs born about 1790. Other surnames include Herrinknect, Mezger, Kern. Anything sound familiar? > > Charletta Stratton

>Noticed that your WEbers came from Baden, Germany and wondered if there could be any connection. My Weber names are Frederick born 1829 around Karlsruhe, his fathr Louis Weber born about 1797 married a Zimmerman. > >Frederick married Maria Solome Schiff born 1832 from Nonenweier, Offenburg, Germany. Parents were Valentin Schiff born 1788 and Barbara Fuchs born about 1790. Other surnames include Herrinknect, Mezger, Kern. Anything sound familiar? Hello, I do have some Kerns in my files, from Biberach/Kinzigtal and Boesingen/Rottweil. Any connections? Kurt Erlemann

dj, > Do you know if any of those geographic pieces of land ownerships ever > maintained lists of fiefs, lists of muster, lists of taxes, land ownership > records, archived Guild and Apprenticeship Records, Burgher/Citizenship > Rolls, Wills/Probate Records, School/University Records (although finding > one of my ancestors who could write his own name might be a major > surprise) or any other early lists for the various towns which would > predate the Church Registers. all these records are available (not all for each town). Especially for a former Reichsstadt. Lists of fiefs are also usefull, they give not only the name of the farmer but sometimes also the size of the fields, if he had a house, his taxes, the name of neighbours... And mostly there was not only one landowner in the town. An example: A cloister owned fields in Achern, Gamshurst, Fautenbach, Sasbach. List of these fiefs exists for 1427 (copy of the 18th century), 1529, 1585, 1650, 1680, 1766. Lists of muster exists especially for towns which belonged to Baden before the 19th century. Other possible sources are marriage contracts, contract of inheritance, contracts, protocolls of Gericht, Rat, Amt, accounts (many of the accounts were destoryed in the 19th and 20th century)... BTW: When your ancestor had relatives who died between 1871 and 1900 in Baden there is a good chance to find a contract of inheritance (which often includes a marriage contract). > Then, if such lists might exist at some archival location in the Baden area > would I be imprudent to ask if at some later time when I reach that stage in > chasing my ancestry if I might ask you, for a price, to do personal research > or if I might ask if you could suggest someone who for a fair price might do > any wanted archive research into such lists....again if I ever reach that > point. Sure, I can do it for a fair price. Wendelin ----- Original Message ----- From: "djweber" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 8:46 PM Subject: [Ortenau] Question about "Sources" at the companion web page....and more > Wendelin, > > Piece by piece you have been adding information for us at the companion web > pages you set up for this List, < http://ortenau.speedyspace.de/search/ >. > There is a list of Ortssippenbuecher, Auswanderer, and the many other > sources of soldiers, surnames, farms, Guild members and more including > a new page to allow up to understand the difference in Julian and > Gregorian Calendar dates. This calendar tool is so new I wonder if > others know it exists as yet. > > I realize that much of this information is from books to which you have > found access. But I wonder about more advanced additional earlier details. > With Church Registers starting, if we are lucky, in the middle 1600s I > wonder about other sources before the Church Registers (if we ever reach > that point in our ancestral antiquity). > > We searchers in the towns of the Ortenau understand that the Ortenau was > never a country as we might think of a country. It was part Habsburg, part > Hessian, part Margraviate, part Wuerttembergische, part ecclesiastical, > part Reichsstädt and part of a lot of other pieces. > > Do you know if any of those geographic pieces of land ownerships ever > maintained lists of fiefs, lists of muster, lists of taxes, land ownership > records, archived Guild and Apprenticeship Records, Burgher/Citizenship > Rolls, Wills/Probate Records, School/University Records (although finding > one of my ancestors who could write his own name might be a major > surprise) or any other early lists for the various towns which would > predate the Church Registers. > > Then, if such lists might exist at some archival location in the Baden area > would I be imprudent to ask if at some later time when I reach that stage in > chasing my ancestry if I might ask you, for a price, to do personal research > or if I might ask if you could suggest someone who for a fair price might do > any wanted archive research into such lists....again if I ever reach that > point. > > djweber > [email protected]

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------20EE5DEC10CB417474D64CC3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Ortenauer Rootsweb People, Two days I received this attached message. Does anyone have an answer to this? Sorry I donot search in this places. Rose in sunny Alberta --------------20EE5DEC10CB417474D64CC3 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="nsmail2H.TMP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="nsmail2H.TMP" Delivered-To: [email protected] Return-Path: <[email protected]> Received: from psmtp.com ([64.18.0.152]) by mx02.mail.interbaun.com with esmtp; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 16:23:57 -0700 Received: from source ([207.217.121.251]) by exprod5mx12.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 18:23:58 EST Received: from huey.psp.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.78.220]) by pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CYYOc-0002mr-00 for [email protected]; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 15:23:58 -0800 Message-ID: <[email protected]> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 17:23:57 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: [email protected] Reply-To: [email protected] To: Rose & Peter Goutbeck <[email protected]> Subject: Re: WEBER ancestry Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Noticed that your WEbers came from Baden, Germany and wondered if there could be any connection. My Weber names are Frederick born 1829 around Karlsruhe, his fathr Louis Weber born about 1797 married a Zimmerman. Frederick married Maria Solome Schiff born 1832 from Nonenweier, Offenburg, Germany. Parents were Valentin Schiff born 1788 and Barbara Fuchs born about 1790. Other surnames include Herrinknect, Mezger, Kern. Anything sound familiar? Charletta Stratton -----Original Message----- From: Rose & Peter Goutbeck <[email protected]> Sent: Nov 23, 2004 9:54 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: WEBER-D Digest V04 #14 Debby, Your Webers originate from Preussia. My Weber's all came from southwest 'Baden' of Germany. So it appears there cannot be a connection of Yours and mine. Rose Weber-goutbeck [email protected] wrote: > Subject: > > WEBER-D Digest Volume 04 : Issue 14 > > Today's Topics: > #1 William/Wilhelm Webers [Debbie Bazzelle <[email protected]] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from WEBER-D, send a message to > > [email protected] > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: William/Wilhelm Webers > Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:32:25 -0500 > From: Debbie Bazzelle <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > I have been searching for my missing Webers for years. I hope somebody > can help. > > My great great grandmother was Mary Hoffman. She was born 4 May 1848 in > New Jersey or maybe Germany and died 25 Jan 1911 in Kansas or Missouri > (at her daughter's house). > > She married William/Wilhelm Webers on 29 April 1866 in Scranton, > Luzerne, Pennsylvania. Both are buried in Stewartsville, DeKalb, Missouri. > William/Wilhelm was born 7 June 1839 in Krefeld, Rhineland, Prussia > (Germany) and died 18 March 1895 in Stewartsville, DeKalb, Missouri. > He committed suicide on the railroad tracks behind his home. I have his > papers from the Civil War. > > Mary was the mother of 13 children, 10 of who we can find, and 3 not. > At least one of the 3 was stillborn, the other two unknown. She had > only 7 living children by the 1900 census. > > Their children were - William (Willie), Theadore (Dora), Wilhemina, > Christine (Teen), Katherine (Kate), Charles, Margaret (Mag), Edward, > Louise (Weese), and Jennie. (Jennie is my great grandmother). > > I have no other information on the Webers or Hoffman's before this > time. Thank you for your time. --------------20EE5DEC10CB417474D64CC3--