Have just discovered that my maiden name Orteneau was changed from the original German name, Ortenau. What is known of the surname, Ortenau? I know of the region, but who were originally from that area? Any information would be appreciated. Regards, Darlene O. Deno

Wendelin, When I recently went on your site: http://ortenau.speedyspace.de/search/ I noticed that all the information I had submitted on my Ebersweier KETTERER and KURFURST/CHURFURST/BASLER lines got erased. What happened? I haven't used that site for awhile, and can't remember right now what my password is to resubmit new information. Carol Rogers

Hi, Wendelin Irslinger wrote: > maybe the reason why there are only 2 OFB online is the copyright. > > Another reason is that you must spend many hours with typing. Okay, you can > use an OCR program but you still must compare the result. > I couldn't spend this time because I am a volunteer for an US genealogical > society. Sure, I can understand that. I just wanted to remind of that website http://www.ortsfamilienbuecher.de in case that someone is working on an OFB or has the capacities to digitalize one. Renate

Hello Barbara, I assume there were some "Karl Hummel" in Diersheim but perhaps the following is the brother of your Catharina: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~wegner/webweg/wegn168.htm 1 Hummel of Diersheim was in the prison because of his activity in the revolution in Baden in 1849. Johann Georg Hummel (1806-1858), town-clerk, mayor (1835-44), member of the National Assembly of Baden in 1849. He flees to Strasbourg after the revolution, then USA, came back in 1852, was in the prison till 1855. released because he was ill, died in 1858. I believe there is a picture of him. 2 Schreiner of Diersheim were soldiers in the revolution army in 1849: Friedrich (emigrated 1873) Jakob (emigrated 1851) The following Hummel were soldiers in the revolution army: Friedrich Martin Michel Michel There is a history book of Diersheim: Kößler, Friedrich Das Rhein- und Grenzdorf Diersheim in Vergangenheit und Gegenwart and even a movie: Diersche forever,... de Film BTW: I believe the name "Diersheim" is on the arc de triomphe in Paris because there was a battle near Diersheim in 1797: http://www.parisrama.com/thematiques/thematique_arcdetriomphe.htm - Wendelin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Bower" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 1:48 PM Subject: [Ortenau] Re. Hummel, Schriener, Weber > > > I am researching the name HUMMEL and SCHRIENER. Catharina HUMMEL born > 18 Nov 1803 (I think in Diersham, Offenburg, Baden Germany). Catharina > HUMMEL married Michael SCHREINER abt 1815 in Diersham. They had four > sons (second oldest is my gg grandfather, Frederick). Catharina, > Michael and their three youngest sons came to the US in May 1849. I > have a copy of the ticket they used. They lived in Fort Atkinson, WI. > Catharina died 20 Sep 1864, Michael 11 Sep 1870. > > Michael's father was MArtin SCHRIENER and his mother was Catherine > WEBER. > > It is said that Catharina had a brother Charles Ludwig HUMMEL born 1801 > in Strassboerg, Alsace- Lorraine, France

Thank you for the information. My Catharina had a brother born 1801, so this could have been a younger one. My greatgreat grandfather was also Frederick, but he migrated in 1849 he was 27 at the time. The Fredeick who fight in the revolution may have been a cousin. I was just on the web page you sent me and and it says the Carl Hummel died in Koshkonong, Jefferson County, Wisconsin. That is where my Catharina HUMMEL SCHRIENER lived and she is buried. So there may very well be a connection -- he may be Charles Ludwig HUMMEL. I was looking for Charles not Carl. I will check further. Barbara On Mar 5, 2005, at 2:35 PM, Wendelin Irslinger wrote: > Hello Barbara, > > I assume there were some "Karl Hummel" in Diersheim but perhaps the > following > is the brother of your Catharina: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~wegner/webweg/wegn168.htm > > 1 Hummel of Diersheim was in the prison because of his activity in the > revolution in Baden in 1849. > Johann Georg Hummel (1806-1858), town-clerk, mayor (1835-44), member > of the > National Assembly of Baden in 1849. He flees to Strasbourg after the > revolution, then USA, came back in 1852, was in the prison till 1855. > released > because he was ill, died in 1858. I believe there is a picture of him. > > 2 Schreiner of Diersheim were soldiers in the revolution army in 1849: > Friedrich (emigrated 1873) > Jakob (emigrated 1851) > > The following Hummel were soldiers in the revolution army: > Friedrich > Martin > Michel > Michel > > There is a history book of Diersheim: > Kößler, Friedrich > Das Rhein- und Grenzdorf Diersheim in Vergangenheit und Gegenwart > > and even a movie: > Diersche forever,... de Film > > BTW: I believe the name "Diersheim" is on the arc de triomphe in Paris > because > there was a battle near Diersheim in 1797: > http://www.parisrama.com/thematiques/thematique_arcdetriomphe.htm > > - Wendelin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Bower" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 1:48 PM > Subject: [Ortenau] Re. Hummel, Schriener, Weber > > >> >> >> I am researching the name HUMMEL and SCHRIENER. Catharina HUMMEL born >> 18 Nov 1803 (I think in Diersham, Offenburg, Baden Germany). >> Catharina >> HUMMEL married Michael SCHREINER abt 1815 in Diersham. They had four >> sons (second oldest is my gg grandfather, Frederick). Catharina, >> Michael and their three youngest sons came to the US in May 1849. I >> have a copy of the ticket they used. They lived in Fort Atkinson, WI. >> Catharina died 20 Sep 1864, Michael 11 Sep 1870. >> >> Michael's father was MArtin SCHRIENER and his mother was Catherine >> WEBER. >> >> It is said that Catharina had a brother Charles Ludwig HUMMEL born >> 1801 >> in Strassboerg, Alsace- Lorraine, France > > > > > ==== DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Mailing List ==== > < http://www.stadtplandienst.de/ > offers detailed on-line maps of the > town of your ancestor. From the map of Offenburg, by moving and > resizing, the streets of your ancestor's home town can be found. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

I am researching the name HUMMEL and SCHRIENER. Catharina HUMMEL born 18 Nov 1803 (I think in Diersham, Offenburg, Baden Germany). Catharina HUMMEL married Michael SCHREINER abt 1815 in Diersham. They had four sons (second oldest is my gg grandfather, Frederick). Catharina, Michael and their three youngest sons came to the US in May 1849. I have a copy of the ticket they used. They lived in Fort Atkinson, WI. Catharina died 20 Sep 1864, Michael 11 Sep 1870. Michael's father was MArtin SCHRIENER and his mother was Catherine WEBER. It is said that Catharina had a brother Charles Ludwig HUMMEL born 1801 in Strassboerg, Alsace- Lorraine, France

excuse me, but Rechen is not right, the small town is called: RENCHEN with an "n" so long ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey Kanavel" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 10:37 PM Subject: [Ortenau] Eduard Schindler, Rechen, Baden, 1814-1866 & Maria Christina Merz > My Schindler's were from Ulm, Oberkirch and Rechen, > Baden. Eduard and his father, Sebastian (a baker), > were said to be born in Rechen, Baden. Eduard married > Maria Merz in Ulm in 1849. Their marriage certificate > said Eduard was from Rechen and his father, Sebastian, > was deceased. > > LDS records gave me their children's information, > Adelgunda, Richard, Euphrosina, Julius, Gregor, > August, Euphrosina (another), Remig and Edward (1841 - > 1862). > > Other names I am researching, also in this line of my > family and from Rechen and Ulm are Bruder, Wolff, > Krummer (late 1700's to 1800's). > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Audrey > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > ==== DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Mailing List ==== > A list of Historic and Current towns of the Ortenau can be found at > < http://ortenau.speedyspace.de/ >. > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > >

My Schindler's were from Ulm, Oberkirch and Rechen, Baden. Eduard and his father, Sebastian (a baker), were said to be born in Rechen, Baden. Eduard married Maria Merz in Ulm in 1849. Their marriage certificate said Eduard was from Rechen and his father, Sebastian, was deceased. LDS records gave me their children's information, Adelgunda, Richard, Euphrosina, Julius, Gregor, August, Euphrosina (another), Remig and Edward (1841 - 1862). Other names I am researching, also in this line of my family and from Rechen and Ulm are Bruder, Wolff, Krummer (late 1700's to 1800's). Any help would be appreciated. Audrey __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

DJ, Thank you for your response. What I will do is type out the two enteries for Johann Stocker and send to your email address. Thanks so very much. Maurine

I'll add my guess to Wendelin's. Certainly there is a copyright obstacle but lack of business acumen would also be a major problem. With so many of the individual Ortssippenbuecher sold out and unavailable, someone with business knowledge should explain to Herr Siefert and the compilers/editors of those sold out books that additional funds could be obtained by taking one town or several nearby towns together (of those sold out books) and transferring the details to saleable CDRoms. I imagine that all the books were prepared originally with identified copyright restrictions and the denial of any right to transfer to CDRom or any other copying method. But when new family genealogists get involved in the hobby every day and a potentially desired product is out of print, the publishers should find a way to offer the information particularly as it would again start some royalties for the originators. New methods of publication are part of a trend of growth in publishing.....however, I doubt that on-line publishing of those books will ever become popular with the group who worked to put them together. We might discuss the potentials but unless Herr Siefert and his compilers/editors discuss those possibilities, nothing will happen. djweber [email protected] ---------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Renate Ell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 7:47 AM Subject: Re: Re: [Ortenau] Schutterzell Ortssippenbuch > Hi, > > Wouldn't it be nice to have the Schutterzell and other Ortsfamilienbuecher > published online on http://www.ortsfamilienbuecher.de? There are two OFB > from Baden online now - only. It is great to have digital OFB online for > searching. The website is part of http://www.genealogy.net, which is a > joint project of the German genealogical societies. > > Regards, > Renate >

Maurine, Normally in an Ortssippenbuch a child is listed with his parents and if the child married an addition number is associated with him at that point.....something like a See this other number for the child's spouse and family....a referral to another number in that same Ortssippenbuch. If you have your individual with his parents in one town but he married and moved to another town, there probably would be no reference, no see another number in this first Ortssippenbuch. He did not live in that town when he was in his majority. Sometimes there is an indication that there was a move to another town; it all depends on if the compiler had learned that information. His family of wife and children would be listed only in that second book. A variance might be if he had more than one wife, living with the first wife in town A and then with the second wife in Town B. The compiler of the book for Town A knows his town and knows some details of those who moved from his town but his job was not to compile information on every town, only on his Town A. The numbers, in order, mean only a listing determined by the compiler of the book. There is no indication, normally, to family, to age, to order, only by surname. I offer the question if you have TWO Johann Baptist Stocker listed in these two books? You can confirm by looking at the details for his parents, finding him by birth date and checking the See number offered for him. In your Ichenheim book was there a See number for Johann Baptist Stocker at another Stocker listing, that of his father....again, do you have two different Johann Baptist Stocker listings at two towns. djweber [email protected] And, if I'm not making sense, let's continue off-list and I'll try to figure out a better answer for you. ---------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurine LeBlanc" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 9:34 PM Subject: [Ortenau] Ortissippenbuch question > Greetings, > > Today about three hours were spent trying to figure out my Stocker > surname. > After getting extremely grouchy and a headache I decided to ask for help. > > Johann Baptist Stocker was born in Ichenheim. The Stocker kinship page > starts with #3614, Nicolaus Stocker. Johann Baptist Stocker is #3616. Do > the kinship books start with the father first then succeeding numbers > represent the sons or daughters? > > Johann Baptist Stocker is also listed in the Dundeheim book as #1758. The > previous number, 1757, has Georg Stocker as his father a Taglöhner in > Dundeheim. This is the reason for my dilemma. > > Thank you! > > Maurine > >

Carol, Are you using < http://ortenau.speedyspace.de/ > and < http://ortenau.speedyspace.de/search/ > or are you using the old web addresses? The web addresses were changed a few months ago. After seeing your message, I checked these current URLs and they both came up but then the browser I use is Opera and often pages come up on Opera which for some reason another browser claims an inability to find the same page. djweber [email protected] ---------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Rogers" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 1:47 PM Subject: [Ortenau] Ortenau research sites > Wendelin, > > Are your two Ortenau research sites not functioning? I've been unable to > log onto them. > > Carol >

Wendelin, Are your two Ortenau research sites not functioning? I've been unable to log onto them. Carol

Dear fellow scholars, who knows about the HEITTINGERS, GROMERS and FISCHERS in Unterharmersbach resp. Zell am Harmersbach? There is one Joseph H. married with Elisabeth GROMER, whose daughter Elisabetha was born there in 1766 (KB Zell). She became pregnant by Andreas FISCHER (details unknown) and gave life to Caspar FISCHER in 1786. I am loking forward to your answer and say thank you for it! Best Kurt (Erlemann) Wuppertal >

Hi Renate, maybe the reason why there are only 2 OFB online is the copyright. Another reason is that you must spend many hours with typing. Okay, you can use an OCR program but you still must compare the result. I couldn't spend this time because I am a volunteer for an US genealogical society. Wendelin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Renate Ell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 2:47 PM Subject: Re: Re: [Ortenau] Schutterzell Ortssippenbuch > Hi, > > Wouldn't it be nice to have the Schutterzell and other > Ortsfamilienbuecher published online on > http://www.ortsfamilienbuecher.de? There are two OFB from Baden online > now - only. It is great to have digital OFB online for searching. The > website is part of http://www.genealogy.net, which is a joint project of > the German genealogical societies. > > Regards, > Renate

Greetings, Today about three hours were spent trying to figure out my Stocker surname. After getting extremely grouchy and a headache I decided to ask for help. Johann Baptist Stocker was born in Ichenheim. The Stocker kinship page starts with #3614, Nicolaus Stocker. Johann Baptist Stocker is #3616. Do the kinship books start with the father first then succeeding numbers represent the sons or daughters? Johann Baptist Stocker is also listed in the Dundeheim book as #1758. The previous number, 1757, has Georg Stocker as his father a Taglöhner in Dundeheim. This is the reason for my dilemma. Thank you! Maurine

Hi, Wouldn't it be nice to have the Schutterzell and other Ortsfamilienbuecher published online on http://www.ortsfamilienbuecher.de? There are two OFB from Baden online now - only. It is great to have digital OFB online for searching. The website is part of http://www.genealogy.net, which is a joint project of the German genealogical societies. Regards, Renate

Carol, The Urban/Anton Saur relationship is the one you had sent on to me. It was a side-family or perhaps for my inabilities, two side-families of my search. In that downward tree which I have attempted from the original Johannes Sur who moved to Oensbach about 1722, I have mentioned the birth of Urban to unmarried parents Anton Saur and Salome Schneider in two places, once for the Anton born in 1786 to Franz Josef Saur and Maria Theresia Valentin with the second entry of the information for the Anton born in 1787 to Wendelin Saur and Christina Harter. Both Anton(s) were of the age and unmarried at the time of Urban's birth; both married in the 1814-1815 time period. So I have the information but I'm too dumb to know what to do with it. djweber [email protected] ---------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Rogers" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 4:00 PM Subject: [Ortenau] Saur from Oensbach > DJ, > > When looking through the many Windschlaeg records I have, for a baptism > just > above mine for a Petronilla Fischer, I found an Urbanus Saur born 18 May > 1809, "filius illegitimus Antonii Saur solutus ex Oensbach nati" .... with > more info. > > Was this the record I sent you a long time ago? My mind is numb with all > the hunting I've been doing, so please excuse me if this is a repeat! > > Carol >

Carol, Two extra thoughts on your Anna Maria Goss/Bueller situation. The surname Buehler/Bühler was fairly common in a number of the towns neighboring Achern. As to your two death entries of the same day for Johannis Fischer with the one (possibly incorrect) wife's name mentioned, a Germanic researcher I know reminds me quite often that the Priest/Minister did not always make his Church Register entries on a timely basis and that the busy mind of a religious man could make incorrect Register entries if he waited too long to write down his official notations. I would guess that some Priests/Ministers were exacting and (almost) performed the rite with one hand while writing down the details with the other hand but the other extreme would be the sign of a human aspect of a Priest or Minister. djweber [email protected] ---------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Rogers" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 3:00 PM Subject: RE: [Ortenau] help needed > DJ, > > In addition to what I just sent, also found a 6 page listing of names in > the > Windschlaeg records for Confirmations performed in Greisheim in 1760. > Listed was the following: > > Martin and Anna Maria Fischer, son and daughter of Joannis Fischer and > Anna > Maria Goss. > > Also, going back to the death record on Joannes Fischer, I have TWO copies > of TWO different death records for a Joannes Fischer, both listed as dying > on the same day with pretty much the same info as to burial, last > sacraments, and witnesses, but the only thing is only one of them listed > Joannes as being the husband of Anna Maria Bueller. The other one listed > no > relationship to anyone. That same one was rather squeezed in at the > bottom > of the page, however. So I'm now wondering if this was written in later, > thinking the original record got missed, OR was this a death record for > the > son, one of the nine children, who might have died the same day as his > father?? But I doubt this is the case as both are listing Joannes as a > farmer, and the son would have only been 16yrs at the time. Usually they > mentioned parents with children who died back then. > > I think looking for clues of witnesses in other baptismal records, as you > suggested, is a better idea. > > Carol > >

DJ, When looking through the many Windschlaeg records I have, for a baptism just above mine for a Petronilla Fischer, I found an Urbanus Saur born 18 May 1809, "filius illegitimus Antonii Saur solutus ex Oensbach nati" .... with more info. Was this the record I sent you a long time ago? My mind is numb with all the hunting I've been doing, so please excuse me if this is a repeat! Carol