Maurine, I have never ordered either but they are books(?). I would asume that they would be of print and the only way they would not be readable would be if the filming had been bad. When you receive the films and if they are illegible, make some waves. Talk to the head Volunteer at your LDS library, or, at least, let the one Volunteer with the most ability to continue those waves for you do just that for you. I have found that a "Best Copy Available" film may be obtained if the original film is that bad. The bad film will be checked, confirmed, sent back to SLC and you will receive a new film, that 'Best Copy Available" and usually that new copy is many times better for reading than the original. djweber [email protected]

I know of two Mahlberg men who emigrated to America, but did not seem to live near other Mahlbergers. My great grandfather, August Binz, who was born in Mahlberg in 1846 but moved with his family to Freiburg in 1863. Differences with his father led him to emigrate to America in early 1865 where he joined the U.S. Army and had a varied career in the Indian Wars, ending as a first sergeant in the Black Hills of Dakota Territory in 1878 where he resigned because of ill health. He married, ranched in Gregory County, Dakota Territory, became mayor of the town of Gregory for 30 years and died there in 1930 and is buried in Gregory. A first cousin of his, Rudolf Binz, born in Mahlberg in 1844, seems to have emigrated to America in July 1869, arriving in New York. He eventually ended up as an unmarried farm hand in Lincoln County, Nevada. He died February 1927 and is buried in the Ursine Cemetery (or the Hollinger-Hammond Cemetery).

Greetings, To add to this particular subject I have some input for you. My Baden ancestors followed each other to the States of Iowa and Nebraska. At that time both states were offering 80 acres to homestead with the stipulation that they built a house and farmed the land. Some of the individuals wrote home about this free land and influenced brothers to come and do the same. It has been suggested to me that a lot of the Germans who came over stayed within their own because of monies. One ancestor, because he knew exactly where he was going (Nebraska), did port in New Orleans. Franz was a stone mason in Germany and when he reached Lincoln, Nebraska he was immediately put to work on the State Capitol Building. Franz never fullfilled his dream of owning 80 acres as once the building was finished there were plenty of houses to work on. As he says in a letter to "Papa", once the houses are done then the women will come. I have a question for the list. I ordered microfilm of the Biberach and Seelbach kinship books from the Morman Church. Has anyone ordered and seen if their film is readable? By for now - Maurine

Mike, (with a question for Rose) Your question is excellent! There seems to be a constant believe that one family followed another from one town in Europe to another town in America and it probably happened but it is so difficult to prove. Whenever I have tried to figure out some pattern, I have usually ended up with the idea that the German family searched for a town where they could feel at home....where the German language was accepted so the elders could communicate without the fear of learning a new language but where the younger family members could learn English and be assimilated into being Americans as quickly as possible for a better future for them. Now whether that town was a town where a relative or neighbor had settled, whether that town was touted to them by some American agent, whether that town was known as a result of a newspaper article or word of mouth, I don't know. The closest I have seen in print was not about families from Baden but those of the Danzig lowlands in the eastern area of Prussia. The history of the Catholic Church of St Michael the Archangel of Cleveland, Ohio includes the paragraph: "Throughout 1882, more and more people arrived in Cleveland from Germany. Of the Catholic families arriving, many came from West Prussia, Kreisen Marienburg and Danzig. A great many of them settled on the southwest side of the city." I cite this paragraph as my mother's parents were within this group of emigrants and in searching the Church Registers of their home town in the Danzig lands, surname by surname stuck out so noticeably that it would appear that families, that neighborhoods, that towns almost migrated en masse from those German towns to the shadow of the spire of the Church of St Michael. Whether one family came first, whether several families came together, we may never know but over a period of several years, those towns in Germany had their populations move to Cleveland. Mike, may I ask if I could offer any aid in a statistical attempt to determine something about our ancestors. I admit that I have insulted every statistician I have ever know by suggesting that they could take the same data and force it, slew it to come up with any of a number of contrary results but if we all, on this List, offered our ancestral emigrant, his year of emigration, his town from which he emigration, the port of arrival and his ultimate home in North America, we might determine some hint of pattern. In my case, it would be the family of Landolin Sauer, who emigrated in 1853, through the port of New York and settled in Cuyahoga County, Ohio. I have no idea why he settled in Ohio. Family stories stated that his Mill had burned to the ground, that his family was no longer financial stable and that the Town had shipped this Sauer family to America and my guess was that he run out of money when he reached Ohio and there he stayed. Public Notices within the Großherzoglichen Badischen Anzeigeblatt confirm the town payment of passage so the rest of the family story may be true. I added the year of emigration to the line for statistical purposes because the year was important as it might have affected the final location for our ancestors. Prior to the American War of the Revolution, most, if not all, ships arrived at the Port of Philadelphia. Philadelphia was the largest city in population in the Colonies and its harbor was most important. Depending on the source, Philadelphia by the 1770s was, in population, the fourth largest town in the British Empire (behind London, Bristol and Dublin), the third largest town in the British Empire (behind London and Calcutta) or the second largest town in the British Empire (behind only London). At any rate, it was important, emigrants would land at Philadelphia and probably settle in Pennyslvania or in a Colony to the north or south of Pennsylvania. After the War of the Revolution, other U S ports began to receive more emigrants. Boston, New York, Baltimore, Charleston and New Orleans had their growth. Baltimore, in particular, was important with the establishment of the National Road (U S Route 40, today). The Road was slow in developing after its 1806 approval but by 1818 it had reached the Ohio River and the migrant had a shorter route to reach inland waterways. By 1850 Vandalia in Illinois was the terminus of the National Road. (Railroads eventually killed most of the value of the National Road.) New York City as a port of arrival was certainly enhanced by the growth of the city but the October 1825 opening of the Erie Canal, from Albany to Lake Erie did help the emigrants from that port work their way to the west of the then United States. ROSE, here I wonder if your knowledge about families from Baden who settled near Buffalo in New York or New Berlin (Waterloo) in Ontario would not be of excellent value on this overall question. Prior to the American War of the Rebellion (Civil War), many emigrants from Baden probably ended up at the port of New Orleans where they could use the waterways of the Mississippi, the Missouri and the Ohio to reach a "German town" in our English speaking country. LeHavre to New Orleans before the War was an important waterway. Cotton from the south to Europe and the easiest cargo to find for the return trip to New Orleans was a human cargo. This slowed to a trickle, though, as a result of the war and the slow return of the Southern economy. By the time after the War, New York City had risen to the most important of the seaports. Cargos unladed at New York City had the best distribution possible in railroads. The early railways of the New York Central, the Erie Railway and the Nickle Plate (New York, Chicago and St Louis) eventually took their passengers from New York to Buffalo, to Erie, to Cleveland, to Chicago, to St Louis with opportunities to go to Cincinnati, Milwaukee and other cities with large Germanic populations. (And, after the Golden Spike to anywhere from coast to coast in North America.) Certainly, there must have been some back-home letters telling cousin Franz to come to America and to a particular town for good farm land but unless some of us are lucky enough to have old family treasures, maybe your question and the idea of trying to figure out some statistics might be out only clues. Mike, unless some of those families used the National Road to the Ohio River and on to the Mississippi or from New Orleans and its waterways to reach Indiana or Missouri, these thoughts may be of the wrong time period for your question but I do wonder if some of those possible westward routes might not have been used. If we have a bunch of comments from our List Members, we may have some good ideas. djweber [email protected]

I have been curious about emigration patterns of emigrants from the Ortenau to places in the Midwest. While immigration societies and writers like Duden were important, most studies say that families from the same villages in Europe tended to move to the same places in the United States because of letters and encouragement from other family members or other persons from their villages who had already emigrated to these places. I am seeing some evidence of this in my family research and I am wondering if this pattern is true for other emigrants from the Ortenau. Here is what I have observed about my family's settlement in the United States: 1. Madison, Jefferson County, Indiana. My Hirsch ancestors immigrated from Mahlberg and landed at NYC in November 1847, and then almost immediately went to Madison on the Ohio River in Jefferson County, Indiana, where they purchased land in February, 1848. While Madison was a booming town at the time and had the first railroad in Indiana connecting the Ohio River with the interior of Indiana, I have always wondered why they chose to go to Madison, Indiana and whether there were other family members or families from Mahlberg who emigrated to Jefferson County, Indiana. My Fehr/Keller ancestors from Oberschopfheim also ended up in Madison, Indiana, and my great grandparents, Jacob Hirsch and Ludgarda Fehr, were married there in 1855. Same question -- why did the Fehr/Keller family go to Madison, Indiana? Were there other family members or families from Oberschopfheim who had also emigrated there? Looking through the 1850 Federal Census for Jefferson County (which identifies a number of persons as being from Baden), I am pretty sure that the Josef and Maria A. Elble family, who immigrated from Oberschopfheim in 1847, are residents of Jefferson County in 1850. Wendelin tells me that Joseph Elble's wife was Maria Anna Spitzmüller. The mother of my great, great grandmother, Ludgarda (Fehr nee Keller) Schneider, who immigrated with seven children in 1854 from Oberschopfheim after the death of her second husband, was also a Spitzmüller. This family connection may explain why she and her family ended up in Madison, Indiana, by the time of her daughter's marriage in 1855. 2. Ste. Genevieve County, Missouri. After their marriage in 1855, members of both the Hirsch and Fehr families moved to Cape Girardeau, Missouri, on the Mississippi River, but then in 1861, they moved to Ste. Genevieve County, Missouri. From what I have read, Cape Girardeau County was settled primarily by Germans from Hannover and Braunschweig, but that there was a large concentration of Germans from Baden in Ste. Genevieve County who settled in and around the towns of Zell, New Offenburg and Weingarten. I know that other families from Niederschopfheim, Oberschopfheim and Diersburg, such as the Samson and Feist families, also settled in this area for a time, and one of the Fehr girls, Helena, married Killian Samson. 3. Alton, Madison County, Illinois. The Hirsch family moved back to Cape Girardeau after the Civil War, but members of the Fehr Family (who had come from Oberschopfheim) moved to Alton, Madison County, Illinois. At http://www.iltrails.org/madison/index.html<about:blank>, one can find a list of the 1882 Patrons of Alton, which includes the following: Bruch, Victor: Alderman, b. Baden, Ger., came to Mad. Co. 1855. Walter, Thekla: Wife of John F. Hoffmeister, b. Oberschopfheim, Ba. Co. Ger., came to Mad. Co. 1852. Kohler, Franz: Fruit distillery & vineyard, b. Oberschopfheim Baden, Ger., came to Mad. Co. 1852. Einsele, Eleonora: Wife of Franz Kohler, b. Oberschopfheim Baden, Ger., came to Mad. Co. 1854. Pfaff, Valentine: Dealer in stoves & tinware, b. Niederschopfheim, Ger., came to Mad. Co. 1858. Schaub, Charley: Stock dealer & butcher, b. Niederschopfheim, Ger., came to Mad. Co. 1854. Schlageter, Beda: Turner, mfg. of parasols, umbrellas, etc. b. Oberschopfheim, Baden, came to Mad. Co. 1853. I know that later a John and Frank Gissler also emigrated from Oberschopfheim to Alton, and John Gissler was a pall bearer at the funeral of Kunigunde Fehr, the wife of Joseph Fehr and daughter of Valentine Pfaff. Looking at the above, it does appear that there is a pattern of persons from the same villages in Germany moving to the same places in the United States. Obviously many emigrants were attracted to the large cities along the Ohio and Mississippi Rivers such as St. Louis, Louisville and Cincinnati which provided much better opportunities for work, but I'd be curious if others of you had ancestors who emigrated to the three areas above and what other towns in the United States tended to attract emigrants from the Ortenau. Mike Hirsch

Several weeks ago, Rootsweb through its Help Desk link announced that, on a rolling basis, it was upgrading each of its Servers, starting with the Lists2 Server. Lists2 as a Server includes the Ortenau List. Something looked strange but I did not realize the specific difference when Wendelin on May 22 sent through his list of "more emigrants" found while he was researching old Baden newspapers. Apparently one of those Rootsweb upgrades had eliminated the word [Ortenau] from the message Subject Line. That one word is important particularly now when so many stray and dangerous e-mail messages are processed as a result of errant viri and worms. I have attempted to adjust the steps at Rootsweb to readd that word to the Subject Line. This message partly is a test to see if those efforts were completed correctly. -------------- For the favor portion of this message, I realize that many of we List members had known other of our List members on a personal e-mail basis before joining this List. For myself, I had prior contact with a number of members before this List was established and before I was invited to join the List. My problem today is that I would like to reach two List members and I wonder if anyone knows of either < [email protected] > or < [email protected] >. If so, would you please ask them to contact me off-List or offer me a more current e-mail address so that I might contact them. djweber [email protected]

Over the past several weeks there have been a number of new Ortenau List Members. This can be noted from the additional listings at the Search area of the Companion Pages. If you have not looked at your specific towns on those pages in recent weeks, I might suggest that you recheck those towns as you may find another involved in your towns and perhaps in your searched for families. There are a number of our List Members who are very intelligent in their specific Ortenau areas. While noting these new entries I realized that although I have only one family to search in this Ortenau area, that family moved around, married into families of other towns and spread through a large part of the northern Ortenau. Of the four major towns where my Sur/Saur/Sauer family was involved, I thought I knew many details about the towns and the families within those towns but then I realized that I will never know as much about Önsbach as Rose knows, that Beverly will always be smarter than I about the history of Zusenhofen and Dan will overshadow any knowledge I might learn about Urloffen. Add to those brilliant genealogists our Germany-located List Administrator and I believe that most questions I might ever ask could be answered by another on this List. If you are an old member of this List and have any questions about your ancestors and their lives that you have never asked, ask, you might find a wonderful surprise in answer to your question. If you are one of those new members of this List and have not formulated your question, think it over and offer your question about your ancestors. From the knowledge of those others on this List, you may learn more than you thought you could learn. djweber [email protected] And, for those new List members, remember all the availabilities of the Companion Pages, both Search possibilities, the Sources, the Links, the Map, etc. Maybe the best instruction would be for you to click away and see what you find. Your List Administrator has given us much more information than is available for most any other Rootsweb List.

Hi, some men who didn't observe the conscription and some of the Kinzigvalley who emigrated without permission. At first a addendum of 1831 because we have a member who is researching the name Fetz: 25 May 1831 Schuldenliquidation Oberkirch Der bürgerliche Schreiner Joseph Fez, Weber Franz Birk, Taglöhner Joseph Busam, Schneider Ignaz Ramelmeier, alle diese mit Familien Aurelia Sauer (oops, forget to notice the place, believe it's Önsbach) emigrated without permission in 1851 or prior. Kanonier August Ell, Fautenbach, unerlaubt entfernt, 1851. These men didn't observe the conscription in 1851: Johann Ludwig Weiß[ ], Altenheim Joseph Stoll, Bohlsbach Paulus Brüderle, Diersburg Fidel Rösch, Diersburg Vincenz Ekenfels, Durbach Carl Ilg, Durbach Alois Kiefer, Durbach Felix Müller, Durbach Ignaz Kiefer, Urloffen Anton Langenecker, Urloffen Anton Schneider ( ), Urloffen Carl Schneider, Urloffen Emigrated without permission before 1851: Haslach: Benjamin Armbruster Xaver Armbruster, butcher Magnus Bruker Joseph Bühler Johann Dreier Joseph Geiger, butcher Carl Herrmann Joseph Herrmann Georg Kasper Landolin Kasper Christian Neumaier Xaver Neumaier Arbogast Roser Serafin Schindele Joseph Uhl Nikolaus Wachtler Xaver Wachtler Hausach: Matthä Blattner Franziska Blattner Cäsar Gleichauf Eufrosine Gleichauf Klothilde Gleichauf Johann Evang. Preuß M. Anna Preuß Andreas Schmider, innkeeper Jakob Schmider, butcher Joseph Schweinbold Anselm Stähle Steinach: Rosa Allgeier Therese Allgeier Fabian Bek Genovefa Bek Joseph Bek Klara Bek Marianna Bek Anastasia Bohnert with child Xaver Buchholz Christian Eble Johann Eble Xaver Eble Joseph Hansjakob Joseph Hechinger Augustin Heitzmann Franz Anton Heitzmann Georg Jäkle Wallburga Kaltenbach Xaver Kaltenbach Georg Kaspar Philipp Kasper Wilhelm Kasper Joseph Krämer Matthias Krämer Theresia Kraier Creszentia Maier Genovefa Maier Landolin Maier M. Anna Maier Urban Maier Xaver Maier Zäzilia Maier Augustina Matt Constantina Matt Lorenz Matt Matthias Matt and family Matthias Moßmann, his wife Helena Fix, children Constantin and Carolina Moßmann M. Anna Mutschler Lorenz Oschwald Xaver Oschwald Konrad Ringwald Xaver Ringwald Sebastian Schwab Joseph Schwendemann Ursula Schwendemann Xaver Wagner, his wife and children M. Anna, Magdalena, Xaver and Philipp Wagner Andreas Säckinger Matthias Säckinger Joseph Schwendemann Fischerbach: Magdalena Räpple Schnellingen: Wilhelm Fix Sulzbach: Franziska Maier Welschenbollenbach: M. Anna Dierhold Georg Vollmer and his wife Katharina nee Ruf

In a message dated 5/14/2005 5:00:53 P.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: _http://auswanderer2.lad-bw.de/auswanderer/deutsch/index.htm_ (http://auswanderer2.lad-bw.de/auswanderer/deutsch/index.htm) >>>>>>>>>>>>>.. Disregard my last post. AOL puts symbols into phrases, sentences, etc etc Once I deleted the "=" in the above URL, it works like a charm. Beverly Mack Zanon Researching BADEN - NUSSBACH OFFENBURG ZUSENHOFEN MAISENBUHL SCHUTTERWALD PFOHREN LANGHURST IBACH KAPPELRODECK MAHLBERG WURTTEMBERG - NERENSTETTEN SETZINGEN LANGENAU ULM SONTHEIM http://hometown.aol.com/bzanon/myhomepage/index.html

In a message dated 5/14/2005 5:00:53 P.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: _http://auswanderer2.lad-bw.de/auswanderer/deutsch/index.htm_ (http://auswanderer2.lad-bw.de/auswanderer/deutsch/index.htm) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The following error message is what I get when attempting to access the above URL. HTTP Status 404 - /auswanderer/deutsch/ind=ex.htm Beverly Mack Zanon Researching BADEN - NUSSBACH OFFENBURG ZUSENHOFEN MAISENBUHL SCHUTTERWALD PFOHREN LANGHURST IBACH KAPPELRODECK MAHLBERG WURTTEMBERG - NERENSTETTEN SETZINGEN LANGENAU ULM SONTHEIM http://hometown.aol.com/bzanon/myhomepage/index.html

Maurine, The Ortenau is a Kreis (like an American County, almost) in Baden. Baden which was once a mish-mash of many countries and then was a Grand Duchy, today is part of the Federal State of Baden-Wuerttemberg (Baden-Württemberg) which includes the former countries/territories of Baden, of Wuerttemberg and of Hohenzollern. There are better maps available but, as per a previous message my files are not accessible at present. Two historic maps which might help would be < http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/shepherd/central_europe_1815_1866.jpg > and < http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/shepherd/central_europe_1812.jpg >. On the first URL, the approximate area of the Kingdom of Wuerttemberg is shown to the east, to the right of Baden. If you take Baden and notice the town of Offenburg which is just to the east of the identified Strasburg, Offenburg is somewhat the heart, the center of the Ortenau Kreis. From the second URL, again Wuerttemberg is in its location. The Ortenau now might be identified from the town of Kehl which is noted on this map. Offenburg is just to the east and again the Ortenau covers a somewhat circular area around Offenburg. There is a map of the town areas of the Ortenau (and a bit more) under the Karte tab at the companion site, < http://ortenau.speedyspace.de/ >. If this doesn't start to clarify the situation, yell at me and I can find a much more exact map when I get back to my own computer. djweber [email protected] --------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Maurine LeBlanc <[email protected]> Sent: May 13, 2005 8:22 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Ortenau] Location of Wurttemberg Greetings, A question - is Wurttemberg (spelling?) in the Ortenau area? A new correspondent says his ggrandfather came from Wurttemberg so I am checking for him. Thanks bunches, Maurine

Greetings, A question - is Wurttemberg (spelling?) in the Ortenau area? A new correspondent says his ggrandfather came from Wurttemberg so I am checking for him. Thanks bunches, Maurine

Linda, The URL has changed. I may be writing through my ISP but I am not home, I do not have use of my files and I may be too confused to answer you correctly. I think what you want is the new URL which replaces the one with the "8080" in it. George Meister posted the new URL in a message follow up addition/adjustment to one of my other confused comments last month on this List. Try < http://auswanderer2.lad-bw.de/auswanderer/deutsch/index.htm >. There have been comments by others recently that this web site in question is having something like "growing paiins" and its availability is off again and on again. It may have something to do with the browser used, though, as while I have not used this site to search anyone in specific recently, I have tried it when there has been an on-line comment of a problem and my Opera browser has reached the site every time with no problems. But check out the new URL and if you don't get through, try again a bit later. djweber [email protected] -------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Linda <[email protected]> Sent: May 13, 2005 2:12 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Ortenau] Staatliche Archivverwaltung Baden-Württemberg - Auswanderung aus Südwestdeutschland This url use to go to a German Web Site where I could put in names and search passenger lists to USA. This link isn't working does anyone have an new link to it, or is it still available? Linda The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: Shortcut to: http://auswanderer2.lad-bw.de:8080/auswanderer/deutsch/index.htm

This url use to go to a German Web Site where I could put in names and search passenger lists to USA. This link isn't working does anyone have an new link to it, or is it still available? Linda The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: Shortcut to: http://auswanderer2.lad-bw.de:8080/auswanderer/deutsch/index.htm

Hi, I made some updates on the webpage for the towns of the former district Oberkirch. ---------------- I am wondering if the newspapers of the districts Oberrheinkreis and Mittelrheinkreis had different lists of wanted men or if the published index of 1854 is incomplete. The newspaper of the district Mittelrhein-Kreis has additional names. Some examples: The following persons of Hofweier emigrated without permission: Peter Stubi (= Ruby), Ferdinand Göppert, Thomas Stölzle (= Stötzle), Hieronimus Schaub, Sophie Hagenmüller (= Hogenmüller), Pauline Gepp (= Gegg) and Xaver I[ ] from Niederschopfheim: Jakob Kopf and his wife, Markus Schilli from Achern: Joseph Herr (turner) and the widow of Ignaz Graf with her daughter - Wendelin

Appreciate the suggestion that I order all the film at once. The cost is so minimal anyway that if I take longer than the allowed time, I can renew them. I did that the last time. I'll keep my eyes open for the names you mentioned. Do you have an approximate date? Audrey __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Audrey, My suggestion would be to order the five films which you need, all at one time. Your first choice for searching and reading will be the Familienbuch. I would guarantee if you only ordered the Familienbuch that by the end of the first day of reading it, you would be wishing you had the accompanying films so that you could confirm dates, details, look for sponsors and witnesses and determine if your ancestors could or could not write their names. Remember the Familienbuch is the LEAST perfect of the films. It was prepared in part by research and not exact, day by day entries. Dates and even names in the Familienbuch can be incorrect. Double check your wanted Familienbuch information against the exact Rite details. Most of the years of records in all of these five Registers will be in Latin rather than in German script. That will be easier to read. Officially, the change in language was 1810 but most of the Catholic Churches continued until about 1830 with double entries, one book in Latin and one book in German script for those double entries. And, when you have finished, if you believe that I have made you spend too much money, ordering all five call numbers at once, if the Familienbuch might have a page or part of a page on the family of Ignaz Stecher and his wife, Maria Kleophe Hofer it is possible, but not too probable, that you could recoup part of your mental feeling of being taken financially by dangling that Familienbuch information in front of my nose. djweber [email protected] ---------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey Kanavel" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 4:13 PM Subject: [Ortenau] Ordering film from LDS for Renchen, Baden >I am getting ready to order film to check records for > Renchen, Baden. Not knowing German, it is a slow > process for me. I did this twice before and thanks to > some help, made no mistakes as far as ordering the > correct numbers. > > I need to check records (Catholic) for baptisms, > marriages and deaths for the years covering middle > 1700's to middle 1800's and then see where I go from > there. Would I be better served by ordering the > Familienbush first? Then after I see what it > contains, order the baptism, marriage and death > records? > > Right now, it looks like I will be needing 5 different > films. > > Appreciate any suggestions. > > Audrey > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ==== DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Mailing List ==== > List your surnames at the Ortenau Search web site > < http://ortenau.speedyspace.de/search/ >. > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > >

I am getting ready to order film to check records for Renchen, Baden. Not knowing German, it is a slow process for me. I did this twice before and thanks to some help, made no mistakes as far as ordering the correct numbers. I need to check records (Catholic) for baptisms, marriages and deaths for the years covering middle 1700's to middle 1800's and then see where I go from there. Would I be better served by ordering the Familienbush first? Then after I see what it contains, order the baptism, marriage and death records? Right now, it looks like I will be needing 5 different films. Appreciate any suggestions. Audrey __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hi, I included as new source the family names of the Rench valley. It lists some names and the meaning of these names. I believe the most interesting sources for members are surnames, names of emigrants and such data. If someone has other sources (I know some members have books of towns) and is willing to share these, please write to me. Als neue Quelle habe ich die Familiennamen des Renchtales eingefügt. Sie listet einige Namen und die Bedeutung dieser Namen auf. Ich glaube die interessanteste Quelle für Mitglieder sind Nachnamen, Namen von Auswanderern und ähnliche Daten. Falls jemand andere Quellen hat (ich weiß dass einige Mitglieder Bücher von Orten haben) und willens ist diese zu teilen, dann schreibe bitte an mich. Thanks, Wendelin

Beverly, Thank you for the lead for the views from Oberkirch. I have entered them on the Links page, < http://ortenau.speedyspace.de/search/ > and I have split them up for three separate listings: < http://www.oberkirch.de/inhalt/aktuelles/pages/panorama/nussbach/nussbach_panorama_m.html > shows Nußbach from the Oberkirch location. < http://www.oberkirch.de/inhalt/aktuelles/pages/panorama/oberkirch_panorama_m.html > covers the other Oberkirch views including the views toward the Schloss Schauenburg. < http://www.oberkirch.de/inhalt/aktuelles/pages/panorama/zusenhofen/zusenhofen_panorama_m.html > identifies the Zusenhofen view from Oberkirch. For List members who would want to view or search any of the pages at the Links location, unless you have your computer set up not to recognize the the blue underscored URL, a click on that URL should take you to the page. If you have a different configuration for your computer, considering the length of some of the URLs, I strongly suggest a "copy and paste" rather than a retyping of the URL....but then most of you are probably better at coordinating reading and typing than I am. djweber [email protected]