DJ, Wendelin and Rose, Thank you for your fine input, as usual. You are great!! With what you sent, Wendelin, I can now put some pieces together. Thanks again. Maurine

If you come across any information on Obert from Sts. Peter & Paul in Welschensteinach it would be appreciated. Heinrich Obert is my ggggrandfather. I would be interested in any brothers he may have had and potentially their children. I am trying to track the relationship of a Xaver (Xavier) Obert to Heinrich's son, Sebastian. Sebastian was the Godfather of Xaver's daughter. Xaver may have also gone by Franz Xaver or Xaver Franz. I know there was a Xaver Obert from Bollenbach... not too far from Welschensteinach. According to Xaver's gravestone, he was born in 1822. Thanks for any help you can provide. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 12:45 PM Subject: [Ortenau] Re: DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-D Digest V05 #44 > Hello Baden researchers, > > I am just in Freiburg in Breisgau to research my BUTZ, FRANK, FRANCK, > FRANCKH, HENSLE, GOETZ, GOTT, GOETTIN, ESCHLER ancestors on micro films in the > Erzbischoefliches Archiv for the catholic Baden parishs. > If you need some information, tell me. > > Ewald Butz > > > ==== DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Mailing List ==== > < http://www.heavens-above.com/countries.asp > can be searched for neighboring towns if you fear that one of your ancestors moved to or from your searched town. > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > >

Hello Baden researchers, I am just in Freiburg in Breisgau to research my BUTZ, FRANK, FRANCK, FRANCKH, HENSLE, GOETZ, GOTT, GOETTIN, ESCHLER ancestors on micro films in the Erzbischoefliches Archiv for the catholic Baden parishs. If you need some information, tell me. Ewald Butz

In einer eMail vom 06.06.2005 00:00:40 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt [email protected]: http://home.t-online.de/home/horst.grieshaber/ahn_wfg.htm Hello Pat, this Griehaber site doesn´ t exist no longer, because the sites of this provider are hosted in a new frame. Perhaps try it in google. Ewald Butz, Germany

Hi Rose, > By any chance do you have the parents of Maria Magdalena Ernst who > married 8 May 1769 in Achern to Franz Joseph Derenger? > These Derenger's sure were moving a lot her parents were: Bernhard Ernst, host in the "Ochsen" and Juliana Zeller - Wendelin

Maurine, I have the impression all Derndinger/Derendinger in that area were related. Franz Joseph Derendinger, host in Achern, married Maria Magdalena Ernst in Achern 8 May 1769. His father was Michael Derendinger who was host in the inn "Grüner Baum" in Heiligenzell. The eldest son of the couple Derendinger-Ernst was Franz Ignaz (* 7 October 1775). He was brewer and moved to Haguenau in Alsace (between 1790 and 1800) where he was named Francois Ignace. He died in 1847. Stefan Derndinger from Ichenheim married Katharina Ehret in Niederschopfheim 10 September 1742. Katharina Ehret's 1st husband was the miller Adam Ehret. Katharina died in 1750 and Stefan married Anna Maria Wurth 11 January 1751. Their son was Stefan Derndinger (1765-1798) who married Ursula Ehrhardt (1767-1828) 10 January 1791. .... Jakob Anton Derndinger was born in Ichenheim. He was a tradesman and owner of a glassworks (at 1st near Diersburg, later in Offenburg). He rented the coal-mines near Berghaupten in 1818, later also near Diersburg. He was partner of a firm in Oppenau which produced pitchers or mugs (I. A. Derndinger und Sohler), lived since 1829 in Offenburg, hauled lime and gypsum in Zunsweier, Kenzingen, Niederschopfheim, Herbolzheim, Breisach, Oppenau, Steinbach. - Wendelin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurine LeBlanc" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 4:54 AM Subject: [Ortenau] Derendinger surname > DJ, > > Unfortunately for me I do not have all the Derendinger data available. Only > about half a page from the Ichenheim kinship book. Thank you for your kind > offer. > > Glad you found the Grieshaber site! > > Till later - Maurine > >

Wendelin Irslinger wrote: >Maurine, > >I have the impression all Derndinger/Derendinger in that area were related. > >Franz Joseph Derendinger, host in Achern, married Maria Magdalena Ernst in >Achern 8 May 1769. >His father was Michael Derendinger who was host in the inn "Grüner Baum" in >Heiligenzell. >The eldest son of the couple Derendinger-Ernst was Franz Ignaz (* 7 October >1775). He was brewer and moved to Haguenau in Alsace (between 1790 and 1800) >where he was named Francois Ignace. He died in 1847. > >Stefan Derndinger from Ichenheim married Katharina Ehret in Niederschopfheim >10 September 1742. Katharina Ehret's 1st husband was the miller Adam Ehret. >Katharina died in 1750 and Stefan married Anna Maria Wurth 11 January 1751. >Their son was Stefan Derndinger (1765-1798) who married Ursula Ehrhardt >(1767-1828) 10 January 1791. >.... > > >Jakob Anton Derndinger was born in Ichenheim. He was a tradesman and owner of >a glassworks (at 1st near Diersburg, later in Offenburg). >He rented the coal-mines near Berghaupten in 1818, later also near Diersburg. >He was partner of a firm in Oppenau which produced pitchers or mugs (I. A. >Derndinger und Sohler), lived since 1829 in Offenburg, hauled lime and gypsum >in Zunsweier, Kenzingen, Niederschopfheim, Herbolzheim, Breisach, Oppenau, >Steinbach. > >- Wendelin > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Maurine LeBlanc" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 4:54 AM >Subject: [Ortenau] Derendinger surname > > > > >>DJ, >> >>Unfortunately for me I do not have all the Derendinger data available. Only >>about half a page from the Ichenheim kinship book. Thank you for your kind >>offer. >> >>Glad you found the Grieshaber site! >> >>Till later - Maurine >> >> >> >> > > > > Wendelin, By any chance do you have the parents of Maria Magdalena Ernst who married 8 May 1769 in Achern to Franz Joseph Derenger? These Derenger's sure were moving a lot Rose >==== DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Mailing List ==== >A list of Historic and Current towns of the Ortenau can be found at >< http://ortenau.speedyspace.de/ >. > >============================== >Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >New content added every business day. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > >

Thank you so much for answering my query. I thought that it was something that I was doing wrong. Glad to hear that it wasn't just me. :-) I will give a try using a google search and see if I have any luck. All the best, Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "djweber" <[email protected]> To: "Pat Zipf" <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 11:58 PM Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Re: German Genealogy Site > Pat, > > With Maurine finding the web site at a cached address, it may be hard to > relocate. > > Herr Grieshaber had been a member of this List at one time. He entered a > number of surnames and his web site address on many of our Search Pages. > That web site URL is no longer a live URL and you are referred to the home > ISP location. > > For Maurine to have found the information, I might guess she used a < > google.com > search and using the < cached > portion to read a no longer > existing web page. I tried a < google.com > search for < grieshaber + > horst > + genealogy > and had a number of hits. Several looked promising but I > didn't find the one Maurine had found and I ended up with the ISP home > page > in each instance. Although, along the way I did see reference to a number > of his surnames. > > Perhaps one of our capable List members living in Germany may know Herr > Grieshaber and be able to give us a current URL for his web site....unless > Maurine can give us her miracle of how she got to that cached site. > > djweber > [email protected] > ---------------------------- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat Zipf" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 10:03 PM > Subject: [Ortenau] Re: German Genealogy Site > > >> Hello Maurine and the List, >> >> I can't seem to get to the information. What do I do when I get to the >> first screen? It looks something like a 'Yahoo' screen...but in German. >> How do I find the Horst Grieshaber website? >> Thanks for the help....and the information. >> All the best, >> Pat > >

DJ, Unfortunately for me I do not have all the Derendinger data available. Only about half a page from the Ichenheim kinship book. Thank you for your kind offer. Glad you found the Grieshaber site! Till later - Maurine

Maurine, Pat, This appears to be the answer. Go to < google.com > and enter your search item as < derendinger + grieshaber > and search. If you find, < Ahnen W F Grieshaber > near the top from your search, do not click on it or on the "translate". Click on the "Cached" link. The web page is no longer a live page but the Cached copy does come up. The old web page address was: < http://home.t-online.de/home/Horst.Grieshaber/ahn_wfg.htn >. Maurine, your "Nicht Bekannt" should mean "not known". You originally said you found this page while searching the Derendinger surname. I am certain I have no connection for you unless you have a Derendinger sibling who left your home area and went to Achern. I have a Valentin Derendinger, Abt 1769 to October 15, 1828 whose third wife was Maria Lugardis Saur (this was her second marriage), no children, just a happy marriage of two old folk...but if he fits for you, I do have a little information. djweber [email protected]

Good Morning, I use Google as my search engine and came across the Grieshaber site upon searching the Derendinger name. I printed out the site and at the top of the first page is this: This is Google's text-only Cache of http://t-online.de/home/Horst.Grieshaber/ahn-wfg.htm as retrieved on May 23, 2005 10:17:45. GMT. Google's cache is the snapshot that we took of the page as we crawled the web. The page may have changed since that time. Click here for the current page without highlighting. Click here for the full cached page with images included. Originally, when I came to the site, it was the t-online (in German) with no indication of genealogy information. I did click the cached page and then the Grieshaber data came up. Sure hope you find it, lots of information (eleven pages of names and dates)! Chao - Maurine

Hello Maurine and the List, I can't seem to get to the information. What do I do when I get to the first screen? It looks something like a 'Yahoo' screen...but in German. How do I find the Horst Grieshaber website? Thanks for the help....and the information. All the best, Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurine LeBlanc" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 3:51 PM Subject: German Genealogy Site > Just today I found the genealogy site of Vorfahren von Wilhelm Ferdinand > Grieshaber. On his site is listed a lot of the surnames being researched > by > some of our members. It was a little tricky (for me at least) getting to > his > data, had to go to cached text. Here is his website: > http://home.t-online.de/home/horst.grieshaber/ahn_wfg.htm > > Some of the surnames listed are: Grieshaber, Rudolf, Nautascher, Späth, > Herr, Siegenführ, Wendle, Bläsi, Kramer, Weymann, Lehmann, Fäßler, Jäger, > Zeil, Vetter, Wurth, Sassauer, Benz, Schimpf, Utz, Ehret, Nautascher, > Alber > and many more. > > Question, does Nicht Bekannt mean date unknown? > > Till later - Maurine > > ______________________________

Pat, With Maurine finding the web site at a cached address, it may be hard to relocate. Herr Grieshaber had been a member of this List at one time. He entered a number of surnames and his web site address on many of our Search Pages. That web site URL is no longer a live URL and you are referred to the home ISP location. For Maurine to have found the information, I might guess she used a < google.com > search and using the < cached > portion to read a no longer existing web page. I tried a < google.com > search for < grieshaber + horst + genealogy > and had a number of hits. Several looked promising but I didn't find the one Maurine had found and I ended up with the ISP home page in each instance. Although, along the way I did see reference to a number of his surnames. Perhaps one of our capable List members living in Germany may know Herr Grieshaber and be able to give us a current URL for his web site....unless Maurine can give us her miracle of how she got to that cached site. djweber [email protected] ---------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Zipf" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 10:03 PM Subject: [Ortenau] Re: German Genealogy Site > Hello Maurine and the List, > > I can't seem to get to the information. What do I do when I get to the > first screen? It looks something like a 'Yahoo' screen...but in German. > How do I find the Horst Grieshaber website? > Thanks for the help....and the information. > All the best, > Pat

Hello---My Grandfather's family came from Ottenhoefen, Baden, Germany. They were MICHAEL and MARIA ANNA SCHWEIGLER GAISER (1844-1905) my Grandfather, MICHAEL and his younger brother JOSEPH emigrated to Utica, New York in 1883 and 1890. The ship manifest said "to meet family in Utica, NY" There were many Germans who settled in that area but as yet I can't find who they went there to meet. Michael was 17 yrs. at the time. Their siblings all remained in Ottenhofen and I have recently obtained a list of Gaisers listed in the current phone book for that town. I picked one of the 13 listed and wrote a letter inquiring about ancestors. My Father's Mother's family came from Baden (?town) and emigrated to Syracuse, New York, where there was also a large German population. They arrived In Syracuse around 1850-1860. Some of their names were-DISSEL, HOFFMAN, ECKERMAN, THOMASMEYER. Any info on any of these relatives would be appreciated. Thanks, Toni Walier McCarthy

Just today I found the genealogy site of Vorfahren von Wilhelm Ferdinand Grieshaber. On his site is listed a lot of the surnames being researched by some of our members. It was a little tricky (for me at least) getting to his data, had to go to cached text. Here is his website: http://home.t-online.de/home/horst.grieshaber/ahn_wfg.htm Some of the surnames listed are: Grieshaber, Rudolf, Nautascher, Späth, Herr, Siegenführ, Wendle, Bläsi, Kramer, Weymann, Lehmann, Fäßler, Jäger, Zeil, Vetter, Wurth, Sassauer, Benz, Schimpf, Utz, Ehret, Nautascher, Alber and many more. Question, does Nicht Bekannt mean date unknown? Till later - Maurine

DJ, Again thank you for doing a find job! Maurine

Dear Friends, Thus far in my research efforts, all of my emigrating Stecher/Behrle ancestors of Renchen, Baden, emigrated to St. Louis, via Perry County, MO, from about 1868 through 1891. All of the Stechers moved on to St. Louis; many of the Behrle's remained in Perry County. Beginning in the mid-1890's, 3 of the Stecher brothers and families moved from St. Louis (Stecher Cooperage Works), to Murphysboro, IL, establishing Rudolph Stecher Brewing Co. Kindest regards, Linda Rains

After all of that information I suppose I should say that: Joseph Fetz b. Oberkirch, Baden Maria Anna Schappage b. Oberkirch, Baden children: Maria Theresia Fetz Joseph Fetz Karl Fetz Left Oberkirch, Baden 1831 departed from Havre aboard Ship General Hamilton and arrived in New York Aug 25, 1831 settled in Floyd County Indiana,.& Nashville Tenn. Tony Fetz

In reply to your question as to how and when my German emigrant family arrived in America I lend you this information as we have it documented. The Fetz Family that I descended from Joseph Fetz, his wife Maria Anna Schappage and there three children, Theresia, Joseph and Karl came from Loh, Oberkirch, Baden. They were listed as farmers on the ships List of the General Hamilton that sailed from Havre, now Le Havre in 1831. Arriving in New York City on Aug. 25, 1831. This family somehow made their way to Louisville , Ky. by 1833. Probably, but without documentation to prove it, down the Ohio River to Louisville which at that time was a large shipping port to the western region of the United States. The eldest child, a daughter, Theresia married a man that sailed on the same vessel with the Fetz Family by the name of Anton Werner. Anton Werner traveled with three of his siblings and what was believed to be a cousin on the General Jackson to America. Upon arrival in America Anton Werner changed his name to Anthony Warner. For what reason no one knows. Maria Theresia Fetz and Anthong Warner were married in New Albany, Indiana across the river from Louisville, Ky. in 1833. By 1835 Anthony and Theresia moved to Nashville Tennessee with a son that had been born earlier. In 1836 Joseph and Maria Anna Fetz were operating a Coffee House and Boarding House along with there son Karl Fetz. (Louisville City Directory). In 1837 Joseph Fetz, Sr. while living in Louisville, purchased two 40 acre parcels of land in Greenville, Township, Floyd County, Indiana. (Floyd County Land Records) There is no evidence that this Fetz's moved to Indiana at this time because in 1838-39 the Louisville City Directory lists Joseph and Maria Ann Fetz as operating a Coffee House and Boarding House along with there son Karl on the east side of 5th street between Main and Water streets. In those times a coffee house was a forerunner of a family owned or corner grocery store. In 1842 Joseph and Maria Anna deed the two parcels of land in Greenville Township and their part of the ownership over to their two sons Joseph and Karl. They then moved to Nashville Tenn. where their daughter and son-in-law Anthony Warner had moved earlier. In 1843 Joseph and Maria Anna bought property in Nashville consisting of a lot that fronted College Street. The Nashville City Directory shows Joseph Fetz as operating a family grocery at that location in 1855-1857. By 1858 the property on College street was deed over to Joseph and Maria's daughter and son-in-law and they moved back to Indiana where they bought property from their son Karl who had moved the Coffee House in Louisville to New Albany, Indiana only a year earlier. However their stay in Indiana was brief. After the death of their son Karl in 1859 his widow Elizabeth (Wertz) Fetz obtained the property back on a court order dated Dec 02,1959. Before the end of the year Joseph and Maria Anna were living in Covington, Ky. Maria bought a piece of property in Kenton County, Ky. on Sept. 01, 1864. Joseph Fetz Sr. died in Covington , Ky. on May 21, 1868. His body was taken back to Nashville and buried in the Warner plot at Mount Olivet Cemetery in Nashville. Mary sold the property in Covington in July of 1868 and move to Nashville to live with her daughter Theresia and son-in-law. Maria Anna Fetz died March 05, 1871 in her daughters home and was buried with her husband Joseph. Joseph Fetz and his wife Maria Anna were well traveled after coming to live in America. But in each place that they lived was a large group of German immigrants. Louisville Ky., Nashville, Tenn., Covington, Ky. directly across the river from Cincinnati, Oh. were all large German populations. Perhaps this family had a hard time finding a place like they were use to living in Oberkirch. The children seen to settle down more than the parents. Theresia spent her entire life in America with exception of the first couple of years, in Nashville, Tenn. with her large family. Joseph went to farming in Greenville Township, Indiana and died on his farm at the age of 76 years. Karl, from whom I was a descendant, died early in life at the age of 44 years, but lived primarily in Indiana and Louisville once he arrived in America. Tony Fetz

With Maurine's addition, I probably shoud rewrite my emigrant information to fit with my original thoughts for that attempt to determine some sort of statistic. Most of the List Members who have been involved for some length of time on this List know that I have a brain to typing finger coordination which just doesn't mesh. I type the wrong word, such as "out" rather than "our" and with those typing fingers, I can skip a word, a phrase, a I-don't-know-how-much. Luckily most of you have learned to read my mind or perhaps you've learned not to care about what I didn't say. But, in my prior note, I meant to offer the family name, the departed town in Baden, the year of emigration, the port of arrival and the County where the family settled. Of course, I skipped the town from which they departed and no way would your ESP be that good to know the missing link. So....the family of Landolin Sauer left Großweier in 1853 landing at New York City and settling in Cuyahoga County, Ohio. djweber [email protected]