DJ, I am sending this email for two reasons. You had said that ISPs might be kicking out Rootsweb as spam. This is one reason for writing - will see if my email gets through. In reviewing one of your earlier emails I came across the reference to a 1993 reprint of the Ichenheim kinship book. The German individual that sent me portions of the Ichenheim book said it was published in the 1970s. Do you know the availability of the 1993 publication and if I can purchase such? My thank you!! Maurine

Hello Wendelin, > Some of my ancestors are from Kirnbach (I suppose next to > Wolfach/Hausach/Hornberg). As I can find some data of 17th century in > the church book of Zell/Harmersbach, some data is missing there. So, who > can tell me to which parish Kirnbach (roman cath.) belonged in the > 17th/18th century? Was it Hausach, Wolfach or Hornberg? There are 2 Kirnbach: A hamlet which I believe belongs to Unterharmersbach: parish Zell. But it's maybe possible that some people went to the church in Oberharmersbach. The town Kirnbach south of Wolfach. An own parish but protestant. Thanks a lot (and sorry fort he 2nd attempt, I didn´t get my first email here) - I guess Kirnbach part of Oberharmersbach sounds likely. I will check this church book soon! Bye for now, have a nice Sunday!! Kurt.

Hello Kurt, > Some of my ancestors are from Kirnbach (I suppose next to > Wolfach/Hausach/Hornberg). As I can find some data of 17th century in > the church book of Zell/Harmersbach, some data is missing there. So, who > can tell me to which parish Kirnbach (roman cath.) belonged in the > 17th/18th century? Was it Hausach, Wolfach or Hornberg? There are 2 Kirnbach: A hamlet which I believe belongs to Unterharmersbach: parish Zell. But it's maybe possible that some people went to the church in Oberharmersbach. The town Kirnbach south of Wolfach. An own parish but protestant. - Wendelin

To All Ortenau List Members.... Yesterday a message from Kurt Erlemann about Kirnbach came through to my inbox but not in the normal way of a Rootsweb Ortenau List message. The word "Ortenau" did not precede the Subject, there was no Ortenau Tagline as well as no Rootsweb Tagline and the message was not processed into the Ortenau List Archives. This appears to be connected to one of the current Message statements on the Rootsweb Help Page....but in reverse. The Rootsweb message is: "Mail Blocked by ISPs: "2005-09-01 "Several ISPs are blocking mail from us, especially the RootsWeb Review and Message Board My Notifications. Currently blocking this mail is hotmail.com, bellsouth.net, cox.net, attglobal.net, juno.com, email.msn.com, msn.com, netzero.com, netzero.net, and some other smaller providers. Domains that are possibly being blocked are earthlink.net, earthlink.com, ix.netcom.com (tied to earthlink), sprintmail.com (also tied to earthlink)and verizon.net. "Please let your ISP know that you want mail from RootsWeb.com as well as: [email protected] (for the RootsWeb Review) [email protected] (for My Notifications) and that they are not spam." --------------- Kurt's message has now reappeared but there is the suggestion that for some reason Rootsweb is not accepting messages from his ISP. For my own ISP which is one of the Rootsweb above-listed-tabooed ISPs, I have found one Rootsweb message caught in the Spam Filter but only one so far. While Rootsweb is going through this current problem, if you send a message to the List and you do not receive it back through the List and your message is not archived, please let me know. If such a message does disappear in Rootsweb processing, I would attempt to resend your message so that all might receive your question or your information. djweber [email protected]

DJ, Thank you very much for remembering me and my questions to you. I would say your memory is quite well. That was so time ago that I ask about those maps and received them from you. For you to associate me with those maps now only proves how great a memory that you do have. Thanks DJ for the update. They look great and the pictures are very, very nice as well..... Tony

Tony, Blame it on my being too old and maybe too rigid in memory. I had < http://www.oberkirch.de/inhalt/oberkirch/pages/obk_e.html > tucked away in my computer map folder but I hadn't tied it into the Links or into your wants. Pull up < http://www.oberkirch.de/inhalt/oberkirch/pages/obk_e.html >, click on any of its links to its consolidated towns, Nußbach, Bottenau, Ringelbach, Ödsbach, Tiergarten, Haslach or Butschbach Hesselbach...then click on the word "Stadtplan". You will have a map of your area covering all your wanted towns. You can play around with the map to obtain more exact maps of each area within the overall map and while you are clicking through to get the map, you will find various pictures and details on the overall consolidated town. djweber [email protected]

Over the past several days several additional links have been added at < http://ortenau.genealogy-bw.de/search/ >. These new links are primarily Tourism and Church Information pages with Offenburg and Oberkirch as the two main towns although Rammersweier and Weingarten share one of the Offenburg pages. djweber [email protected]

In a message dated 8/21/2005 7:37:48 A.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: How far back do obituaries go? I really don't know. I have some death notices and/or memorials from 1888 from Landeshut, Schlesien, Prussia, now Kamienna Góra, Jeleniogorskie, Poland. Just taking a shot in the dark. Will have to wait for the actual dates to see. Chuck Schober ----Melissa, Texas

How far back do obituaries go? In our area, there are very few before 1900, and only obituaries exist if the family pays for them. The ones before 1900-1910 don't give that much information. Also, even the earlier 1900's obituaries don't give the names of siblings or parents who had already died prior to that time. Carol -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 10:48 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Re: Lahr Baden In a message dated 8/20/2005 1:39:46 P.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: What do you hope to find in old newspapers? I was going to look for my GG-Grandfathers' obituary, before 1860, when I find the exact date of their deaths. Thanks for the response Wendelin. I now have the correct address in my address book. Thanks Chuck Schober ----Melissa, Texas ==== DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Mailing List ==== < http://www.heavens-above.com/countries.asp > can be searched for neighboring towns if you fear that one of your ancestors moved to or from your searched town. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

In a message dated 8/20/2005 1:39:46 P.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: What do you hope to find in old newspapers? I was going to look for my GG-Grandfathers' obituary, before 1860, when I find the exact date of their deaths. Thanks for the response Wendelin. I now have the correct address in my address book. Thanks Chuck Schober ----Melissa, Texas

Chuck, > To: <[email protected]> the address is: [email protected] > Does anyone know what newspapers might have been available in 1865 for the > Lahr area? yes. As far as I know there was only 1 newspaper in Lahr. The "Lahrer Wochenblatt" was one of the 1st newspapers in this area. It seems it was published weekly till 1866, was published 6 times per week under the name "Ortenauer Tagblatt und Lahrer Wochenblatt" in 1867 und 1868, and changed the name to "Lahrer Zeitung" in 1869. What do you hope to find in old newspapers? - Wendelin

Hello Rose, > Joseph born 1 Nov 1839 in Baden > Anthony born 1841 in Ontario, Canada then he could be Anton Hund of Renchen. He asked for permission to emigrate for 6 persons in 1839. Nr 247946 Name Hund, Anton Ort Renchen, OG Amt Achern (ACH) Emigrationsjahr 1839 Zielland Nordamerika insgesamt 6 Personen; - Wendelin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter & Rose Goutbeck" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 5:28 PM Subject: [Ortenau] Hund& Baudendistel > Dear willing to help fellow genealogist, > > Barb Ericson send me the information regarding Hund/ Baudendistel, > > Anton or Anthony Hund was born about 1809 in Baden Germany, He married > Catharina Baudendistel who was born about 1810 in Baden. > Their children are > Joseph born 1 Nov 1839 in Baden > Anthony born 1841 in Ontario, Canada > Mary born 1844 in Ontario, Canada > Barbara born 1846 in Ontario, Canada > John born 1849 in Wilmot Township, Waterloo County, Ontario, Canada > Philip born about 1853 in Ontario, Canada > Andrew born about 1855 in Ontario, Canada. > > There is a record of Anthony Hund living in 1848 in Waterloo County, > Ontario, Canada > They moved to Bruce County by 1863 (based on daughter Mary;s residence > at the time of her wedding. > > There is a Anthony Hundt in the 1871 census of Carrick, Bruce South, > Ontario. > > Anthony Hund is my ancestor. My mother is a Hund > This all from Barb Ericson. > > That should narrow down the search. A place of origin is needed. > > Rose Goutbeck nee Weber

Dear willing to help fellow genealogist, Barb Ericson send me the information regarding Hund/ Baudendistel, Anton or Anthony Hund was born about 1809 in Baden Germany, He married Catharina Baudendistel who was born about 1810 in Baden. Their children are Joseph born 1 Nov 1839 in Baden Anthony born 1841 in Ontario, Canada Mary born 1844 in Ontario, Canada Barbara born 1846 in Ontario, Canada John born 1849 in Wilmot Township, Waterloo County, Ontario, Canada Philip born about 1853 in Ontario, Canada Andrew born about 1855 in Ontario, Canada. There is a record of Anthony Hund living in 1848 in Waterloo County, Ontario, Canada They moved to Bruce County by 1863 (based on daughter Mary;s residence at the time of her wedding. There is a Anthony Hundt in the 1871 census of Carrick, Bruce South, Ontario. Anthony Hund is my ancestor. My mother is a Hund This all from Barb Ericson. That should narrow down the search. A place of origin is needed. Rose Goutbeck nee Weber

Another site from the German Embassy group of newsletters which could interest family genealogists .... < http://www.germany-info.org/relaunch/culture/ger_americans/paper.html >. This site is titled "Waves of German Immigrants Embrace America" with short sections on "German ancestry prevalent in the US", "Why they left", "Where they settled, what they did" along with various other related paragraphs. djweber [email protected]

Good morning, Bruce Hmmmmmm..... Let me think on this. Like DJ said, all these surnames are popular thruout the Oberkirch area. I don't have film available for these towns either. Have you run them thru http://www.familysearch.org? I am forever finding some clues doing this. Beverly -----Original Message----- From: Bruce A. Spade [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 10:24 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Ortenau] RE: Hund/ Baudendistel Hi Beverly, In the last few days I found the birth record of my Franciska Panther born 16 Feb 1780 in the Oberkirch area. Do you know of these BUSAM's From her baptismal record, her last name was spelled as PANTHER; her parents were listed as Georg PANTHER and Theresia BUSAMIN, citizens residing in Grimmersbach. Her godfather was Melchoir HOFFERER of Hesselbach and her godmother was M. Magdalena, daughter of Anton BUSAM , a citizen of Hesselbach. Thank you, Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beverly Zanon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 7:32 AM Subject: [Ortenau] RE: Hund/ Baudendistel > Good morning Rose, > > I am not saying your Hund and Baudendistel's came from my ancestor's hometowns but they are surnames that can be found in the Oberkirch area. > > My BUSAM's come from the Nussbach area and both your ancestor names > can be found in the church books there. My BUSAM's married into both HUND & BAUDENDISTEL families in the 1800's. > > Microfilm for the Parish registers of Nußbach, Zusenhofen, Schlatten, Diebersbach, Maisenbühl, Herztal. Baptisms, marriages, deaths can be ordered and viewed at your local LDS Family History Center. Below you will find the film contents and numbers. > > Nußbach: Taufen, Heiraten, Tote 1637-1669, 1691-1786 - FHL INTL Film > [ 958811 ] > Taufen 1786-1900 Heiraten 1738-1900 Tote 1786-1824 - FHL INTL Film [ 958812 ] > Tote 1825-1900 Taufen, Heiraten, Tote 1825-1900 (FILIALEN: Zusenhofen, Herztal, Maisenbühl) Taufen, Heiraten, Tote 1864-1900 (Bottenau) - FHL INTL Film [ 958813 ] > > Good luck, > > Beverly Mack Zanon > Researching NUSSBACH ZUSENHOFEN MAISENBUHL HERZTAL > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter & Rose Goutbeck [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 4:54 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Hund/ Baudendistel > > > Anton Hund/Hundt and his wife is Catharina Badendistel/ Baudendistel > immigrated to Bruce County, was in Carrick Township, listed in 1871 > census, Ontario, Canada. Searching for where they come from. Maybe > Oberkirch or in that general area. Any help would be greatly > appreciated. Rose Goutbeck in Alberta Canada > > ______________________________ > > > ==== DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Mailing List ==== > List your surnames at the Ortenau Search web site > < http://ortenau.speedyspace.de/search/ >. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and > the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 > months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > ______________________________

Karl, This year a layover in Frankfurt airport on our way to Northern Italy to walk where my husband's ancestors walked. Next year, Germany, so I can walk where my ancestor's walked. And your home is a definite stop on our agenda if we come your way. Your cousin thru marriage many times removed, Beverly -----Original Message----- From: Karl Völk [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:47 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Ortenau] RE: Hund/ Baudendistel You are a good girl, helping everybody as I can see. What about coming to Germany? Greetings Karl (for instance Oktoberfest) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beverly Zanon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 4:32 PM Subject: [Ortenau] RE: Hund/ Baudendistel Good morning Rose, I am not saying your Hund and Baudendistel's came from my ancestor's hometowns but they are surnames that can be found in the Oberkirch area. My BUSAM's come from the Nussbach area and both your ancestor names can be found in the church books there. My BUSAM's married into both HUND & BAUDENDISTEL families in the 1800's. Microfilm for the Parish registers of Nußbach, Zusenhofen, Schlatten, Diebersbach, Maisenbühl, Herztal. Baptisms, marriages, deaths can be ordered and viewed at your local LDS Family History Center. Below you will find the film contents and numbers. Nußbach: Taufen, Heiraten, Tote 1637-1669, 1691-1786 - FHL INTL Film [ 958811 ] Taufen 1786-1900 Heiraten 1738-1900 Tote 1786-1824 - FHL INTL Film [ 958812 ] Tote 1825-1900 Taufen, Heiraten, Tote 1825-1900 (FILIALEN: Zusenhofen, Herztal, Maisenbühl) Taufen, Heiraten, Tote 1864-1900 (Bottenau) - FHL INTL Film [ 958813 ] Good luck, Beverly Mack Zanon Researching NUSSBACH ZUSENHOFEN MAISENBUHL HERZTAL -----Original Message----- From: Peter & Rose Goutbeck [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 4:54 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Hund/ Baudendistel Anton Hund/Hundt and his wife is Catharina Badendistel/ Baudendistel immigrated to Bruce County, was in Carrick Township, listed in 1871 census, Ontario, Canada. Searching for where they come from. Maybe Oberkirch or in that general area. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Rose Goutbeck in Alberta Canada ______________________________ ==== DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Mailing List ==== List your surnames at the Ortenau Search web site < http://ortenau.speedyspace.de/search/ >. ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx ______________________________

Hi Rose, yes I would also assume a person with the name Baudendistel was from the Oberkirch area, especially when I visit the B-W emigration page. There are some Anton Hunds who emigrated with permission from this area: Renchen 1839 Renchen 1849 Nußbach 1854 Kappelrodeck 1854 Stadelhofen 1867 (2 x) Kappelrodeck 1882 and maybe others who emigrated without permission The date is sometimes not the year of emigration because some people asked for permission when they were already in North America since some years. - Wendelin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter & Rose Goutbeck" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 11:53 PM Subject: [Ortenau] Hund/ Baudendistel > Anton Hund/Hundt and his wife is Catharina Badendistel/ Baudendistel > immigrated to Bruce County, was in Carrick Township, listed in 1871 > census, Ontario, Canada. Searching for where they come from. Maybe > Oberkirch or in that general area. > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > Rose Goutbeck in Alberta Canada

You are a good girl, helping everybody as I can see. What about coming to Germany? Greetings Karl (for instance Oktoberfest) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beverly Zanon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 4:32 PM Subject: [Ortenau] RE: Hund/ Baudendistel Good morning Rose, I am not saying your Hund and Baudendistel's came from my ancestor's hometowns but they are surnames that can be found in the Oberkirch area. My BUSAM's come from the Nussbach area and both your ancestor names can be found in the church books there. My BUSAM's married into both HUND & BAUDENDISTEL families in the 1800's. Microfilm for the Parish registers of Nußbach, Zusenhofen, Schlatten, Diebersbach, Maisenbühl, Herztal. Baptisms, marriages, deaths can be ordered and viewed at your local LDS Family History Center. Below you will find the film contents and numbers. Nußbach: Taufen, Heiraten, Tote 1637-1669, 1691-1786 - FHL INTL Film [ 958811 ] Taufen 1786-1900 Heiraten 1738-1900 Tote 1786-1824 - FHL INTL Film [ 958812 ] Tote 1825-1900 Taufen, Heiraten, Tote 1825-1900 (FILIALEN: Zusenhofen, Herztal, Maisenbühl) Taufen, Heiraten, Tote 1864-1900 (Bottenau) - FHL INTL Film [ 958813 ] Good luck, Beverly Mack Zanon Researching NUSSBACH ZUSENHOFEN MAISENBUHL HERZTAL -----Original Message----- From: Peter & Rose Goutbeck [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 4:54 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Hund/ Baudendistel Anton Hund/Hundt and his wife is Catharina Badendistel/ Baudendistel immigrated to Bruce County, was in Carrick Township, listed in 1871 census, Ontario, Canada. Searching for where they come from. Maybe Oberkirch or in that general area. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Rose Goutbeck in Alberta Canada ______________________________ ==== DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Mailing List ==== List your surnames at the Ortenau Search web site < http://ortenau.speedyspace.de/search/ >. ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Hi, another interesting webpage is Wikipedia in the "alemannisch" dialect: http://als.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia - Wendelin

Rose, Here again, I know there were a couple films for Stadelhofen (A. Oberkirch) on indefinite loan at my local FHC that I could do a look up for you. If I'd find them their, I could point you to the exact film to order. Unfortunately, however, I already sent back the films for Nußbach. Carol -----Original Message----- From: Wendelin Irslinger [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 10:28 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Hund/ Baudendistel Hi Rose, yes I would also assume a person with the name Baudendistel was from the Oberkirch area, especially when I visit the B-W emigration page. There are some Anton Hunds who emigrated with permission from this area: Renchen 1839 Renchen 1849 Nußbach 1854 Kappelrodeck 1854 Stadelhofen 1867 (2 x) Kappelrodeck 1882 and maybe others who emigrated without permission The date is sometimes not the year of emigration because some people asked for permission when they were already in North America since some years. - Wendelin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter & Rose Goutbeck" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 11:53 PM Subject: [Ortenau] Hund/ Baudendistel > Anton Hund/Hundt and his wife is Catharina Badendistel/ Baudendistel > immigrated to Bruce County, was in Carrick Township, listed in 1871 > census, Ontario, Canada. Searching for where they come from. Maybe > Oberkirch or in that general area. > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > Rose Goutbeck in Alberta Canada ==== DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Mailing List ==== A list of Historic and Current towns of the Ortenau can be found at < http://ortenau.speedyspace.de/ >. ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx