thanks djweber Chuck

In a message dated 9/14/2005 2:39:17 P.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Chuck, That site is now "dead". Try < http://ortenau.genealogy-bw.de/search/ > and I think you should find the information and links. djweber thanks dj Chuck

Chuck, That site is now "dead". Try < http://ortenau.genealogy-bw.de/search/ > and I think you should find the information and links. djweber [email protected] ------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Web sites of interest > > > In a message dated 9/9/2005 4:20:00 P.M. Central Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > http://ortenau.speedyspace.de/search > > > I cannot find the above site > > Chuck Schober > ----Melissa, Texas > >

Gabi Waidele wrote: > I live in the Ortenau. Have you special questions? Maybe I can help you? > sorry - my english is not good. > Grüssle > Gabi > ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 8:13 PM > Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Web sites of interest > > >> >> >> In a message dated 9/9/2005 4:20:00 P.M. Central Standard Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >> http://ortenau.speedyspace.de/search >> >> >> I cannot find the above site >> >> Chuck Schober >> ----Melissa, Texas >> >> >> ==== DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Mailing List ==== >> < http://www.heavens-above.com/countries.asp > can be searched for >> neighboring towns if you fear that one of your ancestors moved to or >> from your searched town. >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> > > > > > > > ___ Hello Gabi, Darf ich wo Du wohnst in der Ortenau? Und Wie ist Wetter bei Euch? Regen oder Sonnenschein? Bist Du an Familienkunde interesiert, das waere jah so gut. Rose Goutbeck in Fort Saskatchewan, Alberta, Canada > ________________________________________________________ Gesendet von > Yahoo! Mail - Jetzt mit 1GB Speicher kostenlos - Hier anmelden: > http://mail.yahoo.de > > > ==== DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Mailing List ==== > A list of Historic and Current towns of the Ortenau can be found at < > http://ortenau.speedyspace.de/ >. > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

In a message dated 9/9/2005 4:20:00 P.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: http://ortenau.speedyspace.de/search I cannot find the above site Chuck Schober ----Melissa, Texas

Ratsarchiv thanks Chuck Schober ----Melissa, Texas

Chuck, I am NOT a scholar in the German language. Two years of college German long, long ago taught me only how to ask for a glass of beer. Since then I have been told that one thumb straight up and the word "eine" eliminates the need for the entire sentence. However, many German words can be broken down. Rathaus means Town Hall, Ratskeller means Town Hall Cellar although we in the States would consider it more as a lower level beer hall. In this case, instead of Stadt, we would use Rat for town and Archiv means archives. So my feeling is that Ratsarchiv would be the Town Archives or Town Keeper of Records. djweber [email protected] ------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 9:48 AM Subject: [Ortenau] Translation PLease > Ratsarchiv > > > > thanks > > Chuck Schober

Hi Kurt, > Some of my ancestors are from Mueserbach, a village I can´t find. The > same goes for Herdingen or Heidingen. Is anyone out there who knows > better? And if so: To which parish did these places belong in the 17th > century? I assume Heidingen is Haigerach: Heidinger 1287, Heidiger, Hei(ai)ger 1811, Haigerach the valley belongs to Reichenbach, therefore parish Gengenbach. Mueserbach is maybe Moosbach, a hamlet of Nordrach. Fuserbach (Fußbach) seems not possible. - Wendelin Surname Research Database Baden-Württemberg http://genealogy-bw.de/cms/

Some of you will remember that I have sent URLs to this List which came from the German Information Center (German Embassy) "This Week in Germany" messages. I receive other e-mail information from other sources. One of which is the daily short listing from Britannica encyclopedia people which offers limited information on what may have happened on the particular date in history. I have found those details to be helpful in understanding the world happenings during the lives of my ancestors. Those of you who have had personal correspondence with me also know that I am slow in writing and can be behind in answering mail and, in this case, behind in forwarding this little bit of history. For September 12, Britannica identified that in 1733 on that date Stanislaw I was elected King of Poland by the 12,000 delegates to the Sejm (Diet) in Warsaw. This action led to the War of the Polish Succession. The War of the Polish Succession is described in a short paragraph, in German, at < http://ortenau.genealogy-bw.de/ > and, in English, at the World History at KMLA < http://www.zum.de/whkmla/military/18cen/polsucc.html >. While the war over a Polish King may not seem important to the towns of the Ortenau, the Rhine area was one of the major battlefields of the war with the French and Austrians having some of their battles in parts of our Ortenau area. As a result you may find unique patterns in the Church Registers of your searched churches during the years 1733 and 1734, perhaps more deaths than usual, perhaps more or fewer marriages. The worst scenario may be similar to any needs at the town of Fautenbach where most of the Church Registers were destroyed during a French raid in 1734. I offer this "little bit of history" as this War may have caused some actions in the 1733-1734 time line of your ancestors' lives. djweber [email protected]

Hello again, Some of my ancestors are from Mueserbach, a village I can´t find. The same goes for Herdingen or Heidingen. Is anyone out there who knows better? And if so: To which parish did these places belong in the 17th century? I would like to say thank you for all hints concerning my "Mueserbach", "Milstein" and "Muehlenbach" puzzle. Hopefully, I will have access to the Haslach church book very soon to work these questions out. I will keep you informed and soon will update my "Zapf" ancestors on the Ortenau page. Best wishes from Wuppertal ("W upper valley") Kurt (Erlemann)

Danke Wendelin for the website. Sandra Las Vegas In a message dated 9/9/2005 10:30:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > More than 90 volunteers of the German technical service "Technisches > Hilfswerk - THW" with 6 men from the Ortenau arrived in New Orleans. > The Offenburg troop of this technical service has an own webpage at: > www.zugtrupp-offenburg.de > > - Wendelin >

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Hello Maurine, > The web site that you just advised us of (Surname Research Database > Baden-Wurttemburg), is this an extension of speedy search or another > separate site? The format was exactly like speedy search so had to ask. good question. It's an extension and a separate site. It includes many towns of Baden-Württemberg and has some additional features (like "my towns"). I missed such a page for B-W and because I am researching also in other counties I decided to create such a special page. I don't know if it's a replacement for the Ortenau database. It depends if the Ortenau members are willing to use the new database or if they prefer an unique Ortenau database. - Wendelin

Hi, the following link has nothing to do with genealogical research so some people may believe it's off-topic. More than 90 volunteers of the German technical service "Technisches Hilfswerk - THW" with 6 men from the Ortenau arrived in New Orleans. The Offenburg troop of this technical service has an own webpage at: www.zugtrupp-offenburg.de - Wendelin Surname Research Database Baden-Württemberg http://genealogy-bw.de/cms/

Hello Kurt, Mühlenbach and Mühlstein (Milstein) are different places. Go to http://ortenau.genealogy-bw.de and click on Nordrach to find some information about Mühlstein. Rose has the book "Die Kirchenbuecher in Baden" and can tell you the entries for Fußbach and Schömberg (Gengenbach). No entry for earlier Fußbach and Schönberg records or for the Schilli and Reinerts in these towns? Mabe it's possible the Schilli moved to Fußbach in about 1650, the same with the Reinert? - Wendelin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kurt Erlemann" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 10:31 AM Subject: [Ortenau] Muehlbach, Milstein; Fussbach, Schoenberg > Dear fellow genealogists, > > again, I am "lost" in the Ortenau area .... > > First, I have puzzling information about Franz Zapf "from Muehlbach", as > I can read in a 1700 church book entry. There were some Zapfs before > that date in Milstein, even a Franz Zapf born in 1657 (church book > Nordrach). As both places refer to a mill, I find it possible that both > places are identical. Nevertheless, I am not sure about. As I know, > there was a Muehlenbach next to Haslach (but no church book of that > period seems to exist, and no Zapfs living there in the 17th century), > and a Milstein next to Nordrach. Could it be possible that the reverend > who wrote the 1700 entry in Gengenbach could have maken a mistake?? > > Second, I am tracing some Schilis from Fußbach/Gengenbach area. The > Gengenbach church book offers the birth od Matthis Schili in 1651, son > of Georg S., as first entry (although it goes back to 1587). Is it > possible Fussbach was called differently before that or is Fussbach data > before 1650 to be found elsewhere? > > Third, the same goes for Schoenberg/Schimbert next to Biberach. Entries > are in the Gengenbach church book from 1670 on. The name I am tracing is > Johann Michael Reinert, married the second time in 1670to Barbara > Armbruster. But no entry earlier than that in Gengenbach. So, my > question is the same as in the previous case. > > Who might help? > > Thanks a lot and have a fine day > > Kurt Erlemann > Wuppertal. >

Wendelin, The web site that you just advised us of (Surname Research Database Baden-Wurttemburg), is this an extension of speedy search or another separate site? The format was exactly like speedy search so had to ask. Thank you for keeping us up on sites of interest. DJ - thank you for your kinship book answer. Good luck on your Jäger research! Maurine

Dear fellow genealogists, again, I am "lost" in the Ortenau area .... First, I have puzzling information about Franz Zapf "from Muehlbach", as I can read in a 1700 church book entry. There were some Zapfs before that date in Milstein, even a Franz Zapf born in 1657 (church book Nordrach). As both places refer to a mill, I find it possible that both places are identical. Nevertheless, I am not sure about. As I know, there was a Muehlenbach next to Haslach (but no church book of that period seems to exist, and no Zapfs living there in the 17th century), and a Milstein next to Nordrach. Could it be possible that the reverend who wrote the 1700 entry in Gengenbach could have maken a mistake?? Second, I am tracing some Schilis from Fußbach/Gengenbach area. The Gengenbach church book offers the birth od Matthis Schili in 1651, son of Georg S., as first entry (although it goes back to 1587). Is it possible Fussbach was called differently before that or is Fussbach data before 1650 to be found elsewhere? Third, the same goes for Schoenberg/Schimbert next to Biberach. Entries are in the Gengenbach church book from 1670 on. The name I am tracing is Johann Michael Reinert, married the second time in 1670to Barbara Armbruster. But no entry earlier than that in Gengenbach. So, my question is the same as in the previous case. Who might help? Thanks a lot and have a fine day Kurt Erlemann Wuppertal.

Wendelin Irslinger wrote: > Hello Kurt, > > Mühlenbach and Mühlstein (Milstein) are different places. > Go to > http://ortenau.genealogy-bw.de > and click on Nordrach to find some information about Mühlstein. > > Rose has the book "Die Kirchenbuecher in Baden" and can tell you the entries > for Fußbach and Schömberg (Gengenbach). > > No entry for earlier Fußbach and Schönberg records or for the Schilli and > Reinerts in these towns? > Mabe it's possible the Schilli moved to Fußbach in about 1650, the same with > the Reinert? > > - Wendelin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kurt Erlemann" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 10:31 AM > Subject: [Ortenau] Muehlbach, Milstein; Fussbach, Schoenberg > > > >> Dear fellow genealogists, >> >> again, I am "lost" in the Ortenau area .... >> >> First, I have puzzling information about Franz Zapf "from Muehlbach", as >> I can read in a 1700 church book entry. There were some Zapfs before >> that date in Milstein, even a Franz Zapf born in 1657 (church book >> Nordrach). As both places refer to a mill, I find it possible that both >> places are identical. Nevertheless, I am not sure about. As I know, >> there was a Muehlenbach next to Haslach (but no church book of that >> period seems to exist, and no Zapfs living there in the 17th century), >> and a Milstein next to Nordrach. Could it be possible that the reverend >> who wrote the 1700 entry in Gengenbach could have maken a mistake?? >> >> Second, I am tracing some Schilis from Fußbach/Gengenbach area. The >> Gengenbach church book offers the birth od Matthis Schili in 1651, son >> of Georg S., as first entry (although it goes back to 1587). Is it >> possible Fussbach was called differently before that or is Fussbach data >> before 1650 to be found elsewhere? >> >> Third, the same goes for Schoenberg/Schimbert next to Biberach. Entries >> are in the Gengenbach church book from 1670 on. The name I am tracing is >> Johann Michael Reinert, married the second time in 1670to Barbara >> Armbruster. But no entry earlier than that in Gengenbach. So, my >> question is the same as in the previous case. >> >> Who might help? >> >> Thanks a lot and have a fine day >> >> Kurt Erlemann >> Wuppertal. >> >> > Fussbach is not listed in den Badischen Kirchenbuecher. Schoenberg, katolisch is a filiale of von Prinzbach, KB 1651, T1695,and Ehen 1703 and evangelisch is a Filiale von Lahr.? Rose > > ==== DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Mailing List ==== > FAQ information of all Germanic areas, including Baden can be located at < http://www.genealogy.net/faqs/sgg.html >. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > >

Maurine, My apologies for the delay in answering your questions. Messages, too often tend to slid up and disappear from view in my inbox. I think that, on the whole, messages are now working through Rootsweb. I admit I have not looked at their Help Desk information today. I have the ability to read my messages online as my ISP is part of EarthLink and each day, now, I have been going into the EarthLink-stopped Spam messages to see what they have to delete without going to my inbox. It was only that one Rootsweb message from several days ago so my bet is that all is working close to correct. About the Ortssippenbuch for Ichenheim, I had to go back to my original message in the Archives because the dates of your question confused me. I had no dates; I knew no dates. The Kinship page which I believe is still at < http://user.baden-online.de/~ksiefert/english.html > does identify that a second edition of the Ichenheim information ws prepared in 1993. I do not know how much a difference is in that book as compared to the 1977 book. I came across the hint of Ichenheim for a grandfather of my mother-in-law. I think my mother-in-law's ghost is stopping me from finding the correct information but I am now on to the possibility of that missing Johann Jäger as being from Orschweier, instead. djweber [email protected] ------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurine LeBlanc" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 9:37 PM Subject: [Ortenau] Ortssippenbuch > DJ, > > I am sending this email for two reasons. You had said that ISPs might be > kicking out Rootsweb as spam. This is one reason for writing - will see if > my email gets through. > > In reviewing one of your earlier emails I came across the reference to a > 1993 reprint of the Ichenheim kinship book. The German individual that > sent > me portions of the Ichenheim book said it was published in the 1970s. Do > you > know the availability of the 1993 publication and if I can purchase such? > > My thank you!! > > Maurine > >

I am resending the below listed message. It appears not to have reached the List. If you can help Kurt, please do. djweber [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kurt Erlemann" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 2:25 PM Subject: Kirnbach Church records Hello again, Some of my ancestors are from Mueserbach, a village I can´t find. The same goes for Herdingen or Heidingen. Is anyone out there who knows better? And if so: To which parish did these places belong in the 17th century? I say thank you very much, have a nice time Kurt (Erlemann) Wuppertal,Germany