Hello Kurt, > Is there anybody who has the Ortssippenbuch of Altenheim? If yes, I > would be thankful if you could have a look at a a marriage between > Johann Georg Marx and Ursula Bungert/Bonnert, not long before 1670. > Children of the couple appear in Zell/Biberach after 1670 - but no > marriage and no birth entries of the couple here. yes Marx and Bonnert are names from Altenheim at that time. But Altenheim was a Protestant town and Zell and Biberach were Catholic towns. I didn't find such a marriage in the Ortssippenbuch of Altenheim. The only Ursula Bonnert who lived there at that time died in the age of 20 years in 1669. If they lived in Altenheim and were Catholics they married perhaps in a nearby town like Dundenheim. BTW: the only other town Altenheim is located in Alsace near Zabern/Saverne. - Wendelin

Carol, one of the reasons why are most kinship books from the Lahr area is that Mr. Köbele (who wrote many books) lived in that area. > Though I've never seen one of these kinship books, it sounds like one that > an e-mail friend I know has for the Furtwangen area. He referred to it as a > "farmer's book", but it sounds the same - one he purchased about 15 years > ago or so, but is no longer available. In it were several pages that I remember I saw such books which contains the history of farms. Yes, farmer's book and house books are also useful for genealogical research. And other history books, too (there is also a history book of Schönenbach). - Wendelin

As far as I know there were kinship books for 31 towns in the Ortenau (one was planned for Oberschopfheim some years ago): Rust Kappel Grafenhausen Ringsheim Münchweier Altdorf Schmieheim Dörlinbach Schuttertal Fischerbach (missing?) Mahlberg and Orschweier Kippenheim Kippenheimweiler Mietersheim Wittenweier Nonnenweier Allmannsweier Ottenheim Meißenheim Schutterzell Friesenheim Oberweier Ichenheim Dundenheim Altenheim Müllen Önsbach Großweier Sasbach Lauf

Wendelin, Do you know why these towns were chosen for kinship books? Is it because of the towns' size way back when they were written, or is it that the books cover the surrounding towns? The reason I ask is that my ancestors came from quite a variety of towns in Ortenau, and not one of the towns they were from is on this list. Mahlberg/Kippenheim area is a "maybe" for my BLOESI ancestor, but I've never found her baptismal/birth record there. I've only found her parents and a few possible siblings listed in a film that had transcribed records. Though I've never seen one of these kinship books, it sounds like one that an e-mail friend I know has for the Furtwangen area. He referred to it as a "farmer's book", but it sounds the same - one he purchased about 15 years ago or so, but is no longer available. In it were several pages that covered my KETTERER line dating back to about the late 1500's, listing the siblings, who they married and their children with the "year" of birth for all. I took that information and went to the original church film records to confirm everything and to include the month and day with the dates. It made things alot easier for researching to have this book. For some off-topic addition: My emigrating KETTERER family lived in Ebersweier in the 1800's, but prior to that were from Schönenbach (by Furtwangen). For anyone interested in this line, some of the related Ebersweier KETTERER's then moved to Windschläg. My family immigrated to Ste. Genevieve County in Missouri. Then about 10-20 years later, parents and at least one sibling moved across the river into Illinois, where more German communities had evolved. Carol -----Original Message----- From: Wendelin Irslinger [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 3:46 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Ortenau] kinship book / Familienbuch As far as I know there were kinship books for 31 towns in the Ortenau (one was planned for Oberschopfheim some years ago): Rust Kappel Grafenhausen Ringsheim Münchweier Altdorf Schmieheim Dörlinbach Schuttertal Fischerbach (missing?) Mahlberg and Orschweier Kippenheim Kippenheimweiler Mietersheim Wittenweier Nonnenweier Allmannsweier Ottenheim Meißenheim Schutterzell Friesenheim Oberweier Ichenheim Dundenheim Altenheim Müllen Önsbach Großweier Sasbach Lauf ==== DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Mailing List ==== A list of Historic and Current towns of the Ortenau can be found at < http://ortenau.genealogy-bw.de >. ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

No, there is not a family kinship-book from Oberkirch. Sorry liebe Grüsse Gabi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Ortenberg: kinship book / Familienbuch > Would there be such a book available of Oberkirch, Baden? > Thanks Tony Fetz > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gabi Waidele" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 5:05 AM > Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Ortenberg: kinship book / Familienbuch > > >> Hallo Wendelin, >> >> is this the book from Mr. Vollmer??? >> >> lg Gabi >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Wendelin Irslinger" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 10:51 AM >> Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Ortenberg: kinship book / Familienbuch >> >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> the latest information to the kinship book of Ortenberg says: >>> date of publication is in few weeks, 2 volumes, number of copies 300. >>> >>> - Wendelin >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Wendelin Irslinger" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:42 PM >>> Subject: [Ortenau] Ortenberg: kinship book / Familienbuch >>> >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> just read that the manuscript for the kinship book of Ortenberg is >>>> ready for >>>> printing. >>>> >>>> The manuscript has about 1900 pages. Years: 1600 - 1950. >>>> >>>> It seems you can get the book cheaper if you enter your name into a >>>> subscription list. >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------- >>>> >>>> Das Manuskript für das Familienbuch von Ortenberg ist bereit für den >>>> Druck. >>>> >>>> Das Manuskript hat ca. 1900 Seiten und behandelt die Jahre 1600 - 1950. >>>> >>>> Man kann das Buch anscheinend günstiger bekommen, wenn man seinen Namen >>>> in >>>> eine Subskriptionsliste einträgt. >>>> >>>> >>>> - Wendelin >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Mailing List ==== >>> < http://www.stadtplandienst.de/ > offers detailed on-line maps of the >>> town of your ancestor. From the map of Offenburg, by moving and >>> resizing, the streets of your ancestor's home town can be found. >>> >>> ============================== >>> Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >>> New content added every business day. Learn more: >>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >>> >> >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________ Was denken >> Sie über E-Mail? Wir hören auf Ihre Meinung: >> http://surveylink.yahoo.com/wix/p0379378.aspx >> >> >> ==== DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Mailing List ==== >> Pre Napoleonic maps of B-W which include the lands of the Ortenau: >> < http://www.hoeckmann.de/deutschland/bwsued.htm > >> < http://www.pantel-web.de/bw_mirror/history/bwmaps/bw_316.jpg >. >> >> ============================== >> New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your >> ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. >> Learn more: >> http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >> > > > ==== DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Mailing List ==== > List your surnames at the Ortenau Search web site > < http://ortenau.genealogy-bw.de/search/ >. > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > ___________________________________________________________ Was denken Sie über E-Mail? Wir hören auf Ihre Meinung: http://surveylink.yahoo.com/wix/p0379378.aspx

Carol, maybe Gabi can answer your question after she talked with the author of that book. BTW: There is another book of Ortenberg by the same author. A housebook which lists the houses and the former owners. It contains also some genealogical information. - Wendelin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Rogers" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 3:37 PM Subject: RE: [Ortenau] Ortenberg: kinship book / Familienbuch > Wendelin, > > Where do you find information on that book? I might be interested in > purchasing a copy as that should contain my Bahr line. > > Thank you for passing on this information. > > Carol >

no problem, we can tell this...and if I can help with any information, I´´ll happy to do this, my english is not very good, but I hope it is possible tu understand..g. I met Mr. Vollmer some weeks ago, and he told me that it is finished and ready to print. I try to phone with him this weekend Gabi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendelin Irslinger" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Ortenberg: kinship book / Familienbuch > Hello Gabi, > > yes, Mr. Vollmers book. > Do you have additional information? > > > BTW: maybe we should tell the Ortenau list that you were member in the > Offenburg emigration project. > > - Wendelin > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gabi Waidele" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 11:05 AM > Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Ortenberg: kinship book / Familienbuch > > >> Hallo Wendelin, >> >> is this the book from Mr. Vollmer??? >> >> lg Gabi >> > > > > > ==== DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Mailing List ==== > < http://www.stadtplandienst.de/ > offers detailed on-line maps of the > town of your ancestor. From the map of Offenburg, by moving and resizing, > the streets of your ancestor's home town can be found. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > ___________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - Jetzt mit 1GB Speicher kostenlos - Hier anmelden: http://mail.yahoo.de

Hello Gabi, yes, Mr. Vollmers book. Do you have additional information? BTW: maybe we should tell the Ortenau list that you were member in the Offenburg emigration project. - Wendelin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gabi Waidele" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Ortenberg: kinship book / Familienbuch > Hallo Wendelin, > > is this the book from Mr. Vollmer??? > > lg Gabi >

Would there be such a book available of Oberkirch, Baden? Thanks Tony Fetz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gabi Waidele" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 5:05 AM Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Ortenberg: kinship book / Familienbuch > Hallo Wendelin, > > is this the book from Mr. Vollmer??? > > lg Gabi > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wendelin Irslinger" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 10:51 AM > Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Ortenberg: kinship book / Familienbuch > > >> Hello, >> >> the latest information to the kinship book of Ortenberg says: >> date of publication is in few weeks, 2 volumes, number of copies 300. >> >> - Wendelin >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Wendelin Irslinger" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:42 PM >> Subject: [Ortenau] Ortenberg: kinship book / Familienbuch >> >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> just read that the manuscript for the kinship book of Ortenberg is ready >>> for >>> printing. >>> >>> The manuscript has about 1900 pages. Years: 1600 - 1950. >>> >>> It seems you can get the book cheaper if you enter your name into a >>> subscription list. >>> >>> >>> -------------- >>> >>> Das Manuskript für das Familienbuch von Ortenberg ist bereit für den >>> Druck. >>> >>> Das Manuskript hat ca. 1900 Seiten und behandelt die Jahre 1600 - 1950. >>> >>> Man kann das Buch anscheinend günstiger bekommen, wenn man seinen Namen >>> in >>> eine Subskriptionsliste einträgt. >>> >>> >>> - Wendelin >> >> >> >> ==== DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Mailing List ==== >> < http://www.stadtplandienst.de/ > offers detailed on-line maps of the >> town of your ancestor. From the map of Offenburg, by moving and >> resizing, the streets of your ancestor's home town can be found. >> >> ============================== >> Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >> New content added every business day. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >> > > > > ___________________________________________________________ Was denken Sie > über E-Mail? Wir hören auf Ihre Meinung: > http://surveylink.yahoo.com/wix/p0379378.aspx > > > ==== DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Mailing List ==== > Pre Napoleonic maps of B-W which include the lands of the Ortenau: > < http://www.hoeckmann.de/deutschland/bwsued.htm > > < http://www.pantel-web.de/bw_mirror/history/bwmaps/bw_316.jpg >. > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >

Hallo Wendelin, is this the book from Mr. Vollmer??? lg Gabi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendelin Irslinger" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Ortenberg: kinship book / Familienbuch > Hello, > > the latest information to the kinship book of Ortenberg says: > date of publication is in few weeks, 2 volumes, number of copies 300. > > - Wendelin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wendelin Irslinger" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:42 PM > Subject: [Ortenau] Ortenberg: kinship book / Familienbuch > > >> Hi, >> >> just read that the manuscript for the kinship book of Ortenberg is ready >> for >> printing. >> >> The manuscript has about 1900 pages. Years: 1600 - 1950. >> >> It seems you can get the book cheaper if you enter your name into a >> subscription list. >> >> >> -------------- >> >> Das Manuskript für das Familienbuch von Ortenberg ist bereit für den >> Druck. >> >> Das Manuskript hat ca. 1900 Seiten und behandelt die Jahre 1600 - 1950. >> >> Man kann das Buch anscheinend günstiger bekommen, wenn man seinen Namen >> in >> eine Subskriptionsliste einträgt. >> >> >> - Wendelin > > > > ==== DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Mailing List ==== > < http://www.stadtplandienst.de/ > offers detailed on-line maps of the > town of your ancestor. From the map of Offenburg, by moving and resizing, > the streets of your ancestor's home town can be found. > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > ___________________________________________________________ Was denken Sie über E-Mail? Wir hören auf Ihre Meinung: http://surveylink.yahoo.com/wix/p0379378.aspx

Hello, the latest information to the kinship book of Ortenberg says: date of publication is in few weeks, 2 volumes, number of copies 300. - Wendelin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendelin Irslinger" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:42 PM Subject: [Ortenau] Ortenberg: kinship book / Familienbuch > Hi, > > just read that the manuscript for the kinship book of Ortenberg is ready for > printing. > > The manuscript has about 1900 pages. Years: 1600 - 1950. > > It seems you can get the book cheaper if you enter your name into a > subscription list. > > > -------------- > > Das Manuskript für das Familienbuch von Ortenberg ist bereit für den Druck. > > Das Manuskript hat ca. 1900 Seiten und behandelt die Jahre 1600 - 1950. > > Man kann das Buch anscheinend günstiger bekommen, wenn man seinen Namen in > eine Subskriptionsliste einträgt. > > > - Wendelin

Hello Kurt, > Is there anybody who has the Ortssippenbuch of Altenheim? If yes, I > would be thankful if you could have a look at a a marriage between > Johann Georg Marx and Ursula Bungert/Bonnert, not long before 1670. > Children of the couple appear in Zell/Biberach after 1670 - but no > marriage and no birth entries of the couple here. ich habe kein OSB von Altenheim aber die Stadtbücherei in Offenburg. Falls niemand anderer schneller ist, kann ich eventuell in der nächsten Woche nach diesen Namen schauen. If nobody is able to offer this lookup I can do it next week. - Wendelin

Dear fellow genealogists, Another question just arose: Among my ancestors there is a man named Christian Schili from Kirnbach who married Barbara Harter in 1714 (church book Zell). Christian was son of Mathias Schili from Kirnbach. In the Zell church book there are several children of Mathias Schili from Kirnbach and Eva Dinter between 1685 and 1694. But no Christian. And no marriage of Schili/Dinter, either. So my question is: Does anybody know about the Schilis of Kirnbach or, in particular, of the couple Schili/Dinter? Any ideas? Thank you very much Kurt (Erlemann) Wuppertal

Dear fellow genealogists, may I ask again for your help? Is there anybody who has the Ortssippenbuch of Altenheim? If yes, I would be thankful if you could have a look at a a marriage between Johann Georg Marx and Ursula Bungert/Bonnert, not long before 1670. Children of the couple appear in Zell/Biberach after 1670 - but no marriage and no birth entries of the couple here. Thank you very much Kurt (Erlemann) Wuppertal

Maurine, I assume you mean the research database for B-W? I am the rascal who is responsible for the new page not dj. It's not a new Ortenau site but a Baden-Württemberg site. Until now it works not with emails but with messages which members can see when they click on "My data". I am not certain if I shall enable the sending of emails because I don't want that someone sends hundreds of emails with a contents like: "Order the film..." - Wendelin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurine LeBlanc" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 5:28 PM Subject: [Ortenau] New Ortenau site > DJ, > > I just want to tell you that apparently the email part of your new site is > not working. The other day I sent a email to Pat Zipf, through your site, > and she did not receive it. Luckily I have her email address in my book. > > Maurine

DJ, I just want to tell you that apparently the email part of your new site is not working. The other day I sent a email to Pat Zipf, through your site, and she did not receive it. Luckily I have her email address in my book. Maurine

I would like to thank all of you who have helped me with the translation and the web site location. MUCH appreciated. This help has opened a whole new area for my research. Thanks again. Chuck Schober ----Melissa, Texas

Hallo liebe Listenteilnehmer ich suche nach der Familie Nikolaus Mayer und Appolonia Obergföll. Heirateten am 03.04.1786 in Kloster Tennenbach. Ein Kind, Magdalena Mayer - 1790 geboren ist meine Vorfahrin. Gibt es weitere Kinder? Woher kommt Nikolaus Mayer? Appolonia Obergföll? sind die beiden aus Tennenbach oder heirateten sie nur dort? Nikolaus Mayer war Hofmeister - vermutlich auf einem Hof des Kloster Tennenbach. Vielen Dank Gabi

Hallo Rose ich wohne in Offenburg und ich mache seit vielen Jahren Ahnenforschung. Liebe Grüsse Gabi und bei uns ist das Wetter nicht so toll...eher Regen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter & Rose Goutbeck" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Web sites of interest > Gabi Waidele wrote: >> I live in the Ortenau. Have you special questions? Maybe I can help you? >> sorry - my english is not good. >> Grüssle >> Gabi >> ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 8:13 PM >> Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Web sites of interest >> >> >>> >>> >>> In a message dated 9/9/2005 4:20:00 P.M. Central Standard Time, >>> [email protected] writes: >>> >>> http://ortenau.speedyspace.de/search >>> >>> >>> I cannot find the above site >>> >>> Chuck Schober >>> ----Melissa, Texas >>> >>> >>> ==== DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Mailing List ==== >>> < http://www.heavens-above.com/countries.asp > can be searched for >>> neighboring towns if you fear that one of your ancestors moved to or >>> from your searched town. >>> >>> ============================== >>> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >>> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >>> >> >> >> >> ___ > Hello Gabi, > Darf ich wo Du wohnst in der Ortenau? Und Wie ist Wetter bei Euch? Regen > oder Sonnenschein? > Bist Du an Familienkunde interesiert, das waere jah so gut. > > Rose Goutbeck in Fort Saskatchewan, Alberta, Canada >> ________________________________________________________ Gesendet von >> Yahoo! Mail - Jetzt mit 1GB Speicher kostenlos - Hier anmelden: >> http://mail.yahoo.de >> >> >> ==== DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Mailing List ==== >> A list of Historic and Current towns of the Ortenau can be found at < >> http://ortenau.speedyspace.de/ >. >> >> ============================== >> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > ==== DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Mailing List ==== > < http://www.stadtplandienst.de/ > offers detailed on-line maps of the > town of your ancestor. From the map of Offenburg, by moving and resizing, > the streets of your ancestor's home town can be found. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > ___________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - Jetzt mit 1GB Speicher kostenlos - Hier anmelden: http://mail.yahoo.de

I live in the Ortenau. Have you special questions? Maybe I can help you? sorry - my english is not good. Grüssle Gabi ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Web sites of interest > > > In a message dated 9/9/2005 4:20:00 P.M. Central Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > http://ortenau.speedyspace.de/search > > > I cannot find the above site > > Chuck Schober > ----Melissa, Texas > > > ==== DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Mailing List ==== > < http://www.heavens-above.com/countries.asp > can be searched for > neighboring towns if you fear that one of your ancestors moved to or from > your searched town. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > ___________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - Jetzt mit 1GB Speicher kostenlos - Hier anmelden: http://mail.yahoo.de