Hi Sally Was trying to help on this one but can't even find the ones you have found! Where is Mary Horobin in 1891 and where is Arthur with his step granny. They are not coming up in my searches. Barbara -------------------------------------------------- From: "Sally Jackson" <sally.jackson@exemail.com.au> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 9:11 AM To: <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DBY] Newton brothers strayed from Derby > My great grandmother MARY NEWTON (1852-1897) had three sons before getting > together with my great grandfather, WILLIAM HENRY STANLEY HOROBIN. I > cannot > find a marriage for them. William and Mary then had three sons, > including > my grandfather, all of whom I have traced. > > The six boys obviously blended together early on, but I can only trace one > Newton son, ARTHUR SWINFIELD NEWTON, (1876-1958), who married Lilia > Tomlinson in 1900 and brought up a family in Derby. He was living with his > step grandmother, SARAH HOROBIN, on the 1891 census, at the age of 15. > > Of the other two Newton boys, CHARLES EDWARD GIBSON NEWTON, born Derby > 1873, and JOHN BASIL NEWTON, born Derby 1878, I can find nothing after the > 1881 census. > > Were they in prison? Had they emigrated? They remain a mystery I would > love > to solve! Here's hoping someone can help! > > Happy New Year to all, and may all YOUR mysteries be solved! > > Sally in Sydney, Oz > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Barbara, Thank you very much for trying to help! This family is a real nightmare, it has taken me years to (almost!) sort them out. Unfortunately in the early days of my research I was not very good at recording where I found information!! Do you know if there are any missing sections of the 1891 census for Derby, as I cannot seem to find anyone! William Henry Horobin and Mary Newton must have been in Nottinghamshire in 1891, as their youngest son Frederick was born there in 1891...cannot find them on any census, however.. But they had returned to Derby by the 1901 census, possibly because Mary was ill, as she died in 1897. But I cannot find them on an 1891 census in either Derby or Nottingham. In fact I can't find any of the family on the 1891! Sarah Horobin was William Henry Horobin's mother (father unknown) but he was brought up by his grandparents as their "son" until he was an adult, when obviously he was told the truth. On the 1881 census, Sarah is still living with her widowed mother Mary, at 4 Hallams Yard, Morledge, aged 46, and working as a cotton warper. William Henry is now 24, working as a sawyer, and now put down as Mary's grandson, not son, still living at home. Can't find any of them on the 1891 census. On the 1901 census however, Sarah, claiming to be a widow aged 68, is living with her son William Henry Horobin, a foreman sawyer aged 45, grandsons William Henry Horobin, 20, a ropemakers clerk; Alfred Irvin Horobin, a 15 year old page boy at a club (my grandfather), and Frederick Thomas Horobin, aged 9. William Henry's wife Mary had died in 1897, so he obviously moved the family in with Mum. They were all living at Shot Tower Yard, Morledge. When Sarah died at the Derby Workhouse Infirmary, Derby, in 1911, the family was still living at Shot Tower House, Morledge, Derby. Sarah was said to be aged 70 ( should be 76) and was still working as an elastic weaver. Her grandson Frederick registered her death. I think they continued living there for some time, as I have my grandfather's Bible with that address inside. So, to answer your question, in 1891, Mary Newton (Horobin) was in Nottingham (but not on census). And I can't find where I got the info that Arthur was with his step granny!! I have it in my notes, but no proof. Very frustrating! Not sure if this helps or not, but I would appreciate your input! Regards Sally to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message