Hi Chris, thank you for this, this is the information I have too, apart from the date was 1897 rather than 1894. And you're right, I can find nothing in the papers to say he was arrested on his return. His death inquest doesn't mention either tha assault charge or his trip to America at all, although I wonder if his wife was alluding to it when she said he hadn't been in any trouble lately. Best wishes Janie > From: candrew@kingston.net > To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 11:30:06 -0500 > Subject: Re: [DBY] Finding my ancestor's immigration record > > According to the news story at the time (23 Jan 1894 Derbyshire > Times), William Naylor did not appear at the trail. He had sent for > his clothes and asked they be sent on to him in Birmingham. One of > the constables took them to him and was told by Naylor that he > wouldn't appear in court as he was going to America. He was found > guilty and sentenced to three months in the Derby jail but there > wasn't much the court could do to enforce that if he wasn't found. > The court was more concerned with his wife's safety as he had been > charged with assaulting her. > > His publican license was transferred to his wife a couple of weeks > later. The request for transfer said that he was supposed to be in > America so it was granted to her. > > The arrival in New York in Feb 1894 of a William Naylor gives his > correct age and occupation of butcher which he had done before he got > the pub license. So far I can't find a return passenger list for him. > > He did return to Bakewell but there is no other story about his > conviction and sentence. He went back to his wife who continued to > run the pub. He died in Jan 1899 by drowning in the Wye while > returning home from attending the Chesterfield fair. There is nothing > in the news story of his death regarding his previous brush with the > law. > > Chris Andrew > Ontario, Canada > > On Friday 07/12/2012 at 9:45 am, Charani wrote: > > Mrs Watson wrote: > >> > >> Hello After being sentenced to three months imprisonment, my gt gt > >> grandfather, William Naylor of Bakewell left for New York in Jan > >> 1897, arriving there on 2 Feb 1897. > >> > >> I can't find when he returns to England. > > > > Ancestry has the inbound passenger lists but he may have worked his > > passage back rather than being a passenger. I'm not sure whether crew > > would be listed. > > > >> > >> it must have been in 1897 as his son was born in Bakewell in June > >> 1898. I don't have any reason to think the child wasn't his. In > >> Nov 1898 he is at Bakewell Petty Sessions, and in Jan 1899 he died > >> in Bakewell. > > > > I'd suggest keeping an open mind on whether the child was his. Any > > child born to a married woman is *assumed* to be her husband's whether > > that were so or not. It may even say on the birth certificate he was > > the father. > > > > The child would carry the mother's married surname regardless of > > whether she was married or a widow. > > > >> > >> I've searched passenger arrival records for 1897/8, including > >> variant spellings, but can't find him anywhere. I am wondering, > >> since he had been sentenced to prison, is it likely that he would > >> be listed somewhere else if he was arrested when he arrived in the > >> UK? > > > > How do you mean "listed somewhere else"? If he served his sentence, > > went to America then returned to England, he would with be in the > > passenger manifest or with the crew. There wouldn't have been a > > separate list for ex-felons. > > > > Is there any reason why you think he might have been re-arrested? If > > he didn't serve his sentence, he would most likely have been arrested > > when he returned to his home. > > > >> > >> I'd like to find out when he arrives back to see if he did in fact > >> serve his prison sentence, so any suggestions would be most > >> welcome. > > > > The record office should have the details of his sentence together > > with where and if he served it. It's probably the Petty Sessions > > records you would need. I don't think they are online. If he'd > > absconded, then he'd be unlikely to return to his home town. He would > > have been aware he would probably be arrested. The fact he did return > > home suggests he did serve his sentence. He wouldn't have served a > > shorter sentence for time served. Normally the time between arrest, > > trial and sentence would have been much shorter than it is now. They > > didn't get time off for good behaviour either. <Awaits list member > > who knows otherwise :))> > > > > Think 19th century, not 20th/21st. He'd almost certainly have been > > taken down straightaway. It was only a short sentence, even by the > > standards of the day. > > > > It's possible he went to America to cover the fact he had been sent to > > prison so when he returned he could say, truthfully, he'd been there > > and let whoever he was talking to conclude he'd been there the whole > > time. > > > > Do you have the child's birth certificate? Do you have your man's > > death certificate? > > > > Try the local papers for any reports as well. They may have more > > detail. Also look at the incoming passenger and crew lists up to and > > including Jan 1899. > > > > -- > > Charani (UK) > > OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, > > Greinton and Clutton, SOM > > http://wsom-opc.org.uk > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message