Hello Nivard, Mike and Charani, thank you so much for your very quick responses - I'll answer your queries. . . Nivard, I was assuming that as he'd used his real name on the journey out he would use it on the way back. Of course, thinking about it, it might be more likely that he didn't use his real name on the journey back so the police didn't know he was back. Although he appeared to go straight back to Bakewell and to his wife and job anyway. . . so pretty obvious it was him - maybe he was arrested on his return. Charani, and MIke: He didn't serve his sentence at the time as he was absent when sentenced, the police couldn't find him although apparently he'd been seen in Bakewell that morning and they searched for him. So they sentenced him to three months in gaol in his absence. Two days later he was on the ship to New York! Understand totally about your point about the birth cert having his name on it since they were married, which it does. However, in Nov of 1898 he goes to the Petty Sessions to conscientiously object to this child being vaccinated against smallpox as he feared it would harm the child, so my thinking was that the child may well have been his. Yes, I have the death cert and newspaper reports for his death in 1899. I take your point about the passenger lists not being complete, I will just keep trawling through I think! Thank you so much Janie > Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 15:00:43 +0000 > From: ovington1@sky.com > To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DBY] Finding my ancestor's immigration record > > Hi Janie > > Firstly passenger lists are not complete, some have been lost or destroyed > > And they are for passengers, could he have worked his passage as a crew > member > > If your man had a sentence hanging over him he would surely not used his > own name but would have used a false name or alias > > He is more likely to have changed his surname than first name and or age > but may have changed the lot just in case > > Although he may have left from any port, as a starting point try all > Williams who left New York to arrive back in the UK in 1897, if you add > his birth year of 1864 +/- 1 year it still gets 139 hits > > And that is assuming he didn't change his first name and age > > So you may have an uphill struggle to find him I am afraid > > I find it hard to believe that someone under sentence would come back > under his own name > > I doubt the police would have the resources or information to know one > man from another unless it was a very serious crime > > When you say he was sentenced, why didn't he serve his time there and > then? They would not have let him out for a while before serving a > sentence, it would have been sentence and straight out the dock into the > nick > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > On 07/12/2012 13:43, Mrs Watson wrote: > > Hello After being sentenced to three months imprisonment, my gt gt > > grandfather, William Naylor of Bakewell left for New York in Jan > > 1897, arriving there on 2 Feb 1897. > > > > I can't find when he returns to England. > > > > it must have been in 1897 as his son was born in Bakewell in June > > 1898. I don't have any reason to think the child wasn't his. In Nov > > 1898 he is at Bakewell Petty Sessions, and in Jan 1899 he died in > > Bakewell. > > > > I've searched passenger arrival records for 1897/8, including variant > > spellings, but can't find him anywhere. I am wondering, since he had > > been sentenced to prison, is it likely that he would be listed > > somewhere else if he was arrested when he arrived in the UK? > > > > I'd like to find out when he arrives back to see if he did in fact > > serve his prison sentence, so any suggestions would be most welcome. > > > > Many thanks Janie > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message