Hi all Looking for some feedback please re the term "sojourner" as found recorded on marriages in parish registers One parish its been mentioned where its been found in use is Wirksworth, which as we all know has had a considerable, nay staggering amount of work done on it ;-) Sojourner is used by some ministers to denote where one or other party is not a full time resident in the parish they are marrying in but have qualified for one set of banns by being taken as resident for three weeks minimum Banns incurred a charge in each parish so some parties would move into or say they moved into the one parish, often the brides to save one banns fee Some ministers used the term sojourner to note that short residency and show that person was not a long term resident In my experience this is far from widespread and used by the odd minister here and there and even then sparingly Most ministers appear to have just read the banns but not noted whether one party was a sojourner I wondered what others experiences have been in this regard Another way of expressing that one party wasn't a long term resident was by entering the word "resident" after the one party and nothing against the other Again I would welcome feedback on whether anyone has found that in their research and where if possible The above is in relation to any parish in any county, I am just interested to know if others have found either term and how frequent -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

In Somerset I have seen OTP or NOTP - of this parish or not. In some cases banns were read in both churches and appear as a marriage record in both. Anne -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 2:08 PM To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [DBY]Wirksworth marriages question re sojourner Hi all Looking for some feedback please re the term "sojourner" as found recorded on marriages in parish registers One parish its been mentioned where its been found in use is Wirksworth, which as we all know has had a considerable, nay staggering amount of work done on it ;-) Sojourner is used by some ministers to denote where one or other party is not a full time resident in the parish they are marrying in but have qualified for one set of banns by being taken as resident for three weeks minimum Banns incurred a charge in each parish so some parties would move into or say they moved into the one parish, often the brides to save one banns fee Some ministers used the term sojourner to note that short residency and show that person was not a long term resident In my experience this is far from widespread and used by the odd minister here and there and even then sparingly Most ministers appear to have just read the banns but not noted whether one party was a sojourner I wondered what others experiences have been in this regard Another way of expressing that one party wasn't a long term resident was by entering the word "resident" after the one party and nothing against the other Again I would welcome feedback on whether anyone has found that in their research and where if possible The above is in relation to any parish in any county, I am just interested to know if others have found either term and how frequent -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/derbysgen Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thanks for your feedback Anne Its usually a case of OTP or of the parish of XXXX isn't it It seems some clerks/ministers made up their own way of doing things Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 23/07/2018 22:44, ANNE wrote: > In Somerset I have seen OTP or NOTP - of this parish or not.  In some > cases banns were read in both churches and appear as a marriage record > in both. > > Anne

Have transcribed a lot of parish records for Lincolnshire, for FreeReg, I have frequently come across the term sojourner usually for records pre 1837. Regards Jane Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: ANNE Sent: 23 July 2018 22:50 To: Derbyshire genealogy Subject: [DBY]Re: Wirksworth marriages question re sojourner In Somerset I have seen OTP or NOTP - of this parish or not. In some cases banns were read in both churches and appear as a marriage record in both. Anne -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 2:08 PM To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [DBY]Wirksworth marriages question re sojourner Hi all Looking for some feedback please re the term "sojourner" as found recorded on marriages in parish registers One parish its been mentioned where its been found in use is Wirksworth, which as we all know has had a considerable, nay staggering amount of work done on it ;-) Sojourner is used by some ministers to denote where one or other party is not a full time resident in the parish they are marrying in but have qualified for one set of banns by being taken as resident for three weeks minimum Banns incurred a charge in each parish so some parties would move into or say they moved into the one parish, often the brides to save one banns fee Some ministers used the term sojourner to note that short residency and show that person was not a long term resident In my experience this is far from widespread and used by the odd minister here and there and even then sparingly Most ministers appear to have just read the banns but not noted whether one party was a sojourner I wondered what others experiences have been in this regard Another way of expressing that one party wasn't a long term resident was by entering the word "resident" after the one party and nothing against the other Again I would welcome feedback on whether anyone has found that in their research and where if possible The above is in relation to any parish in any county, I am just interested to know if others have found either term and how frequent -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/derbysgen Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/derbysgen Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thanks for yours Jane How frequently do you come across it? And in all or most parishes or just a few ? I don't mean specifically but just a gut feeling from having transcribed those PRs Just trying to get a feel for how widespread a practice it is In my experience its infrequent but there are an awful lot of parishes ;-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 24/07/2018 08:27, Jane Taylor via DERBYSGEN wrote: > Have transcribed a lot of parish records for Lincolnshire, for FreeReg, I have frequently come across the term sojourner usually for records pre 1837. > Regards > Jane

I have a marriage in 1820 in Ashburton, Devon where both are described as sojourners of this parish, Joan On 24/07/2018 08:50:44, Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> wrote: Thanks for yours Jane How frequently do you come across it? And in all or most parishes or just a few ? I don't mean specifically but just a gut feeling from having transcribed those PRs Just trying to get a feel for how widespread a practice it is In my experience its infrequent but there are an awful lot of parishes ;-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 24/07/2018 08:27, Jane Taylor via DERBYSGEN wrote: > Have transcribed a lot of parish records for Lincolnshire, for FreeReg, I have frequently come across the term sojourner usually for records pre 1837. > Regards > Jane _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/derbysgen Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thanks for yours Joan That is slightly more unusual yet ;-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 24/07/2018 09:21, Joan wrote: > I have a marriage in 1820 in Ashburton, Devon where both are described as sojourners of this parish, > > Joan

I can only find one and that was in St. Ebbe's, Oxford 14 Sep 1809 William EDGINGTON, sojourner Ann KIMBER sojourner Whilst most were 'otp', there were a number who were 'lodgers' including: 07 May 1803 Henry KING of Cowley and Ann BURRIN, lodger at Oxford St. Ebbes. Checking this page in the marriage register there are 8 marriages and 4 of the individuals were described as sojourners. Until you raised this I had assumed (I know you shouldn't!) that lodger and sojourner were similar versions of residency - not full time residents in the parish, but now I'm not so sure, Sorry - none that I've found in Derbyshire, Rosemary On 23/07/2018 19:08, Nivard Ovington wrote: > > Hi all > > Looking for some feedback please re the term "sojourner" as found > recorded on marriages in parish registers

Hi Nivard, You might find the article 'The early history of Bexleyheath' of interest, there is a section on sojourners living there. It is on www.Bexley.gov.uk. Can't elaborate at moment as just dashing out - in this heat! Mad. best wishes Kathy in Kent > On 23/07/2018 19:08, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi all > Looking for some feedback please re the term "sojourner" as found recorded on marriages in parish