Hi all I believe I have already mentioned this but thought it worth repeating Previously in the lists archives the email address of the poster or replier would be shown, but sadly no longer, they are all hidden Rootsweb posts can be found in google searches so its a very useful facility, open to anyone around the globe, even if they have never heard of Rootsweb So anyone finding a post of interest would have been able to email that person, without being a subscriber to the list where it was posted Now the posts are still coming up in google searches but no email addresses are shown So any person finding that post would need to subscribe to that list and hope the original poster was still subscribed themselves This is a serious detriment to the usefulness of the lists archives But it is what we have to deal with Previously I had at least one post a month from people finding old posts of mine in the archives, sometimes posts of twenty years or more old, since the change I have had none Something to be aware of -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

On a positive note the Email Harvesters will not be able to make hay here... \s\Rick -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington [mailto:ovington.one@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 4:35 PM To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [DBY]Changes in the lists archives Hi all I believe I have already mentioned this but thought it worth repeating Previously in the lists archives the email address of the poster or replier would be shown, but sadly no longer, they are all hidden Rootsweb posts can be found in google searches so its a very useful facility, open to anyone around the globe, even if they have never heard of Rootsweb So anyone finding a post of interest would have been able to email that person, without being a subscriber to the list where it was posted Now the posts are still coming up in google searches but no email addresses are shown So any person finding that post would need to subscribe to that list and hope the original poster was still subscribed themselves This is a serious detriment to the usefulness of the lists archives But it is what we have to deal with Previously I had at least one post a month from people finding old posts of mine in the archives, sometimes posts of twenty years or more old, since the change I have had none Something to be aware of -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/derbysgen Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

An interesting suggestion Rick But the archives have been available for two decades or so, but the truth is it would have been much harder to harvest from the archives, than any number of other places But the downside is that a great many people will not be able to connect because the email addresses are hidden Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 17/07/2018 23:48, Rick H. wrote: > On a positive note the Email Harvesters will not be able to make hay here... > > \s\Rick

I agree, damned if we do and damned if we don't! There is a better way... Place the email addresses in the archives as images and obfuscate them a bit with speckles. This almost completely foils, all but the most sophisticated, computerized text harvesters and yet is still readable for the people who really will need the address. In fact I think the old archives 'half did this'. Maybe it was someplace else that I remember images in the archives however in one form (say search) and not in the other form (browse). Oh well - it is now what it is. \s\Rick -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington [mailto:ovington.one@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 3:18 AM To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [DBY]Re: Changes in the lists archives An interesting suggestion Rick But the archives have been available for two decades or so, but the truth is it would have been much harder to harvest from the archives, than any number of other places But the downside is that a great many people will not be able to connect because the email addresses are hidden Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 17/07/2018 23:48, Rick H. wrote: > On a positive note the Email Harvesters will not be able to make hay here... > > \s\Rick _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/derbysgen Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

-----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 9:34 PM To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [DBY]Changes in the lists archives Hi all I believe I have already mentioned this but thought it worth repeating Previously in the lists archives the email address of the poster or replier would be shown, but sadly no longer, they are all hidden Rootsweb posts can be found in google searches so its a very useful facility, open to anyone around the globe, even if they have never heard of Rootsweb So anyone finding a post of interest would have been able to email that person, without being a subscriber to the list where it was posted Now the posts are still coming up in google searches but no email addresses are shown Hi Nivard, I have to agree with these changes Nivard even though it inconveniences family researchers. The old system allows scammers to sweep through these email addresses and bombard the innocent with endless rubbish. I still get up to 40 junk mails, at weekends oddly enough, that can only have originated from the Rootsweb open access system. My wife who has never used Rootsweb but is on the same system as me, gets nothing in the way of rubbish. Frank from Bonnie Scotland

Hi Frank We will have to agree to disagree on this one But do not believe the spam you are getting emanates from Rootsweb posts Else why am I not also getting the same or more volume, and I have many thousands of posts in the archives across numerous lists in the last twenty years or so But what is done, is done, so theres little point in arguing over it ;-) The fact is those email addresses have been in the archives for 20 years, so if the ne'er do wells could have harvested them, they would have done by now, and if they have, removing those same email addresses will accomplish absolutely nothing of value and much of detriment to researchers There are many, much easier ways for spammers to gain email addresses than individually harvesting them from Rootsweb archives You are much more likely to have your email address purloined from any government agency or large company, once out there its shared around (or sold on) I trust Scotland is looking as beautiful as ever ? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi Nivard, > > I have to agree with these changes Nivard even though it inconveniences > family researchers. The old system allows scammers to sweep through > these email addresses and bombard the innocent with endless rubbish. I > still get up to 40 junk mails, at weekends oddly enough, that can only > have originated from the Rootsweb open access system. My wife who has > never used Rootsweb but is on the same system as me, gets nothing in the > way of rubbish. > > Frank from Bonnie Scotland

Hi Nivard Scotland has never looked, or felt better than now these past 52 years that I've been up here. Imagine, blue skies and not a cloud over glen Coe ! It's unheard of. Y'all come. Cheers Frank from Bonnie Scotland. -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 10:02 AM To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [DBY]Re: Changes in the lists archives Hi Frank We will have to agree to disagree on this one But do not believe the spam you are getting emanates from Rootsweb posts Else why am I not also getting the same or more volume, and I have many thousands of posts in the archives across numerous lists in the last twenty years or so But what is done, is done, so theres little point in arguing over it ;-) The fact is those email addresses have been in the archives for 20 years, so if the ne'er do wells could have harvested them, they would have done by now, and if they have, removing those same email addresses will accomplish absolutely nothing of value and much of detriment to researchers There are many, much easier ways for spammers to gain email addresses than individually harvesting them from Rootsweb archives You are much more likely to have your email address purloined from any government agency or large company, once out there its shared around (or sold on) I trust Scotland is looking as beautiful as ever ? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi Nivard, > > I have to agree with these changes Nivard even though it inconveniences > family researchers. The old system allows scammers to sweep through these > email addresses and bombard the innocent with endless rubbish. I still get > up to 40 junk mails, at weekends oddly enough, that can only have > originated from the Rootsweb open access system. My wife who has never > used Rootsweb but is on the same system as me, gets nothing in the way of > rubbish. > > Frank from Bonnie Scotland _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/derbysgen Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I certainly hope to get up there soon My father was born in Cambuslang near Glasgow and I have several lines in Scotland for a few hundred years at least Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 18/07/2018 11:56, Frank Turner wrote: > Hi Nivard > Scotland has never looked, or felt better than now these past 52 years > that I've been up here. Imagine, blue skies and not a cloud over glen > Coe ! It's unheard of. Y'all come. > > Cheers > Frank from Bonnie Scotland.