Good morning I am trying to tidy up a birth year for William BROWN son of Maria BOWN. I only have his birth year from census returns plus he disappears after 1881 and would like to "tidy him up” He was born William BROWN out of wedlock to Maria BOWN and in 1871 was at Bedlam Yard Wessington aged 5 (grandson) with Maria BROWN 28 (daughter) also Hannah MARRIOTT 7 (visitor) – no other household [RG10 3608 49 7] In 1881he was William PATILLA (transcribed as PATILEA) aged 15 at Pot House Row, Crich. Whether George PATILLA ever married Maria BROWN is unknown but six children followed William. Again, whether George PATILLA was the father of William is unknown [RG11 3415 16 25] After 1881 I loose him. Marriage? Death? So, all I have is born c1866 from the census. I was hoping to find this in the GRO records to at least more or less confirm the year of birth Cannot find a baptism either although the family rather went for “batch” baptisms with children aged between 1 and 9! Where were ASHOVER births registered? Chesterfield? Peter

Morning Peter You are correct in that Ashover registrations fall under Chesterfield There are five William BROWNs registered 1866 +/- 1 year in Chesterfield reg district BROWN, WILLIAM WILD Order GRO Reference: 1865 D Quarter in CHESTERFIELD UNION IN THE COUNTY OF DERBY Volume 07B Page 478 Order BROWN, WILLIAM TAYLOR Order GRO Reference: 1866 J Quarter in CHESTERFIELD UNION IN THE COUNTY OF DERBY Volume 07B Page 502 Order BROWN, WILLIAM CLEE Order GRO Reference: 1866 S Quarter in CHESTERFIELD UNION IN THE COUNTY OF DERBY Volume 07B Page 461 Order BROWN, WILLIAM HARPHAM Order GRO Reference: 1867 D Quarter in CHESTERFIELD UNION IN THE COUNTY OF DERBY Volume 07B Page 491 Order BROWN, WILLIAM HENRY - Order GRO Reference: 1866 M Quarter in CHESTERFIELD UNION IN THE COUNTY OF DERBY Volume 07B Page 498 Four have a mothers maiden name and the last has no mothers maiden name implying an illegitimate birth Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 20/06/2018 10:53, Peter Patilla wrote: > Good morning > > I am trying to tidy up a birth year for William BROWN son of Maria BOWN. I only have his birth year from census returns plus he disappears after 1881 and would like to "tidy him up” > > He was born William BROWN out of wedlock to Maria BOWN and in 1871 was at Bedlam Yard Wessington aged 5 (grandson) with Maria BROWN 28 (daughter) also Hannah MARRIOTT 7 (visitor) – no other household > [RG10 3608 49 7] > > In 1881he was William PATILLA (transcribed as PATILEA) aged 15 at Pot House Row, Crich. Whether George PATILLA ever married Maria BROWN is unknown but six children followed William. Again, whether George PATILLA was the father of William is unknown > [RG11 3415 16 25] > > After 1881 I loose him. Marriage? Death? > > So, all I have is born c1866 from the census. I was hoping to find this in the GRO records to at least more or less confirm the year of birth > Cannot find a baptism either although the family rather went for “batch” baptisms with children aged between 1 and 9! > > Where were ASHOVER births registered? Chesterfield? > > Peter

PS The five in the GROs own indexes posted previously correspond with freebmd There was one registered as male BROWN in 1866 but the GROs own indexes show WRIGHT was the mothers maiden name Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 20/06/2018 11:03, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Morning Peter > > You are correct in that Ashover registrations fall under Chesterfield > > There are five William BROWNs registered 1866 +/- 1 year in Chesterfield > reg district > > BROWN, WILLIAM         WILD       Order > GRO Reference: 1865  D Quarter in CHESTERFIELD UNION IN THE COUNTY OF > DERBY  Volume 07B  Page 478     Order > BROWN, WILLIAM         TAYLOR          Order > GRO Reference: 1866  J Quarter in CHESTERFIELD UNION IN THE COUNTY OF > DERBY  Volume 07B  Page 502     Order > BROWN, WILLIAM         CLEE       Order > GRO Reference: 1866  S Quarter in CHESTERFIELD UNION IN THE COUNTY OF > DERBY  Volume 07B  Page 461     Order > BROWN, WILLIAM         HARPHAM          Order > GRO Reference: 1867  D Quarter in CHESTERFIELD UNION IN THE COUNTY OF > DERBY  Volume 07B  Page 491     Order > > BROWN, WILLIAM  HENRY       -       Order > GRO Reference: 1866  M Quarter in CHESTERFIELD UNION IN THE COUNTY OF > DERBY  Volume 07B  Page 498 > > Four have a mothers maiden name and the last has no mothers maiden name > implying an illegitimate birth > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 20/06/2018 10:53, Peter Patilla wrote: >> Good morning >> >> I am trying to tidy up a birth year for William BROWN son of Maria >> BOWN. I only have his birth year from census returns plus he >> disappears after 1881 and would like to "tidy him up” >> >> He was born William BROWN out of wedlock to Maria BOWN and in 1871 was >> at Bedlam Yard Wessington aged 5 (grandson) with Maria BROWN 28 >> (daughter) also Hannah MARRIOTT 7 (visitor) – no other household >> [RG10 3608 49 7] >> >> In 1881he was William PATILLA (transcribed as PATILEA) aged 15 at Pot >> House Row, Crich. Whether George PATILLA ever married Maria BROWN is >> unknown but six children followed William. Again, whether George >> PATILLA was the father of William is unknown >> [RG11 3415 16 25] >> >> After 1881 I loose him. Marriage? Death? >> >> So, all I have is born c1866 from the census. I was hoping to find >> this in the GRO records to at least more or less confirm the  year of >> birth >> Cannot find a baptism either although the family rather went for >> “batch” baptisms with children aged between 1 and 9! >> >> Where were ASHOVER births registered? Chesterfield? >> >> Peter >

Nivard As usual, many thanks. Peter > On 20 Jun 2018, at 11:07, Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> wrote: > > PS > > The five in the GROs own indexes posted previously correspond with freebmd > > There was one registered as male BROWN in 1866 but the GROs own indexes show WRIGHT was the mothers maiden name > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 20/06/2018 11:03, Nivard Ovington wrote: >> Morning Peter >> You are correct in that Ashover registrations fall under Chesterfield >> There are five William BROWNs registered 1866 +/- 1 year in Chesterfield reg district >> BROWN, WILLIAM WILD Order >> GRO Reference: 1865 D Quarter in CHESTERFIELD UNION IN THE COUNTY OF DERBY Volume 07B Page 478 Order >> BROWN, WILLIAM TAYLOR Order >> GRO Reference: 1866 J Quarter in CHESTERFIELD UNION IN THE COUNTY OF DERBY Volume 07B Page 502 Order >> BROWN, WILLIAM CLEE Order >> GRO Reference: 1866 S Quarter in CHESTERFIELD UNION IN THE COUNTY OF DERBY Volume 07B Page 461 Order >> BROWN, WILLIAM HARPHAM Order >> GRO Reference: 1867 D Quarter in CHESTERFIELD UNION IN THE COUNTY OF DERBY Volume 07B Page 491 Order >> BROWN, WILLIAM HENRY - Order >> GRO Reference: 1866 M Quarter in CHESTERFIELD UNION IN THE COUNTY OF DERBY Volume 07B Page 498 >> Four have a mothers maiden name and the last has no mothers maiden name implying an illegitimate birth >> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >> On 20/06/2018 10:53, Peter Patilla wrote: >>> Good morning >>> >>> I am trying to tidy up a birth year for William BROWN son of Maria BOWN. I only have his birth year from census returns plus he disappears after 1881 and would like to "tidy him up” >>> >>> He was born William BROWN out of wedlock to Maria BOWN and in 1871 was at Bedlam Yard Wessington aged 5 (grandson) with Maria BROWN 28 (daughter) also Hannah MARRIOTT 7 (visitor) – no other household >>> [RG10 3608 49 7] >>> >>> In 1881he was William PATILLA (transcribed as PATILEA) aged 15 at Pot House Row, Crich. Whether George PATILLA ever married Maria BROWN is unknown but six children followed William. Again, whether George PATILLA was the father of William is unknown >>> [RG11 3415 16 25] >>> >>> After 1881 I loose him. Marriage? Death? >>> >>> So, all I have is born c1866 from the census. I was hoping to find this in the GRO records to at least more or less confirm the year of birth >>> Cannot find a baptism either although the family rather went for “batch” baptisms with children aged between 1 and 9! >>> >>> Where were ASHOVER births registered? Chesterfield? >>> >>> Peter > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Peter, Presuming Nivard's suggestion for his birth is correct he has a second name Henry. If you include that name in the search and are not too exact on birth year you will find him in later years. He appears to have married Tryphena HOLDEN in 1890 in Belper. This all needs confirmation as the name is fairly common. There is also at least one tree for him - but some trees are more myth than fact and I haven't checked this one. Hope this helps Christine -----Original Message----- From: Peter Patilla Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 10:53 AM To: Derbysgen Derbyshire Subject: [DBY]Birth registration Ashover? Good morning I am trying to tidy up a birth year for William BROWN son of Maria BOWN. I only have his birth year from census returns plus he disappears after 1881 and would like to "tidy him up” He was born William BROWN out of wedlock to Maria BOWN and in 1871 was at Bedlam Yard Wessington aged 5 (grandson) with Maria BROWN 28 (daughter) also Hannah MARRIOTT 7 (visitor) – no other household [RG10 3608 49 7] In 1881he was William PATILLA (transcribed as PATILEA) aged 15 at Pot House Row, Crich. Whether George PATILLA ever married Maria BROWN is unknown but six children followed William. Again, whether George PATILLA was the father of William is unknown [RG11 3415 16 25] After 1881 I loose him. Marriage? Death? So, all I have is born c1866 from the census. I was hoping to find this in the GRO records to at least more or less confirm the year of birth Cannot find a baptism either although the family rather went for “batch” baptisms with children aged between 1 and 9! Where were ASHOVER births registered? Chesterfield? Peter

Hi Christine I too followed that same line of thought but got waylaid with other enquiries ;-) The one fly in the ointment to both the marriage to Tryphena and birth, is that there is a William H BROWN aged 15 in Sheffield in 1881, he is a farm labourer, born Derbyshire and what looks like Willinthorp I don't know of a place so named in Derbyshire, possible Willington? or Wessington? but he doesn't seem to be around in other census In 1871 the William with Maria has a birthplace Wessington The William mentioned by Peter in 1881 as PATILEA aged 15 has Ashover as birthplace In 1891 William Henry aged 26 with Tryphena has a birthplace Wessington The William Hy in 1901 hubby to Tryphena gives a birthplace Wessington Both appear to die before the 1911 1905/6 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 20/06/2018 14:04, Christine Benson via DERBYSGEN wrote: > Hi Peter, > > Presuming Nivard's suggestion for his birth is correct he has a second > name Henry. If you include that name in the search and are not too exact > on birth year you will find him in later years. He appears to have > married Tryphena HOLDEN in 1890 in Belper. This all needs confirmation > as the name is fairly common. There is also at least one tree for him - > but some trees are more myth than fact and I haven't checked this one. > > Hope this helps > > Christine

Hi Nivard and Peter, IF the 1901 entry with William married to Tryphena is correct, he is shown as a Silk Weaver and Tryphena as the Manager of a Drapery Shop, living in Matlock. In 1911 there is a William BROWN, widower, b c 1868 Wessington living in Matlock Bath, occupation Hosier & General Draper. Seems likely those two are the same William. But whether that is the right William only some more info might tell. Christine -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 3:16 PM To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [DBY]Re: Birth registration Ashover? Hi Christine I too followed that same line of thought but got waylaid with other enquiries ;-) The one fly in the ointment to both the marriage to Tryphena and birth, is that there is a William H BROWN aged 15 in Sheffield in 1881, he is a farm labourer, born Derbyshire and what looks like Willinthorp I don't know of a place so named in Derbyshire, possible Willington? or Wessington? but he doesn't seem to be around in other census In 1871 the William with Maria has a birthplace Wessington The William mentioned by Peter in 1881 as PATILEA aged 15 has Ashover as birthplace In 1891 William Henry aged 26 with Tryphena has a birthplace Wessington The William Hy in 1901 hubby to Tryphena gives a birthplace Wessington Both appear to die before the 1911 1905/6 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 20/06/2018 14:04, Christine Benson via DERBYSGEN wrote: > Hi Peter, > > Presuming Nivard's suggestion for his birth is correct he has a second > name Henry. If you include that name in the search and are not too exact > on birth year you will find him in later years. He appears to have married > Tryphena HOLDEN in 1890 in Belper. This all needs confirmation as the name > is fairly common. There is also at least one tree for him - but some trees > are more myth than fact and I haven't checked this one. > > Hope this helps > > Christine

Ah you did better than I with the 1911 The two potential deaths suggested he had died but it seems not Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 20/06/2018 15:39, Christine Benson via DERBYSGEN wrote: > Hi Nivard and Peter, > > IF the 1901 entry with William married to Tryphena is correct, he is > shown as a Silk Weaver and Tryphena as the Manager of a Drapery Shop, > living in Matlock. > In 1911 there is a William BROWN, widower, b c 1868 Wessington living in > Matlock Bath, occupation Hosier & General Draper. > Seems likely those two are the same William. > But whether that is the right William only some more info might tell. > > Christine

Just to follow up on a previous query and the responses I received regarding William Brown I sent for the marriage certificate of William and Tryphena (which arrived this morning) in the hope that it would confirm some data At his marriage 2 May 1890 he was aged 24 a bachelor living at Crich with no father named. This ties in with his illegitimate birth in 1866 to Maria BROWN who “married” (or lived with) George PATILLA from about 1872 (no marriage found). In 1871 he was living in Wessington with G.parents. in 1881 he was living in Crich. I feel reasonably confident based in information I now have that indeed this the William BROWN I have been trying to find. Thanks again to Nivard and Christine Peter > On 20 Jun 2018, at 15:39, Christine Benson via DERBYSGEN <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hi Nivard and Peter, > > IF the 1901 entry with William married to Tryphena is correct, he is shown as a Silk Weaver and Tryphena as the Manager of a Drapery Shop, living in Matlock. > In 1911 there is a William BROWN, widower, b c 1868 Wessington living in Matlock Bath, occupation Hosier & General Draper. > Seems likely those two are the same William. > But whether that is the right William only some more info might tell. > > Christine > > -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 3:16 PM > To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DBY]Re: Birth registration Ashover? > > Hi Christine > > I too followed that same line of thought but got waylaid with other > enquiries ;-) > > The one fly in the ointment to both the marriage to Tryphena and birth, > is that there is a William H BROWN aged 15 in Sheffield in 1881, he is a > farm labourer, born Derbyshire and what looks like Willinthorp > > I don't know of a place so named in Derbyshire, possible Willington? or > Wessington? but he doesn't seem to be around in other census > > In 1871 the William with Maria has a birthplace Wessington > > The William mentioned by Peter in 1881 as PATILEA aged 15 has Ashover as > birthplace > > In 1891 William Henry aged 26 with Tryphena has a birthplace Wessington > > The William Hy in 1901 hubby to Tryphena gives a birthplace Wessington > > Both appear to die before the 1911 1905/6 > > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 20/06/2018 14:04, Christine Benson via DERBYSGEN wrote: >> Hi Peter, >> >> Presuming Nivard's suggestion for his birth is correct he has a second name Henry. If you include that name in the search and are not too exact on birth year you will find him in later years. He appears to have married Tryphena HOLDEN in 1890 in Belper. This all needs confirmation as the name is fairly common. There is also at least one tree for him - but some trees are more myth than fact and I haven't checked this one. >> >> Hope this helps >> >> Christine > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thank you Christine & Nivard I have ordered the William and Tryphena marriage cert to see if further light shines Peter > On 20 Jun 2018, at 14:04, Christine Benson via DERBYSGEN <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hi Peter, > > Presuming Nivard's suggestion for his birth is correct he has a second name Henry. If you include that name in the search and are not too exact on birth year you will find him in later years. He appears to have married Tryphena HOLDEN in 1890 in Belper. This all needs confirmation as the name is fairly common. There is also at least one tree for him - but some trees are more myth than fact and I haven't checked this one. > > Hope this helps > > Christine > > -----Original Message----- From: Peter Patilla > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 10:53 AM > To: Derbysgen Derbyshire > Subject: [DBY]Birth registration Ashover? > > Good morning > > I am trying to tidy up a birth year for William BROWN son of Maria BOWN. I only have his birth year from census returns plus he disappears after 1881 and would like to "tidy him up” > > He was born William BROWN out of wedlock to Maria BOWN and in 1871 was at Bedlam Yard Wessington aged 5 (grandson) with Maria BROWN 28 (daughter) also Hannah MARRIOTT 7 (visitor) – no other household > [RG10 3608 49 7] > > In 1881he was William PATILLA (transcribed as PATILEA) aged 15 at Pot House Row, Crich. Whether George PATILLA ever married Maria BROWN is unknown but six children followed William. Again, whether George PATILLA was the father of William is unknown > [RG11 3415 16 25] > > After 1881 I loose him. Marriage? Death? > > So, all I have is born c1866 from the census. I was hoping to find this in the GRO records to at least more or less confirm the year of birth > Cannot find a baptism either although the family rather went for “batch” baptisms with children aged between 1 and 9! > > Where were ASHOVER births registered? Chesterfield? > > Peter > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Have you considered WILLIAMTHORPE as being the village - I have not lived in that area for many years but there was a colliery there, probably in my younger days, it was in the area on the Chesterfield to Mansfield road - oh and my home village was Palterton. Regards Jack Richards -----Original Message----- From: Peter Patilla [mailto:ppatilla@mac.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 4:25 PM To: Family History Derbyshire Subject: [DBY]Re: Birth registration Ashover? Thank you Christine & Nivard I have ordered the William and Tryphena marriage cert to see if further light shines Peter > On 20 Jun 2018, at 14:04, Christine Benson via DERBYSGEN <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hi Peter, > > Presuming Nivard's suggestion for his birth is correct he has a second name Henry. If you include that name in the search and are not too exact on birth year you will find him in later years. He appears to have married Tryphena HOLDEN in 1890 in Belper. This all needs confirmation as the name is fairly common. There is also at least one tree for him - but some trees are more myth than fact and I haven't checked this one. > > Hope this helps > > Christine > > -----Original Message----- From: Peter Patilla > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 10:53 AM > To: Derbysgen Derbyshire > Subject: [DBY]Birth registration Ashover? > > Good morning > > I am trying to tidy up a birth year for William BROWN son of Maria BOWN. I only have his birth year from census returns plus he disappears after 1881 and would like to "tidy him up” > > He was born William BROWN out of wedlock to Maria BOWN and in 1871 was at Bedlam Yard Wessington aged 5 (grandson) with Maria BROWN 28 (daughter) also Hannah MARRIOTT 7 (visitor) – no other household > [RG10 3608 49 7] > > In 1881he was William PATILLA (transcribed as PATILEA) aged 15 at Pot House Row, Crich. Whether George PATILLA ever married Maria BROWN is unknown but six children followed William. Again, whether George PATILLA was the father of William is unknown > [RG11 3415 16 25] > > After 1881 I loose him. Marriage? Death? > > So, all I have is born c1866 from the census. I was hoping to find this in the GRO records to at least more or less confirm the year of birth > Cannot find a baptism either although the family rather went for “batch” baptisms with children aged between 1 and 9! > > Where were ASHOVER births registered? Chesterfield? > > Peter > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

There is a Williamthorpe area/hamlet in North Wingfield. Lou ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Richards" <ronstan@richardsbygonetimes.co.uk> To: "derbysgen" <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 1:27:30 AM Subject: [DBY]Re: Birth registration Ashover? Have you considered WILLIAMTHORPE as being the village - I have not lived in that area for many years but there was a colliery there, probably in my younger days, it was in the area on the Chesterfield to Mansfield road - oh and my home village was Palterton. Regards Jack Richards -----Original Message----- From: Peter Patilla [mailto:ppatilla@mac.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 4:25 PM To: Family History Derbyshire Subject: [DBY]Re: Birth registration Ashover? Thank you Christine & Nivard I have ordered the William and Tryphena marriage cert to see if further light shines Peter > On 20 Jun 2018, at 14:04, Christine Benson via DERBYSGEN <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hi Peter, > > Presuming Nivard's suggestion for his birth is correct he has a second name Henry. If you include that name in the search and are not too exact on birth year you will find him in later years. He appears to have married Tryphena HOLDEN in 1890 in Belper. This all needs confirmation as the name is fairly common. There is also at least one tree for him - but some trees are more myth than fact and I haven't checked this one. > > Hope this helps > > Christine > > -----Original Message----- From: Peter Patilla > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 10:53 AM > To: Derbysgen Derbyshire > Subject: [DBY]Birth registration Ashover? > > Good morning > > I am trying to tidy up a birth year for William BROWN son of Maria BOWN. I only have his birth year from census returns plus he disappears after 1881 and would like to "tidy him up” > > He was born William BROWN out of wedlock to Maria BOWN and in 1871 was at Bedlam Yard Wessington aged 5 (grandson) with Maria BROWN 28 (daughter) also Hannah MARRIOTT 7 (visitor) – no other household > [RG10 3608 49 7] > > In 1881he was William PATILLA (transcribed as PATILEA) aged 15 at Pot House Row, Crich. Whether George PATILLA ever married Maria BROWN is unknown but six children followed William. Again, whether George PATILLA was the father of William is unknown > [RG11 3415 16 25] > > After 1881 I loose him. Marriage? Death? > > So, all I have is born c1866 from the census. I was hoping to find this in the GRO records to at least more or less confirm the year of birth > Cannot find a baptism either although the family rather went for “batch” baptisms with children aged between 1 and 9! > > Where were ASHOVER births registered? Chesterfield? > > Peter > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community