Hi Dennis, I presume your May is the one spelt FLAVEL. She seems to have been registered twice so does that mean there is something about the "adoption" on one of the birth certificates. Have you tried getting hold of both of them and/or finding the reason for the double registration? Christine -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Fflavell Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 7:36 PM To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DBY] Brickwall demolition - A From: Dennis Fflavell Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 4:55 PM To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DBY] Brickwall demolition - A Seeking info on May FLAVELL born 1881 Walsall, Staffs. Her Mother Mary Jane FLAVELL prev. MANDER, nee ONIONS, died 2 months after birth; father Job FLAVELL working away in the Notts / Derby coalfield. He later re-married and lived Clay Cross. May FLAVELL said to have been ‘adopted’ and taken to Canada whilst her brother my grandfather Benjamin Job FLAVELL put into a workhouse / orphanage. My grandfather re joined his father Job by 1891 in Clay Cross in time to go down the pit and he himself to marry Annie LOWE in Calow.. Have hit my brick wall with gt. aunt May FLAVELL. Regards Dennis FLAVELL – Cambridgeshire

Christine Benson wrote: > Hi Dennis, > > I presume your May is the one spelt FLAVEL. She seems to have been > registered twice so does that mean there is something about the "adoption" > on one of the birth certificates. Have you tried getting hold of both of > them and/or finding the reason for the double registration? The 'a' after the page number indicates there was an amendment to the original entry. There was no legal adoption until 1927 when the orginal certificate would mention the adoption. Before then there were private arrangements that were more akin to our modern fostering arrangements so wouldn't be mentioned. The usual reasons for a re-registration would be where the mother of an illegitimate child named the father on the certificate (with a little tinkering with her own name) which was later removed, a correction to the date of birth, place of birth, a parent's name or the father's occupation. The first reason is not applicable in this instance because the mother was married. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Thank you Charani. I knew there was no legal adoption at the time. That's why I put the word in quotes, as did Dennis. But I didn't know what might have caused re-registration. I still think it would be interesting to know the reason. Also some censuses in Canada have the DOB on. It might be worth investigating all the May's in Canada with that birth date. But it might prove a large task. Christine -----Original Message----- From: Charani Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 12:08 AM To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Cc: Christine Benson Subject: Re: [DBY] Brickwall demolition - FLAVEL Christine Benson wrote: > Hi Dennis, > > I presume your May is the one spelt FLAVEL. She seems to have been > registered twice so does that mean there is something about the "adoption" > on one of the birth certificates. Have you tried getting hold of both of > them and/or finding the reason for the double registration? The 'a' after the page number indicates there was an amendment to the original entry. There was no legal adoption until 1927 when the orginal certificate would mention the adoption. Before then there were private arrangements that were more akin to our modern fostering arrangements so wouldn't be mentioned. The usual reasons for a re-registration would be where the mother of an illegitimate child named the father on the certificate (with a little tinkering with her own name) which was later removed, a correction to the date of birth, place of birth, a parent's name or the father's occupation. The first reason is not applicable in this instance because the mother was married. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Thanks Charani and Christine. The birth certificates show s May FLAVELL though research often shows variant spellings. One spelling on passenger lists shows a LAVELL. After much research I think that the name was changed on the 'adoption' and have looked for surnames of relatives. Not sure how long May would have remained in England. The story told of her brother, my grandfather Benjamin Job (sometimes Job Benjamin) FLAVELL is that on death of his mother in Walsall, he was placed into a Workhouse or Orphanage untill re-joining his father in 1911 Clay Cross. I've been a member of the British Home Child List group for some years and followed without success a number of leads. I have the two birth certificates for May FLAVELL, her mother died in the Birmingham Rd. 'Hospital', Walsall. The first birth certificate was reg. by May's aunt surnamed MOFFITT and sister of the mother. Three weeks later the 2nd birth certificate was registered by May's grandmother, (mother of the mother) Rebecca ONIONS. With regards Dennis FLAVELL -----Original Message----- From: Christine Benson Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 12:30 AM To: Charani ; derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DBY] Brickwall demolition - FLAVEL Thank you Charani. I knew there was no legal adoption at the time. That's why I put the word in quotes, as did Dennis. But I didn't know what might have caused re-registration. I still think it would be interesting to know the reason. Also some censuses in Canada have the DOB on. It might be worth investigating all the May's in Canada with that birth date. But it might prove a large task. Christine -----Original Message----- From: Charani Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 12:08 AM To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Cc: Christine Benson Subject: Re: [DBY] Brickwall demolition - FLAVEL Christine Benson wrote: > Hi Dennis, > > I presume your May is the one spelt FLAVEL. She seems to have been > registered twice so does that mean there is something about the "adoption" > on one of the birth certificates. Have you tried getting hold of both of > them and/or finding the reason for the double registration? The 'a' after the page number indicates there was an amendment to the original entry. There was no legal adoption until 1927 when the orginal certificate would mention the adoption. Before then there were private arrangements that were more akin to our modern fostering arrangements so wouldn't be mentioned. The usual reasons for a re-registration would be where the mother of an illegitimate child named the father on the certificate (with a little tinkering with her own name) which was later removed, a correction to the date of birth, place of birth, a parent's name or the father's occupation. The first reason is not applicable in this instance because the mother was married. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can think of no reason for 2 birth certificates, can anyone else suggest. Mother had just died 1881, Father away working in the relatively new Notts / Derby coalfield. Was there a rift in the family as what to do with the two children ? Perhaps with grandma ONIONS on one side and aunt MOFFITT on the other, both doing what they thought best for May and in fact Benjamin Job. Would have thought in these particular circumstances that the adoption would have been through or too a family member; though perhaps maybe directly from the workhouse orphanage to Canada as a British Home Child, though of this I can find no definite road or trace. With regards Dennis FLAVELL -----Original Message----- From: Christine Benson Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:25 PM To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DBY] Brickwall demolition - A Hi Dennis, I presume your May is the one spelt FLAVEL. She seems to have been registered twice so does that mean there is something about the "adoption" on one of the birth certificates. Have you tried getting hold of both of them and/or finding the reason for the double registration? Christine -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Fflavell Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 7:36 PM To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DBY] Brickwall demolition - A From: Dennis Fflavell Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 4:55 PM To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DBY] Brickwall demolition - A Seeking info on May FLAVELL born 1881 Walsall, Staffs. Her Mother Mary Jane FLAVELL prev. MANDER, nee ONIONS, died 2 months after birth; father Job FLAVELL working away in the Notts / Derby coalfield. He later re-married and lived Clay Cross. May FLAVELL said to have been ‘adopted’ and taken to Canada whilst her brother my grandfather Benjamin Job FLAVELL put into a workhouse / orphanage. My grandfather re joined his father Job by 1891 in Clay Cross in time to go down the pit and he himself to marry Annie LOWE in Calow.. Have hit my brick wall with gt. aunt May FLAVELL. Regards Dennis FLAVELL – Cambridgeshire ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message