OK, I know there aren't THAT many surnames beginning with U but how many have wives in their family trees from that large well known family of UNKNOWN? :)) -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Loads of them - weren't they prolific? -----Original Message----- From: Charani <charani.b@gmail.com> To: derbysgen <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 11:39 Subject: [DBY] Brickwall Demolition - U OK, I know there aren't THAT many surnames beginning with U but how many have wives in their family trees from that large well known family of UNKNOWN? :))-- Charani (UK)OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick,Greinton and Clutton, SOMhttp://wsom-opc.org.uk-------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My 5GGF, Joseph UFTON 'of Breadsall' married Mary PORTER 'of Ockbrook' in Ockbrook 21 Apr 1731. I haven't managed to find anything more about them, for instance, I can't find any other Breadsall UFTONs. Has anyone made any further progress with either of these people, please?  Of their six children, Hannah, my 4GGM, m Michael STEVENS, and her brother, Joseph, m Elizabeth DOWMAN, who may well be linked with my other Ockbrook DOWMANs. Kind regards Joy > Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 11:35:03 +0100 > From: charani.b@gmail.com > To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DBY] Brickwall Demolition - U > > OK, I know there aren't THAT many surnames beginning with U but how > many have wives in their family trees from that large well known > family of UNKNOWN? :)) > > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, > Greinton and Clutton, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

From: Charani <charani.b@gmail.com> > OK, I know there aren't THAT many surnames beginning with U but how > many have wives in their family trees from that large well known > family of UNKNOWN? :)) > > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, > Greinton and Clutton, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk> If you enter just the surname UNKNOWN into FreeBMD you will get a message telling you that there are more than 50,000 entries and the maximum that can be displayed is 3,000. The number of unknown births is 4,033 and the vast majority, of course, are deaths - the search tells you there are more than 50,000, so lord knows what the actual number is! However, I find it very interesting that if you look for marriages where the surname of one party was unknown there are only eight in total, seven of them women. Initially, I wondered how people managed to get married without giving their surname to the vicar or registrar, but I think there is an explanation. Purely out of interest I followed up one marriage, that of AUGUSTUS STEPTO to ROSETTA UNKNOWN at Bethnal Green in the Sep quarter of 1866 (1c 525). The GRO marriage indexes (printed) show that the entry "Unknown, Rosetta" has been added at the bottom of the page. But the actual marriage certificate is found at Ancestry's London Parish Records and quite clearly shows that the woman's name was either McLOAN or McLOON. Her father's name was given too as Matthew McLoan or McLoon, deceased. So the problem there would appear to be with the GRO indexes and not that the woman's name wasn't known. To take another example, there is an entry for HENRY UNKNOWN at Pancras in the Dec quarter of 1860 (1b 30). Look at the entry in the GRO marriage indexes and you will see that his name has been crossed through. However, again Ancestry's LMA records have a record for the marriage of Henry HARBERD to Betsy STRINGALL, so the problem again would appear to lie with the GRO indexes. I haven't checked the others but I suspect they would turn out to be the same, i.e. errors in the GRO records. But I do find the fact that FreeBMD shows more than 50,000 people who died unknown somewhat poignant. Probably many were children who died in workhouses and institutions whose identity was not known. Entering "Unknown" as the surname and the county as Derbyshire produces a substantial number of entries for births and a huge number of deaths. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE