Afternoon all Just back from holiday and catching up on emails. Computer is sulking at lack of attention for a week and is going slow. I would like to thank all those who replied to my Isaac Patilla brick- wall query. The responses have really helped me. I like the suggestion from Andy that they may have "hidden" in the mine shaft to avoid the censuses. This seems like a possible Patilla trait! To feed-back the information received. I have two Isaac Patilla on my tree, one was married and lived in Crich area, the other (my brick wall) was a miner born in Shirland 1858. Thanks to Geraldine I have some answers but some more research oddities to sort out. Isaac had a brother Henry who changed his name to Alec between 1871 and 1881. They lived/boarded together until 1911. Their surname varied between Patilla, Turner and Clark. Their place of birth varied between Shirland and Sheffield (they did live in Sheffield for a time with Aunt Ann Bown). Throughout the census they were miners When they self-filled in the 1911 census they gave Turner as surname and misspelt forenames. When Isaac died in 1923 he was recorded as Isaac Patilla aged 65, miner. I am now going to look for Alec/Henry Patilla/Clark/Turner death. He will be hiding in there somewhere. Also trying to find why they used Turner as surname ... intrigued Very glad to have posted the query and thanks again to all who responded Peter On 21 May 2013, at 23:01, Geraldine Bancroft wrote: > Hi Peter > > Further to my last post, about change of name, there are two brothers in > Skegby in 1901 - Alec & Isaac - boarders with family named CLARK - the > surname has been dittoed down so these might be your two although the ages > are a bit out and born in Sheffield which could have been Shirland misheard? > > Again can't find a Isaac CLARK born 1858 Sheffield on any other Census. > > I have now found Isaac & Alic TURNER born Sheffield in Skegby in 1891 - > lodgers aged 31 & 33 - both miners & single. > > More questions than answers, I'm afraid! > > Geraldine > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Patilla > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 2:51 PM > To: Derbyshire Derbysgen > Subject: [DBY] Isaac Patilla vanishes > > Afternoon all > I have been waiting for the Ps to appear > My brick wall is Isaac Patilla born 1858 in Ashover/Brackenfield/Shirland > area; a miner who died 1923 in Mansfield area > I have tracked him with difficulty in 1861, 1871 and 1881 (Partiller, Pathia > and Satilla) > However the remaining three census have him hidden. I have tried prisons > (first avenue of enquiry) services, passenger lists but drawn a blank > I would like to find his whereabouts if possible > Peter > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message