Hi List, After the sucess of my previous Brickwall breakdown, I wonder if you could find any further information about the following: Derby Mecury Wednesday October 18th 1898 James Horace RAMSEY, formely a cashier in Chesterfield, was brought up charged with embezzling 17l 15s belonging to a Welsh newspaper Company. On the application of Head Constable EMERY, a remand was granted. I have a Horace James RAMSAY in my tree who is missing in the 1901 census and 1911 census. His wife Flora RAMSAY (nee HOLMES b. 1869 Chesterfield) is living with her mother in 1901 with her two children May RAMSAY (b. abt 1894 Chesterfield) and Horace S RAMSAY (b. abt 1896 Torquary). I am unable to find any of the family in the 1911 census. 1) Does anybody know the outcome of the court case of James Horace RAMSEY? Is this my Horace James RAMSAY? 2) What happened to this family after 1901? I am unable to find deaths or remarriages Thank you for your time, Jon Cantrill -- My family tree - RootsWeb's WorldConnect Project: C A N T R I L L http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=astridhq

Hi Jon Unfortunately you don't give his age, birthplace or other identifying information so it may be nothing to do with your man but in 1911 (not entirely sure what he was an inmate of though?) 1911 England Census about Horace James Ramsay Name: Horace James Ramsay Age in 1911: 51 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relation to Head: Inmate Gender: Male Birth Place: Lanark, Scotland Civil Parish: Fulham County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 8 Star Road, West Kensington W Marital Status: Widowed Occupation: CLERK PRINTER Registration District: Fulham Registration District Number: 3 Sub-registration District: North East Fulham ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Piece: 311 Household Members: Name Age Ernest Benjamin Seaman 24 Lilian Emma Baker 24 Kate Ethel Palmer 27 Alfred Young 64 Thomas Henry Morgan 29 James Smith Baker 42 Charles Bank Akery 33 Benjamin Daniel Blake 48 Albert Walter Carter 28 Edward Charles Chester 22 James Coutts 43 Albert Edwin Gray 43 Alfred Grice 24 Alfred George Hancock 22 William Henry Harford 45 Patrick McAleer 28 Edward George Martin 41 Alec Priestley 27 Horace James Ramsay 51 Walter Henry Kingsley 28 John Stockes 31 Herbert Trosh 30 Ernest Henry West 45 Francis William Worcester 22 Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 311. Is this his marriage? England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1940 about Horace James Ramsay Name: Horace James Ramsay Gender: Male Father's Name: William Ramsay Spouse's Name: Florry Holmes Spouse's Father's Name: Samuel Holmes Marriage Date: 24 Oct 1892 Marriage Place: Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England There is a Horace J RAMSAY b1856 Lanark Scotland in the 1891 which suggests the above may be your man In the newspapers In Nov 1893 Horace James RAMSAY was found guilty of embezzlement and sentenced to six months hard labour (Derbyshire Times) He does not seem to have learned by the experience as in July 1896 he was found guilty of embezzelment again it mentions he was going by the name Vasey Howard RAMSDALE alias Horace James RAMSAY He was given twelve months on that occasion He was carried into and out of court on the back of a policeman as he was suffering from rheumatism (Derbyshire Times) I do not see him in 1901, if he was an inmate of her majestys pleasure or in a hospital somewhere he may well be enumerated under initials only, of which there are several possibilities Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 28/05/2013 12:42, Jon Cantrill wrote: > Hi List, > > After the sucess of my previous Brickwall breakdown, I wonder if you > could find any further information about the following: > > Derby Mecury Wednesday October 18th 1898 > James Horace RAMSEY, formely a cashier in Chesterfield, was brought up > charged with embezzling 17l 15s belonging to a Welsh newspaper > Company. On the application of Head Constable EMERY, a remand was > granted. > > I have a Horace James RAMSAY in my tree who is missing in the 1901 > census and 1911 census. His wife Flora RAMSAY (nee HOLMES b. 1869 > Chesterfield) is living with her mother in 1901 with her two children > May RAMSAY (b. abt 1894 Chesterfield) and Horace S RAMSAY (b. abt 1896 > Torquary). I am unable to find any of the family in the 1911 census. > > 1) Does anybody know the outcome of the court case of James Horace > RAMSEY? Is this my Horace James RAMSAY? > > 2) What happened to this family after 1901? I am unable to find deaths > or remarriages > > Thank you for your time, > > Jon Cantrill