Thank you Nivard, you are correct in your assumptions, and it seems that James Horace RAMSEY and Horace James RAMSAY are the same person. Can't wait to tell my Mum and Dad about the rogue in the family (if only by marriage). Still can't find Flora/Florry RAMSAY (nee HOLMES) or her two children after 1901 Jon Cantrill -- My family tree - RootsWeb's WorldConnect Project: C A N T R I L L http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=astridhq