Hi again Karen, if you check the free indexes at BMD Registers www.bmdregisters.co.uk for Elias ENGLAND, you find he was the father of a Dorothy ENGLAND of Eastwood, Notts who in 1696 married Thomas BIGGS of Nottingham, recorded in the Quarterly Meeting of Nottingham, ie. the Quakers. Among the witnesses are: John ENGLAND; George ENGLAND; David ENGLAND. It doesn't look as though Elias was a long-term Quaker himself, but there could be more information about him in the Quaker collection at Notts Archives. BMDR index also shows a Quaker marriage in Chesterfield Monthly Meeting for Elizabeth ENGLAND in 1691. Looking at the original image on The Genealogist, we find she married William DAWS of Graisley, she being of Eastwood, Notts. Among the witnesses were Ellis and Elizab. ENGLAND, John ENGLAND, David ENGLAND. You would be able to see both marriages for yourself on film at an FHC or could request copies from Chesterfield Local Studies (or buy some credits for The Genealogist/BMD Registers). Elias/Ellis and David were both popular Puritan or Quaker names at this time. It's entirely possible that Elias's birth/bap record does not exist if his family were Puritans (ie. Presbyterians, Independents or Congregationalists) in the 1660-1689 period of persecution, as they were often forced to meet in secret and records were seldom kept. It's possible Elias was a 'friend of the Friends' not a full member, though the two girls in the marriages were, presumably, fully in unity. I have a John RENSHAW of Chesterfield and Whitwell in my files who was such a 'friend of the Friends' and probably Puritan himself (I suspect Independent) - an Edward ENGLAND yeoman of Whitwell is one of John's Will witnesses in 1706, another location close to the Notts borders. If you find you have Edward in your family, please let me know! Celia Renshaw in Chesterfield UK On 9 May 2013 11:33, Karen <kaehansen28@gmail.com> wrote: > Many thanks to Celia - you have now given me another piece of puzzle > to play with ..lol > > Elias born about 1725 - which part of derbyshire Unknown - as he is > not on the Alfreton baptism register - > > On the Diocese of Lichfield and Coventry - his residence is listed as > Greenhill Lane Alfreton - > > Is anyone able to give me any more details eg b/m and d > > Many thanks Karen > >