I can find no record of the birth/bapt. of John DERBYSHIRE. >From Census and age at death he was born about 1805 at Yeaveley, which at that time was in Shirley parish. He married at North Wingfield in 1826 and had 3 children there before returning to Yeaveley/Shirley. There is an interesting gap in the children of William DERBYSHIRE/ Ann TITTERTON between1802 and 1808 bapt. at Shirley. I note that Fanny was bapt. at Edlaston in 1811. Could William and Ann have been away from Shirley when John was born in 1805? Page of 1805 of Longford P.R. is missing, but John DERBYSHIRE is not in the Longford BTs, or of Edlaston. Ann TITTERTON, the possible mother, is from Longford. There are other possible bapts. further afield. Can I rashly assume that John’s bapt. was lost in the paperwork of Longford? Bob Jennings.

BobJ wrote: > > I can find no record of the birth/bapt. of John DERBYSHIRE. > > From Census and age at death he was born about 1805 at Yeaveley, which at > that time was in Shirley parish. The information is only as good as the informant. If John believed he was born in Shirley, that's what he would have said. It may be he was born elsewhere and moved there when he was very young so having no memory of living somewhere else. Age at death would be given by someone who may not have known exactly how old John was so made a guestimate or was grieving so not able to remember as well as they might have under normal circumstances. Have you tried either Familysearch and/or FreeREG? > There is an interesting gap in the children of William DERBYSHIRE/ Ann > TITTERTON between1802 and 1808 bapt. at Shirley. I note that Fanny was bapt. > at Edlaston in 1811. > > Could William and Ann have been away from Shirley when John was born in > 1805? It's possible, esp if either William and/or Ann had family or friends in another parish who they could have been visiting when John decided to put in an appearance. > Page of 1805 of Longford P.R. is missing, but John DERBYSHIRE is not in the > Longford BTs, or of Edlaston. > Ann TITTERTON, the possible mother, is from Longford. > > There are other possible bapts. further afield. They'd be worth checking out just in case one is your man. Also search a wider date range. Don't forget he may not have been baptised when he was still a babe in arms. He could have been several years old or only baptised just prior to his marriage. > Can I rashly assume that John’s bapt. was lost in the paperwork of Longford? You could but it might be better to note his likely year of birth/baptism with a rider that confirmation has not been possible to identify so far. Presumably you've tried different spellings and contractions such as DARBYSHIRE, DERBY, DARBY? The registers weren't made up at the time of the events. They could have been noted on a piece of paper, in a day book if the relevant parish had one or, worst of all, committed to memory. It's possible John was baptised in the expected parish but simply omitted which is not, of course, helpful for you. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk