Hi again Joy, On further checking the Frearson Tree, there is a possible Thomas, son of my 6xG Grandfather Joseph Frearson b.1690 in Ockbrook, who was born in my records in about 1717/1718. However, the marriage of Thomas in 1755 suggests he was 25, and this born in about 1730 - so there is a 10 year discrepancy. However, there isn't much info on that Thomas - no 'obvious' marriage, no death - perhaps there is no record of the death - and perhaps 6xGG Joseph had another Thomas much later than son Stephen in 1725. I must recheck the Will etc for any Thomas clues etc. It would be good to sort it - I don't like the Butler line descending from an infant who died aged about 1 month!! Best etc John -----Original Message----- From: John Frearson Sent: Tuesday, 21 February, 2017 11:51 AM To: Derbyshire genealogy Cc: Joy Hungerford Subject: Re: [DBY] New website for LYNAM of Derbyshire Hi Joy, Yes indeed, at least one other has done work on the Frearson-Butler line. As I have it, the Joseph and Ann Butler relationship, with Joseph Butler Frearson b.30 Jan 1790, just after Joseph's marriage to Eliz Baggualey [26 Jan 1790]! This assumes that this is the same Joseph Frearson who later died in London, and this may not be as solid as some claim!! I have Joseph born either in 1857 in Ockbrook or Sept 1765. One Joseph was buried at a very early age. My thoughts are that Joseph was the son of Thomas Frearson, b.c.1730 prob in Ockbrook based on I recall various documents at Derby RO. However, I have not got a father for Thomas who married Mary Burrow. Some are happy to connect him with the main Ockbrook family, I'm not sure although there were other non-family connections with the Burrow family. Having done some DNA testing on the main Derbyshire Frearson family - lots more to do on the project - it would be interesting to test a Butler on the direct line. Whilst the DNA is a fairly common one, at least it might narrow the possibilities. It seems we are now allowed to mention DNA on this site - I nearly got thrown off for suggesting it some years ago!! I need to revisit the sources with a cold towel around my head - any thoughts info on the connection would be welcome. My thanks and Best wishes, John -----Original Message----- From: Joy Hungerford via DERBYSGEN Sent: Tuesday, 21 February, 2017 11:27 AM To: Derbyshire genealogy Cc: Joy Hungerford Subject: Re: [DBY] New website for LYNAM of Derbyshire Hi John I remember some correspondence e had about Joseph FREARSON, who didn't actually marry my cousin, Ann BUTLER, but whose son, Joseph Frearson BUTLER, founded a formidable dynasty of worthies in Bristol, including William BUTLER JP, a friend of Isambard Kingdom BRUNEL, and owner of the Crews Hole Tar Refinery. Did you ever dig deeper into Joseph's ancestry? Kind regards Joy