I would certainly agree with that statement Nivard BUT on the other hand I would sure love to believe my story and will keep searching until I can prove it correct or possibly not. I do appreciate your comments though. Steve Bowen -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 11:35 AM To: Steve Bowen; 'Derbyshire genealogy' Subject: Re: [DBY] Hugh de Allsop I have found a great number of these family histories are very wordy but not always accurate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achievement_(heraldry) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 12-May-17 4:09 PM, Steve Bowen wrote: > Thanks Nivard BUT what brought me to this statement was this quote > from a history book on The Allsops: > > "Hugh de Alsop, a younger son of Gamellus, went with Richard I on the > Third Crusade (1189-91) to the Holy Land. He was captain of a company > under the command of Sir Ralph de Lyleburne, who was colonel of four > companies. The king recognized Hugh's bravery and competence by > bestowing upon him the Order of Knightbood, and as a further honor, > permitting him to select his own personal design to wear on the front > of his shield. The "Achievement of Arms" as these identifying symbols > were later known, was to have six falcon's heads on the shield. Hugh > married the niece of Sir Ralph (by his sister), the daughter of Rober > de Farington, and received lands in Derbyshire to live as a returning hero." > > Maybe this is not a Coat of Arms, I am not sure but I would still be > very interested in seeing it. > > Steve Bowen

Hi again Steve I think you may have misunderstood my reply I wasn't saying the whole thing was fictitious, I was saying the wording used in many a family history are/were ambiguous It still remains the case that a coat of arms, of which a part was the crest, was to an individual not a family Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 12-May-17 5:22 PM, Steve Bowen wrote: > I would certainly agree with that statement Nivard BUT on the other hand I > would sure love to believe my story and will keep searching until I can > prove it correct or possibly not. I do appreciate your comments though. > > Steve Bowen