Thanks Nivard BUT what brought me to this statement was this quote from a history book on The Allsops: "Hugh de Alsop, a younger son of Gamellus, went with Richard I on the Third Crusade (1189-91) to the Holy Land. He was captain of a company under the command of Sir Ralph de Lyleburne, who was colonel of four companies. The king recognized Hugh's bravery and competence by bestowing upon him the Order of Knightbood, and as a further honor, permitting him to select his own personal design to wear on the front of his shield. The "Achievement of Arms" as these identifying symbols were later known, was to have six falcon's heads on the shield. Hugh married the niece of Sir Ralph (by his sister), the daughter of Rober de Farington, and received lands in Derbyshire to live as a returning hero." Maybe this is not a Coat of Arms, I am not sure but I would still be very interested in seeing it. Steve Bowen -----Original Message----- From: DERBYSGEN [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington via DERBYSGEN Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 10:14 AM To: [email protected] Cc: Nivard Ovington Subject: Re: [DBY] Hugh de Allsop Hi Steve Not wishing to throw cold water over your find but unfortunately there is no such thing as a family crest or family coat of arms, its awarded to one individual, if hereditary it would be slightly altered in each generation The crest is part of the coat of arms Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 12-May-17 2:31 PM, Steve Bowen via DERBYSGEN wrote: > I have a distant uncle who was Knighted by Richard The Lion Heart > after the Third Crusade and allowed a family crest containing 6 > falcons. Does anyone have any suggestions as to where I might look to > find a picture or drawing of that crest ? > > Steve Bowen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

FYI: http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Gamellus_De_Alsop_(1) Interesting. You may have already seen this. --WendyE Sent from my iPad > On May 12, 2017, at 11:09 AM, Steve Bowen via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> wrote: > > Achievement of > Arms" as these identifying symbols were later known, was to have six > falcon's heads on the shield.

I have found a great number of these family histories are very wordy but not always accurate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achievement_(heraldry) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 12-May-17 4:09 PM, Steve Bowen wrote: > Thanks Nivard BUT what brought me to this statement was this quote from a > history book on The Allsops: > > "Hugh de Alsop, a younger son of Gamellus, went with Richard I on the Third > Crusade (1189-91) to the Holy Land. He was captain of a company under the > command of Sir Ralph de Lyleburne, who was colonel of four companies. The > king recognized Hugh's bravery and competence by bestowing upon him the > Order of Knightbood, and as a further honor, permitting him to select his > own personal design to wear on the front of his shield. The "Achievement of > Arms" as these identifying symbols were later known, was to have six > falcon's heads on the shield. Hugh married the niece of Sir Ralph (by his > sister), the daughter of Rober de Farington, and received lands in > Derbyshire to live as a returning hero." > > Maybe this is not a Coat of Arms, I am not sure but I would still be very > interested in seeing it. > > Steve Bowen