I have a distant uncle who was Knighted by Richard The Lion Heart after the Third Crusade and allowed a family crest containing 6 falcons. Does anyone have any suggestions as to where I might look to find a picture or drawing of that crest ? Steve Bowen

Hi Steve Assuming Google hasn't turned anything up, I think your best bet would probably be the College of Arms. They are the people who grant arms and keep all the records. They could probably point you in the right direction. There are other website which promise arms for any surname, but I think most are doubtful. http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/services/genealogical-research Margaret On 12/05/2017 14:31, Steve Bowen via DERBYSGEN wrote: I have a distant uncle who was Knighted by Richard The Lion Heart after the Third Crusade and allowed a family crest containing 6 falcons. Does anyone have any suggestions as to where I might look to find a picture or drawing of that crest ? Steve Bowen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

How exciting Steve! Try 'The Institute of Heraldic and Genealogical Studies' http://www.ihgs.ac.uk/<http://www.ihgs.ac.uk/> Good luck, Carole ________________________________ From: DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> on behalf of Steve Bowen via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> Sent: 12 May 2017 14:31 To: [email protected] Cc: Steve Bowen Subject: [DBY] Hugh de Allsop I have a distant uncle who was Knighted by Richard The Lion Heart after the Third Crusade and allowed a family crest containing 6 falcons. Does anyone have any suggestions as to where I might look to find a picture or drawing of that crest ? Steve Bowen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hallo Steve If you enter "Heraldic Crest Records" in to Google, there is an interesting collection of possible lines of research eg College of Arms, Armorial Register etc. If the necessary dates of your relative and descendants apply to his / their local church, you might find something there or that might be wishful thinking! Regards Marion Sent from my iPad > On 12 May 2017, at 14:31, Steve Bowen via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> wrote: > > I have a distant uncle who was Knighted by Richard The Lion Heart after the > Third Crusade and allowed a family crest containing 6 falcons. Does anyone > have any suggestions as to where I might look to find a picture or drawing > of that crest ? > > Steve Bowen > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Steve Not wishing to throw cold water over your find but unfortunately there is no such thing as a family crest or family coat of arms, its awarded to one individual, if hereditary it would be slightly altered in each generation The crest is part of the coat of arms Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 12-May-17 2:31 PM, Steve Bowen via DERBYSGEN wrote: > I have a distant uncle who was Knighted by Richard The Lion Heart after the > Third Crusade and allowed a family crest containing 6 falcons. Does anyone > have any suggestions as to where I might look to find a picture or drawing > of that crest ? > > Steve Bowen

A description can be found in 'A Derbyshire Armory' compiled by Maxwell Craven (1991) viz., 'Argent a fesse gules between six falcons heads erased sable' Source reference is one of S. Glover's publications. James -----Original Message----- From: DERBYSGEN [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve Bowen via DERBYSGEN Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 2:31 PM To: [email protected] Cc: Steve Bowen Subject: [DBY] Hugh de Allsop I have a distant uncle who was Knighted by Richard The Lion Heart after the Third Crusade and allowed a family crest containing 6 falcons. Does anyone have any suggestions as to where I might look to find a picture or drawing of that crest ? Steve Bowen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com

Hey James, did you actually see it. The web site only lets you buy the book and I don't mind that as long as it is there. Do you have the book and is there more info about Hugh on it ? Steve Bowen -----Original Message----- From: DERBYSGEN [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of James Stafford via DERBYSGEN Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 6:29 PM To: 'Derbyshire genealogy' Cc: James Stafford Subject: Re: [DBY] Hugh de Allsop A description can be found in 'A Derbyshire Armory' compiled by Maxwell Craven (1991) viz., 'Argent a fesse gules between six falcons heads erased sable' Source reference is one of S. Glover's publications. James -----Original Message----- From: DERBYSGEN [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve Bowen via DERBYSGEN Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 2:31 PM To: [email protected] Cc: Steve Bowen Subject: [DBY] Hugh de Allsop I have a distant uncle who was Knighted by Richard The Lion Heart after the Third Crusade and allowed a family crest containing 6 falcons. Does anyone have any suggestions as to where I might look to find a picture or drawing of that crest ? Steve Bowen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Steve, I have a copy of Glover, and will have a look to see if there's a reproduction of the coat of arms in there. Regards, Brett On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Steve Bowen via DERBYSGEN < [email protected]> wrote: > Hey James, did you actually see it. The web site only lets you buy the book > and I don't mind that as long as it is there. Do you have the book and is > there more info about Hugh on it ? > > Steve Bowen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DERBYSGEN > [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf > Of James Stafford via DERBYSGEN > Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 6:29 PM > To: 'Derbyshire genealogy' > Cc: James Stafford > Subject: Re: [DBY] Hugh de Allsop > > A description can be found in 'A Derbyshire Armory' compiled by Maxwell > Craven (1991) viz., 'Argent a fesse gules between six falcons heads erased > sable' > > Source reference is one of S. Glover's publications. > > James > > -----Original Message----- > From: DERBYSGEN > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf > Of Steve Bowen via DERBYSGEN > Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 2:31 PM > To: [email protected] > Cc: Steve Bowen > Subject: [DBY] Hugh de Allsop > > > > I have a distant uncle who was Knighted by Richard The Lion Heart after the > > Third Crusade and allowed a family crest containing 6 falcons. Does anyone > > have any suggestions as to where I might look to find a picture or drawing > > of that crest ? > > > > Steve Bowen > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --- > > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > > http://www.avg.com > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >