Thanks again John, I find this most curious, If the indexes do not contain the fathers name and the mothers is blank, would the certificate itself contain any more information of use? Surely a birth cannot be registered without unless he was born under a gooseberry bush? :-) On 12/05/2017 15:30, John Cresswell wrote: > Hi Chris > Its somewhere around here > https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/menu.asp > Click on Search the GRO Indexes and register > then you can search to your hearts content. > > No the indexes do not contain the fathers name. > Unless they marry soon after, I guess hes no longer involved. > Regards > John > > On 12/05/2017 15:18, Chris Bowden wrote: >> Hi John, thank you for your information. I am not surprised that the >> mothers name is blank but this is very interesting and I wondered >> whatever happened to this Henry. How do I access the GRO index which has >> the details and would it contain the fathers name? >> >> regards Chris Bowden >> >> >> On 12/05/2017 13:46, John Cresswell wrote: >>> Hi Chris >>> Did you know that the GRO has an online index giving mothers maiden name. >>> In your case I think the entry has a hyphen indicating usually >>> the same surname, and possibly out of marriage. >>> Regards >>> John >>> >>> On 12/05/2017 13:34, Chris Bowden via DERBYSGEN wrote: >>>> Hi all, I have found the registration at High Peak for the birth of >>>> Henry Bowden Jul-Sept 1837. ( 19.288.129) I cannot find a matching >>>> baptism to discover who his parents where. Can anybody offer suggestions. >>>> >>>> regards >>>> >>>> Chris Bowden >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> ----- >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 2016.0.8013 / Virus Database: 4776/14463 - Release Date: 05/12/17 >> > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2016.0.8013 / Virus Database: 4776/14463 - Release Date: 05/12/17

If the child is registered under a name XXXXX and the mothers maiden name is blank, it implies that the birth was illegitimate ie it was registered in the mothers surname The GRO has told me that the mothers maiden name is in the index "where recorded" I asked for clarification (ie was it possibly in the original record and not recorded in the index) they said possibly Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 12-May-17 3:40 PM, Chris Bowden via DERBYSGEN wrote: > Thanks again John, I find this most curious, If the indexes do not > contain the fathers name and the mothers is blank, would the certificate > itself contain any more information of use? Surely a birth cannot be > registered without unless he was born under a gooseberry bush? :-) >

"they said possibly" In words you dont get to know unless you pay up. I am wondering if the local register office index has more info than the GRO? many thanks regards Chris On 12/05/2017 15:49, Nivard Ovington via DERBYSGEN wrote: > If the child is registered under a name XXXXX and the mothers maiden > name is blank, it implies that the birth was illegitimate > > ie it was registered in the mothers surname > > The GRO has told me that the mothers maiden name is in the index > "where recorded" I asked for clarification (ie was it possibly in the > original record and not recorded in the index) they said possibly > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 12-May-17 3:40 PM, Chris Bowden via DERBYSGEN wrote: >> Thanks again John, I find this most curious, If the indexes do not >> contain the fathers name and the mothers is blank, would the certificate >> itself contain any more information of use? Surely a birth cannot be >> registered without unless he was born under a gooseberry bush? :-) >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2016.0.8013 / Virus Database: 4776/14463 - Release Date: > 05/12/17

I have found that the GRO were sometimes unable to read the full information from the original certificate. As a result the surname of the father is there and the mother's maiden name is omitted. The birth certificate would give you the full information. It is amazing how often the information is so poor they couldn't read it. As a transcriber I can quite appreciate that. Liz -----Original Message----- From: DERBYSGEN [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Bowden via DERBYSGEN Sent: 12 May 2017 15:40 To: John Cresswell; Derbyshire genealogy Cc: Chris Bowden Subject: Re: [DBY] Henry Bowden 1871 High Peak, Derbyshire Thanks again John, I find this most curious, If the indexes do not contain the fathers name and the mothers is blank, would the certificate itself contain any more information of use? Surely a birth cannot be registered without unless he was born under a gooseberry bush? :-) On 12/05/2017 15:30, John Cresswell wrote: > Hi Chris > Its somewhere around here > https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/menu.asp > Click on Search the GRO Indexes and register > then you can search to your hearts content. > > No the indexes do not contain the fathers name. > Unless they marry soon after, I guess hes no longer involved. > Regards > John > > On 12/05/2017 15:18, Chris Bowden wrote: >> Hi John, thank you for your information. I am not surprised that the >> mothers name is blank but this is very interesting and I wondered >> whatever happened to this Henry. How do I access the GRO index which has >> the details and would it contain the fathers name? >> >> regards Chris Bowden >> >> >> On 12/05/2017 13:46, John Cresswell wrote: >>> Hi Chris >>> Did you know that the GRO has an online index giving mothers maiden name. >>> In your case I think the entry has a hyphen indicating usually >>> the same surname, and possibly out of marriage. >>> Regards >>> John >>> >>> On 12/05/2017 13:34, Chris Bowden via DERBYSGEN wrote: >>>> Hi all, I have found the registration at High Peak for the birth of >>>> Henry Bowden Jul-Sept 1837. ( 19.288.129) I cannot find a matching >>>> baptism to discover who his parents where. Can anybody offer suggestions. >>>> >>>> regards >>>> >>>> Chris Bowden >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> ----- >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 2016.0.8013 / Virus Database: 4776/14463 - Release Date: 05/12/17 >> > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2016.0.8013 / Virus Database: 4776/14463 - Release Date: 05/12/17 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com