Interesting reading all the different experiences re 1939 Register, my experience was that the information was redacted when it first became available on FMP and then some months afterwards it was opened. I actually took it up with FMP as I was curious to know what had been the trigger to do so but other than an apology and it being redacted again I could not get an answer to the question of exactly what had been found/produced to make the error. On the blog.findmypast.co.uk I found the following, dated 16th March 2016:- The Heading was 'Redaction & the 1939 Register and in answer to a question from someone asking if a death certificate had to be purchased if the person was born less than 100 yrs ago the answer was "Hi G., if that person was born less than 100 yrs. ago and is still alive we can't open the record publicly. If they died prior to 1991 their record will be open." O.K., we all know that, but then:- "If they died after 1991 we can open it up upon receipt of proof of death. This is a Legal requirement and beyond our control" October 16th 2016. I know they do 'cross referencing of data' they hold but how can this be a receipt of proof of a death that hasn't occurred and which apparently is a Legal requirement for them to have? Kathy in Kent Sent from my iPad

The page which has my grandparents with my dad and his siblings has the black lines at an angle and higher up the page than they should be, so some people who should be redacted are visible and vice versa! And some are partially redacted. Alan Bloor Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Kathy Wadlow <katatthefarm@live.co.uk> Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 1:28:11 PM To: derbys gen Subject: [DBY]THE 1939 REGISTER Interesting reading all the different experiences re 1939 Register, my experience was that the information was redacted when it first became available on FMP and then some months afterwards it was opened. I actually took it up with FMP as I was curious to know what had been the trigger to do so but other than an apology and it being redacted again I could not get an answer to the question of exactly what had been found/produced to make the error. On the blog.findmypast.co.uk I found the following, dated 16th March 2016:- The Heading was 'Redaction & the 1939 Register and in answer to a question from someone asking if a death certificate had to be purchased if the person was born less than 100 yrs ago the answer was "Hi G., if that person was born less than 100 yrs. ago and is still alive we can't open the record publicly. If they died prior to 1991 their record will be open." O.K., we all know that, but then:- "If they died after 1991 we can open it up upon receipt of proof of death. This is a Legal requirement and beyond our control" October 16th 2016. I know they do 'cross referencing of data' they hold but how can this be a receipt of proof of a death that hasn't occurred and which apparently is a Legal requirement for them to have? Kathy in Kent Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thanks, Cathy. This explains my MIL question. Although she (b1904) would be well past that 100 year mark, she did die after 1991. I wonder when/if that date will ever be moved? Carolyn On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 7:31 AM Kathy Wadlow <katatthefarm@live.co.uk> wrote: > Interesting reading all the different experiences re 1939 Register, my > experience was that the information was redacted when it first became > available on FMP and then some months afterwards it was opened. > I actually took it up with FMP as I was curious to know what had been the > trigger to do so but other than an apology and it being redacted again I > could not get an answer to the question of exactly what had been > found/produced to make the error. On the blog.findmypast.co.uk I found > the following, dated 16th March 2016:- > > The Heading was 'Redaction & the 1939 Register and in answer to a question > from someone asking if a death certificate had to be purchased if the > person was born less than 100 yrs ago the answer was "Hi G., if that > person was born less than 100 yrs. ago and is still alive we can't open the > record publicly. If they died prior to 1991 their record will be open." > O.K., we all know that, but then:- "If they died after 1991 we can > open it up upon receipt of proof of death. This is a Legal requirement and > beyond our control" October 16th 2016. > > I know they do 'cross referencing of data' they hold but how can this be > a receipt of proof of a death that hasn't occurred and which apparently is > a Legal requirement for them to have? > > Kathy > in Kent > > > Sent from my iPad > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > -- Carolyn Hastings Madison AL

I was under the impression that the later deaths (post 1991) were being cross referenced and opened but I may have that wrong So have emailed Findmypast in an effort to clarify I wondered if that 2016 blog was old news and had been superseded, but will await a reply and post again if I get one Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 13-May-18 1:28 PM, Kathy Wadlow wrote: > Interesting reading all the different experiences re 1939 Register, my experience was that the information was redacted when it first became available on FMP and then some months afterwards it was opened. > I actually took it up with FMP as I was curious to know what had been the trigger to do so but other than an apology and it being redacted again I could not get an answer to the question of exactly what had been found/produced to make the error. On the blog.findmypast.co.uk I found the following, dated 16th March 2016:- > > The Heading was 'Redaction & the 1939 Register and in answer to a question from someone asking if a death certificate had to be purchased if the person was born less than 100 yrs ago the answer was "Hi G., if that person was born less than 100 yrs. ago and is still alive we can't open the record publicly. If they died prior to 1991 their record will be open." > O.K., we all know that, but then:- "If they died after 1991 we can open it up upon receipt of proof of death. This is a Legal requirement and beyond our control" October 16th 2016. > > I know they do 'cross referencing of data' they hold but how can this be a receipt of proof of a death that hasn't occurred and which apparently is a Legal requirement for them to have? > > Kathy > in Kent

Clarification on the opening of records on the 1939 NIR by Findmypast I received a reply to my request for clarification from Findmypast Its not as I was lead to believe previously "If a person died before 1991 and had a death code added to their 1939 Register record, their record will be open. For deaths after 1991, we will open up the record on one of two occasions - - we receive a copy of the death certificate through the evidence of death form on the transcription - the person passes 100 years old" Previously I was under the impression they were cross referencing the registered deaths, it always seemed an unwieldy way of doing it so its no surprise to find that was false The interesting part to me was the mention of a death code added to the register whilst still in use to 1991 being the method of opening closed records It does beg the question though, how come so many people have had their records opened when they are still alive & kicking ? Not that I am complaining mind you ;-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 13-May-18 4:48 PM, Nivard Ovington wrote: > > I was under the impression that the later deaths (post 1991) were being > cross referenced and opened but I may have that wrong > > So have emailed Findmypast in an effort to clarify > > I wondered if that 2016 blog was old news and had been superseded, but > will await a reply and post again if I get one > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 13-May-18 1:28 PM, Kathy Wadlow wrote: >> Interesting reading all the different experiences re 1939 Register, my >> experience was that the information was redacted when it first became >> available on FMP and then some months afterwards it was opened. >> I actually took it up with FMP as I was curious to know what had been >> the trigger to do so but other than an apology and it being redacted >> again I could not get an answer to the question of exactly what had >> been found/produced to make the error. On the blog.findmypast.co.uk I >> found the following, dated 16th March 2016:- >> >> The Heading was 'Redaction & the 1939 Register and in answer to a >> question from someone asking if a death certificate had to be >> purchased if the person was born less than 100 yrs ago the answer >> was     "Hi G., if that person was born less than 100 yrs. ago and is >> still alive we can't open the record publicly. If they died prior to >> 1991 their record will be open." >> O.K.,  we all know that, but then:-      "If they died after 1991 we >> can open it up upon receipt of proof of death. This is a Legal >> requirement and beyond our control" October 16th 2016. >> >> I know they do 'cross referencing of data'  they hold but how can this >> be a receipt of proof of a death that hasn't occurred and which >> apparently is a Legal requirement for them to have? >> >> Kathy >> in Kent >

Thank you Nivard, for managing to get a fairly specific reply from FMP re the 'strange case of the "phantom" deaths ' as Agatha Christie might put it. I am still mystified as to what the criteria/info is that they are using to come up with so many, something wrong somewhere, and it is surely in breach of the Legal requirements specified in order to open a record? If a person has not died how can there be proof of any kind that they have? It is obviously not an error, given the number of folk just on this List alone who have come across it. My question to FMP has always been "what was the actual data that was used to come up with 'proof' of death which hadn't occurred"? Particularly as in my case it was blocked for the first few months of the Register being opened, then one day suddenly opened. I really would like to know - but it seems they will not say, why? Kathy in Kent Sent from my iPad On 15 May 2018, at 12:38, Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> wrote: Clarification on the opening of records on the 1939 NIR by Findmypast I received a reply to my request for clarification from Findmypast Its not as I was lead to believe previously "If a person died before 1991 and had a death code added to their 1939 Register record, their record will be open. For deaths after 1991, we will open up the record on one of two occasions - - we receive a copy of the death certificate through the evidence of death form on the transcription - the person passes 100 years old" Previously I was under the impression they were cross referencing the registered deaths, it always seemed an unwieldy way of doing it so its no surprise to find that was false The interesting part to me was the mention of a death code added to the register whilst still in use to 1991 being the method of opening closed records It does beg the question though, how come so many people have had their records opened when they are still alive & kicking ? Not that I am complaining mind you ;-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > On 13-May-18 4:48 PM, Nivard Ovington wrote: > I was under the impression that the later deaths (post 1991) were being cross referenced and opened but I may have that wrong > So have emailed Findmypast in an effort to clarify > I wondered if that 2016 blog was old news and had been superseded, but will await a reply and post again if I get one > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >> >> >> >> I know they do 'cross referencing of data' they hold but how can this be a receipt of proof of a death that hasn't occurred and which apparently is a Legal requirement for them to have? >> >> Kathy >> in Kent ______________________________________________

Well they did say how they opened the closed records for those who died pre 1991, the death marker on the NHS register I could understand a few records being mixed up, ie a Mary SMITH born XX/YY/ZZZZ and they find a married named Mary of the same date of birth with a death marker on the register but that does not answer all of it My guess is its due to some sort of computer algorithm Personally I am not going to complain to loudly ;-) Almost all those I been in correspondence with who found their record was open were thrilled that it was Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 15-May-18 2:12 PM, Kathy Wadlow wrote: > Thank you Nivard, for managing to get a fairly specific reply from FMP re the 'strange case of the "phantom" deaths ' as Agatha Christie might put it. > > I am still mystified as to what the criteria/info is that they are using to come up with so many, something wrong somewhere, and it is surely in breach of the Legal requirements specified in order to open a record? If a person has not died how can there be proof of any kind that they have? It is obviously not an error, given the number of folk just on this List alone who have come across it. My question to FMP has always been "what was the actual data that was used to come up with 'proof' of death which hadn't occurred"? Particularly as in my case it was blocked for the first few months of the Register being opened, then one day suddenly opened. I really would like to know - but it seems they will not say, why? > > Kathy > in Kent