Hello List, Does anyone have an explanation for an entry in the 1939 Register, where two family members (who are pretty much sure to be there) are missing? Just under the entry there are two of the black lines that say "The Record is officially closed". I think that I can see writing on that line -- but not enough to be legible. There are many such lines on every page of the register. Can anyone explain? Thanks, Carolyn Carolyn Hastings Madison AL

Hi Carolyn It means the records for those individuals are still closed, they may be (and probably are) the two you expect to find there Closed records are those born within 100 years and have not have their deaths confirmed You should be able to see how many lines (ie people) are in the same household Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 12-May-18 10:45 PM, Carolyn Hastings wrote: > Hello List, > > Does anyone have an explanation for an entry in the 1939 Register, where > two family members (who are pretty much sure to be there) are missing? > Just under the entry there are two of the black lines that say "The Record > is officially closed". I think that I can see writing on that line -- but > not enough to be legible. There are many such lines on every page of the > register. > > Can anyone explain? > > Thanks, > Carolyn

Nivard, do you know how the deaths will eventually be confirmed, so that the information is made visible? Obviously they know that my husband's father and uncle were deceased, but not that my MIL or husband have died. Both moved to the US many years ago, but at death the Pensions Dept was notified. Is that sort of information ever connected? Or will it have to wait 100 years before being made available? Thanks again for the enlightenment. Carolyn Carolyn Hastings Madison AL On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 4:58 PM, Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Carolyn > > It means the records for those individuals are still closed, they may be > (and probably are) the two you expect to find there > > Closed records are those born within 100 years and have not have their > deaths confirmed > > You should be able to see how many lines (ie people) are in the same > household > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 12-May-18 10:45 PM, Carolyn Hastings wrote: > >> Hello List, >> >> Does anyone have an explanation for an entry in the 1939 Register, where >> two family members (who are pretty much sure to be there) are missing? >> Just under the entry there are two of the black lines that say "The Record >> is officially closed". I think that I can see writing on that line -- but >> not enough to be legible. There are many such lines on every page of the >> register. >> >> Can anyone explain? >> >> Thanks, >> Carolyn >> > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/derbysge > n@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/derbysge > n@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

The records were used as part of the NHS system up until a year which I cannot recall at this time. Since they were released on FMP they updated them to a degree and people researching others provided death certificates to allow them to be viewable. As the records are no longer "active" it will require a researcher (family member) or the company presenting it to their subscribers to update it. The only other way is when the age of 100 is passed when it should automatically become visible. That is how I understand it. Bob Nottingham -----Original Message----- From: Carolyn Hastings <carolynhastings4@gmail.com> Sent: 12 May 2018 23:20 To: Derbyshire genealogy <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DBY]Re: 1939 Register -- Missing family members? Nivard, do you know how the deaths will eventually be confirmed, so that the information is made visible? Obviously they know that my husband's father and uncle were deceased, but not that my MIL or husband have died. Both moved to the US many years ago, but at death the Pensions Dept was notified. Is that sort of information ever connected? Or will it have to wait 100 years before being made available? Thanks again for the enlightenment. Carolyn Carolyn Hastings Madison AL On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 4:58 PM, Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Carolyn > > It means the records for those individuals are still closed, they may > be (and probably are) the two you expect to find there > > Closed records are those born within 100 years and have not have their > deaths confirmed > > You should be able to see how many lines (ie people) are in the same > household > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 12-May-18 10:45 PM, Carolyn Hastings wrote: > >> Hello List, >> >> Does anyone have an explanation for an entry in the 1939 Register, >> where two family members (who are pretty much sure to be there) are missing? >> Just under the entry there are two of the black lines that say "The >> Record is officially closed". I think that I can see writing on that >> line -- but not enough to be legible. There are many such lines on >> every page of the register. >> >> Can anyone explain? >> >> Thanks, >> Carolyn >> > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/derbysge > n@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/derbysge > n@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community > _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Carolyn No connections to the pensions or other government departments as far as I am aware Anyone who died abroad or outside of England/Wales would be opened after 100 years has passed from their births, or a death certificate provided to either Findmypast (free) or the National Archives (£25 is I remember rightly) My father in law died in America and I had to supply a copy of his American death certificate to have his record opened by Findmypast I understand Ancestry are updating and opening those over 100 years since birth but have no facility to accept death certificates to open records, it would need to be via Findmypast or the National Archives Findmypast are also cross referencing registered deaths in England/Wales and opening records where possible Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 12-May-18 11:20 PM, Carolyn Hastings wrote: > Nivard, do you know how the deaths will eventually be confirmed, so that > the information is made visible? Obviously they know that my husband's > father and uncle were deceased, but not that my MIL or husband have died. > > Both moved to the US many years ago, but at death the Pensions Dept was > notified. Is that sort of information ever connected? Or will it have to > wait 100 years before being made available? > > Thanks again for the enlightenment. > > Carolyn > > Carolyn Hastings > Madison AL

Nivard wrote: Findmypast are also cross referencing registered deaths in England/Wales and opening records where possible This may be why my brother, who died in 2000, was covered when FMP first published the register but later was uncovered despite no one getting in touch with the company. Later I too was uncovered - but as you can see I am still here :) Marjorie Ward Derbyshire, UK Sources for Disley; Lyme Handley; Taxal & Whaley www.disley.net Sources for NWDby incl Chapel; Charlesworth; Chinley; Fernilee; Glossop; Hayfield; Hope Valley; Mellor & New Mills http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dusk

Quite so Margaret With later deaths there is a date of birth so can be cross referenced to a point, but there are still opportunities for errors to occur as in your case Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 13-May-18 10:09 AM, Marjorie Ward via DERBYSGEN wrote: > Nivard wrote: > > Findmypast are also cross referencing registered deaths in England/Wales > and opening records where possible > > This may be why my brother, who died in 2000,  was covered when FMP > first published the register but later was uncovered despite no one > getting in touch with the company.  Later I too was uncovered - but as > you can see I am still here :) > > Marjorie Ward Derbyshire, UK