WDYTYA kicks off again with episode 2 of series 15 This time on a *Monday* Monday 9th July at 9pm BBC1 (except for Wales which is at 10:45pm) The subject this week is Olivia Colman I knew her well enough but didn't recognise her name but she has been in plenty of things -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

> > >New post on Derbyshire Record Office > > > >[] > ><https://recordoffice.wordpress.com/author/tomwebbtempest/> >[] > > ><https://recordoffice.wordpress.com/2018/07/04/hot-and-stormy-weather/>Hot >and Stormy Weather > > > >by <https://recordoffice.wordpress.com/author/tomwebbtempest/>tomwebbtempest > >The spring and summer of 2018 is promising to >become a memorable one. With record-breaking May >bank holiday temperatures, the ‘mother of all >thunderstorms’, recent heat-stoked wildfires >near the Saddleworth Moors, and the current >heatwave with a looming hose-pipe ban, the list >of extreme weather events is tallying up. These >events are seemingly at odds with common notions >of wet and moderate British springs and summers. >But it is worth remembering that thunder and >lightning storms, record-breaking temperatures >and heatwaves have always been part of Britain’s weather history. > >In recent years, members of the >‘<http://www.liverpool.ac.uk/history/research/research-projects/weather-extremes/>Weather >Extremes’ project have undertook extensive >archival research to uncover instances of >extreme weather events in British history and >have compiled over 18,000 records as part of the >TEMPEST database. Through their research, they >have uncovered a range of extreme weather >phenomena, including flooding, severe winters, >and, as pertinent to our very recent and current >weather conditions, summer lightning storms and heatwaves. > >As part of ‘Weather Extremes’ project, >members from the University of Liverpool and >Aberystwyth University (including myself) will >be hosting a free workshop at Derbyshire Record >Office on the 23rd July on the timely topic of >extreme weather. (For event and booking details, >please visit – ><https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/talk-the-storm-officer-tickets-45928522447>https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/talk-the-storm-officer-tickets-45928522447). >This workshop will introduce participants to the >freely accessible TEMPEST online database. Using >extracts from the database – some of which have >been catalogued following extensive archival >rresearch previously undertaken at Derbyshire >Record Office – we willl showcase a series of >short historical weather stories relating to >Derbyshire and other areas of Britain. Through >these stories, we will highlight the range of >materials researchers can explore for creating >their own weather histories. We will also reveal >the differing ways in which people have coped >and responded to extreme weather events in >particular times and places, and how extreme >weather events have been woven into the cultural >fabric of local communities. There will also be >an opportunity to view some of the materials >held at the DRO relating to weather and the >chance for participants to share their stories >and memories of extreme weather in their region. > >To provide a taste for the upcoming workshop, >and in light of the recent hot and stormy >weather events, the remainder of this blog post >is made up of some extracts that I have mined >from the TEMPEST database that relate to >Derbyshire and are held in paper form at the >DRO. These fascinating extracts cover drought, >death by lightning and the impacts of the famous >1906 heatwave on Morley. They demonstrate just >how tumultuous historical springs and summers have been in Derbyshire! > >1615 – Dry Summer and Drought > >In an entry in the Youlgreave and Winster Parish >Register from 1615 (D3644/42/1), we can see that >there was an extensive dry spell and severe >drought, which disrupted the harvest and would >have no doubt placed the local agricultural community under immense strain. > >1615 A Dry Summer > >There was no Rayne fell upon the Earth from the >25th day of March until the second day of May; >and then was there but one shower, after which >there fell none tyll the 10th day of June, and >then there fell an other; after wch there fell >none at all tyll the 4th day of August: after >which tyme there was sufficient Rayne upon the >Earth: so that the greatest part of this Land >especially the South parts were burnt up, both >Corne and Hay. (An ordinary Summer load of Hay >was at 2lb and little or none to be had for >money). This part of the Peake was very seve >burnt upp: only Lankashyre and Cheyshyre had >Rayne enough all Summer, and both Corne and Hay sufficient:- > >There was very little Rayne all the last Winter but snow only. > > 1739 & 1743 – Fatal Lightning Storms > >In a manuscript book of Derbyshire topography of >the sixteenth, seventeenth and eighteenth >centuries (D349/1), we can see instances of both >animal and human fatalities from lightning >storms within the space of four years. > >Derby About 20th May 1739. They had for three or >four days very hot weather at Derby, accompanied >with much thunder and lightning, and heavy >storms of rain which did much mischief in that >Neighbourhood; particularly at Langley, four >miles from thence two horses belonging to Thomas >Grace of that Town were on the 22nd day in the >evening struck dead by the dreadful lightning. >Also about a mile from the said place a calf was >kill'd by lightning at the same time. > > Chesterfield, Derby > >In July 1743 was a violent storm of thunder and >lightning ta Chesterfield which continued for >several hours during which time Mr Larka Waiter >at Derby was struck dead by a flash of lightning , coming from Buxton > >1906 – Heatwave > >Unusually for a heatwave in Britain, the 1906 >heatwave was across August and September rather >than the more usual June and July. This proved >lucky for farmers in Morley who, according to >the Morley Parish Authorities (D1797/A/PZ/1), >had managed to collect in their harvest early >before the terrific heat scorched the earth and emptied the ponds. > >1906 > >A beautiful summer brought grand crops of hay & >corn which were gathered without any trouble. >The harvest was all over by the beginning of >Sept. The first corn was cut the last day in >July. After the harvest the country became >dreadfully burnt up & at the end of August the >heat was terrific. Nearly all the ponds were >empty & nearly all the springs dry - the >fountain near the Rectory gate supplied the >greater part of the drinking water for the whole parish > >With more hot weather anticipated this summer, >we may well start to see rivers, lakes and ponds >start to dry up. Thankfully we will not need to >rely on the local fountain for our water supplies. ><https://recordoffice.wordpress.com/author/tomwebbtempest/>tomwebbtempest >| 4 July 2018 at 2:19 pm | Categories: ><https://recordoffice.wordpress.com/category/news/>News >| URL: <https://wp.me/p1jCye-3qr>https://wp.me/p1jCye-3qr > ><https://recordoffice.wordpress.com/2018/07/04/hot-and-stormy-weather/#respond>Comment ><https://recordoffice.wordpress.com/2018/07/04/hot-and-stormy-weather/#comments>See >all comments > ><https://subscribe.wordpress.com/?key=bba82ab2519c1b6a78d8a94fa8662ac9&email=annete%40aapt.net.au&b=00D%2F%2F%7C%5BuxomxUtIb_%2FYL3a1c%7ClVYceENaaKz%7EFBsq9%2FR%3FLvCW>Unsubscribe >to no longer receive posts from Derbyshire >Record Office. Change your email settings at ><https://subscribe.wordpress.com/?key=bba82ab2519c1b6a78d8a94fa8662ac9&email=annete%40aapt.net.au>Manage >Subscriptions. > >Trouble clicking? 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Hi all For those who have been awaiting news of the return of various parts of Rootsweb The messages on the Rootsweb home page have been updated as of last week So for information on Ancestry Wiki Obituary Daily Times Hosted Web sites Family Trees/Worldconnect And Rootsweb FAQs See https://home.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ The same home page where you can find lists or boards etc -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Okay the perceived problem with the archives is now resolved There was a long delay between posting the follow up on the 1st July and it reaching the archives, but for reasons unknown it added the original post as the start of the thread first before the July replies, which made it look as if the original was posted 1st July instead of in June So eventually all is well Note 1, when you visit the lists archives, there may be a delay in a post or replies being archived Note 2, when you visit the archives, click on the year, then select the month if required, when posts come up you need to click the blue subject line, some appear to be threaded, others are not (may be due to digest readers replying?) Note 3, all the lists archives can be searched at once, by going to the Rootsweb Home page, and selecting Mailing lists from the top bar menu On the following page is a Find a list search box on the right and a Search List Archives box on the left but keep in mind the archives are being rebuilt so will not return full results for the time being But the good news is the list archives are working, albeit not as clearly as they were in the old system Thats progress eh ;-) -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

From Derbyshire Record Office "The spring and summer of 2018 is promising to become a memorable one. With record-breaking May bank holiday temperatures, the ‘mother of all thunderstorms’, recent heat-stoked wildfires near the Saddleworth Moors, and the current heatwave with a looming hose-pipe ban, the list of extreme weather events is tallying up. These events are seemingly at odds with common notions of wet and moderate British springs and summers. But it is worth remembering that thunder and lightning storms, record-breaking temperatures and heatwaves have always been part of Britain’s weather history." Continued here: https://recordoffice.wordpress.com/2018/07/04/hot-and-stormy-weather/

Hi Beryl Nothing changed at this end as far as I am aware and no one else has reported the same The posts and replies are also all clear and readable in the archives Can you forward the two unreadable posts to me at derbysgen-owner@rootsweb.com Thank you Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 04/07/2018 01:20, Beryl wrote: > Posts sent 1st & 2nd July couldn’t read different format > > Beryl

Posts sent 1st & 2nd July couldn’t read different format Beryl Sent from my iPhone

Same as below - 2005. Sent from my iPhone > On 2 Jul 2018, at 09:33, hazel green <hazel.green50@gmail.com> wrote: > > You told us that it was up and running back to 2005 >> On 2 Jul 2018 08:52, "Nivard Ovington" <ovington.one@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi all >> >> Yesterday I posted the following message to the effect that the archives >> are now accessible once more >> >> I went to check said archives only to find a different message to the one >> I posted yesterday >> >> I used the original post re Archives being out of action, deleted the >> original text and entered the message below >> >> Can someone tell me which message was received by subscribers please as >> this archived message is rather confusing >> >> Other lists I sent it to have the correct posted message in the archives, >> so am trying to see what happened here >> >> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >> >>> On 01/07/2018 18:28, Nivard Ovington wrote: >>> >>> >>> Just a follow up on the lists archives >>> >>> I think there is still some work to do but it appears the archives are >>> once again accessible >>> >>> They are back to 2005 so far >>> >>> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/derbysge >> n@rootsweb.com/ >> >> Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/derbysge >> n@rootsweb.com/ >> >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Many thanks for the replies At least the right message got posted Now to find out why the wrong one ended up in the archives ;-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 02/07/2018 08:52, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi all > > Yesterday I posted the following message to the effect that the archives > are now accessible once more > > I went to check said archives only to find a different message to the > one I posted yesterday >

Hi Nivard The below message is the one I received yesterday. Brenda SA On 01/07/2018 18:28, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Just a follow up on the lists archives > I think there is still some work to do but it appears the archives are once again accessible > They are back to 2005 so far > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > On 02 Jul 2018, at 09:52, Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 01/07/2018 18:28, Nivard Ovington wrote: >> Just a follow up on the lists archives >> I think there is still some work to do but it appears the archives are once again accessible >> They are back to 2005 so far >> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >

You told us that it was up and running back to 2005 On 2 Jul 2018 08:52, "Nivard Ovington" <ovington.one@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all > > Yesterday I posted the following message to the effect that the archives > are now accessible once more > > I went to check said archives only to find a different message to the one > I posted yesterday > > I used the original post re Archives being out of action, deleted the > original text and entered the message below > > Can someone tell me which message was received by subscribers please as > this archived message is rather confusing > > Other lists I sent it to have the correct posted message in the archives, > so am trying to see what happened here > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 01/07/2018 18:28, Nivard Ovington wrote: > >> >> Just a follow up on the lists archives >> >> I think there is still some work to do but it appears the archives are >> once again accessible >> >> They are back to 2005 so far >> >> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/derbysge > n@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/derbysge > n@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

You said they were now accessible back to 2005 Jan Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message -------- From: Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> Date: 02/07/2018 08:52 (GMT+00:00) To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [DBY]Re: Admin post re archives follow up part 2 Hi all Yesterday I posted the following message to the effect that the archives are now accessible once more I went to check said archives only to find a different message to the one I posted yesterday I used the original post re Archives being out of action, deleted the original text and entered the message below Can someone tell me which message was received by subscribers please as this archived message is rather confusing Other lists I sent it to have the correct posted message in the archives, so am trying to see what happened here Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 01/07/2018 18:28, Nivard Ovington wrote: > > Just a follow up on the lists archives > > I think there is still some work to do but it appears the archives are > once again accessible > > They are back to 2005 so far > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Nivard, emails received as below:- Kathy. Sent from my iPad On 2 Jul 2018, at 08:52, Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> wrote: Hi all Yesterday I posted the following message to the effect that the archives are now accessible once more I went to check said archives only to find a different message to the one I posted yesterday I used the original post re Archives being out of action, deleted the original text and entered the message below Can someone tell me which message was received by subscribers please as this archived message is rather confusing Other lists I sent it to have the correct posted message in the archives, so am trying to see what happened here Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > On 01/07/2018 18:28, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Just a follow up on the lists archives > I think there is still some work to do but it appears the archives are once again accessible > They are back to 2005 so far > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi all Yesterday I posted the following message to the effect that the archives are now accessible once more I went to check said archives only to find a different message to the one I posted yesterday I used the original post re Archives being out of action, deleted the original text and entered the message below Can someone tell me which message was received by subscribers please as this archived message is rather confusing Other lists I sent it to have the correct posted message in the archives, so am trying to see what happened here Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 01/07/2018 18:28, Nivard Ovington wrote: > > Just a follow up on the lists archives > > I think there is still some work to do but it appears the archives are > once again accessible > > They are back to 2005 so far > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > >

Just a follow up on the lists archives I think there is still some work to do but it appears the archives are once again accessible They are back to 2005 so far Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

> >New post on Derbyshire Record Office > > > >[] > ><https://recordoffice.wordpress.com/author/sarahchubb/> >[] > > ><https://recordoffice.wordpress.com/2018/06/30/william-nightingales-domesday-book/>William >Nightingale’s ‘Domesday Book’ > > > >by <https://recordoffice.wordpress.com/author/sarahchubb/>Sarah Chubb > >Did you know that in a couple of years it will >be 200 years since Florence Nightingale was >born?  Many people aren't aware that >Florence's family was from Derbyshire, but to >link with her anniversary, the University of >Nottingham has a major Arts and Humanities >Research Council funded project called Florence >Nightingale comes home for 2020. > >One of the researchers on this project, Dr >Richard Bates, has been here at the Record >Office looking through the records of the >Nightingale family and was particularly >interested by item D4126/1, snappily titled >"Schedule of the Title deeds and Particulars of >the Estates of Wm Ed Nightingale, Esq, in Lea, >Holloway, Wakebridge, Matlock, Wensley &c &c in the County of Derby" > >D4126 1 front > > >Richard writes: > >This volume, dated 1825, was produced either by, >or for, William Edward Nightingale (born William >Shore), Florence’s father. It was most likely >drawn up in the early 1820s. In 1815, William >had assumed possession of a considerable estate >of land, bestowed on him in the will of the >eccentric Derbyshire industrialist Peter >Nightingale, his uncle, who had died in 1803. >However William, who had to change his name to >Nightingale as a condition of taking the >inheritance, only came to live in Derbyshire in >1821, having spent the initial years of his >married life travelling in Europe, especially >Italy. His daughters were named Parthenope, the >Greek name for Naples, and Florence, after the cities in which they were born. > >D4126 1 open > > >The book, held in the Derbyshire Record Office >in Matlock, is a compendium of every parcel of >land comprising the estate built by Peter >Nightingale in the Lea / Holloway / Cromford / >Matlock Bath region of the Derbyshire Dales. The >estate included the cotton mill at Lea - still a >going concern as ><https://www.johnsmedley.com/discover/community/our-commitment-to-sustainability/lea-mills-our-home-since-1784/>John >Smedley Ltd - and a lead smelting factory, as >well as agricultural lands, rented cottages, and >a large swathe of garden and parkland. The size >and annual value of every piece of land is enumerated. > >D4126 1 page detail > > >The book is embossed in gold lettering, perhaps >reflecting the importance of the contents to >William - it was, in effect, the key to his >fortune - and the pride he took in the estate >and its management. An accompanying account >book, dated 1820, shows that the annual value of >the Lea estate was at least £2200 - equivalent >to around £125,000 today - from land totalling >over 1100 acres. In total the Nightingale >inheritance gave William an annual income of >around £7,000. In addition, the Nightingale >land in Derbyshire turned out to contain coal >deposits, which generated further income that William could invest. > >The Nightingale inheritance thus allowed William >and his family to lead leisured gentry lives, >mixing with and entertaining the great and good >of 19th century liberal Britain. > >Florence’s father turned out to be a good >accountant, marshalling the family fortunes >sensibly and solidly over five decades. This was >crucial to Florence, who never married, and thus >always relied on the family income. Florence >could never inherit the estate herself, since >Peter Nightingale had stipulated it could only >be transmitted through the male line. This left >her and her family in a precarious position - if >her father had died young, her immediate family >would have lost control of the money and been >forced into reduced circumstances. > >Fortunately, however, William lived until 1874. > From 1853, when Florence definitively left the >family household, William allowed her an >allowance of £500 per year, which gave her >independence. Later in life, Florence used the >money from her Derbyshire-derived income to live >in Mayfair, close to the politicians she was >lobbying to enact sanitary reforms. ><https://recordoffice.wordpress.com/author/sarahchubb/>Sarah >Chubb | 30 June 2018 at 11:12 am | Tags: ><https://recordoffice.wordpress.com/tag/florence-nightingale/>Florence >Nightingale, ><https://recordoffice.wordpress.com/tag/william-nightingale/>William >Nightingale | Categories: ><https://recordoffice.wordpress.com/category/guest-bloggers/>Guest >bloggers | URL: <https://wp.me/p1jCye-3qf>https://wp.me/p1jCye-3qf > ><https://recordoffice.wordpress.com/2018/06/30/william-nightingales-domesday-book/#respond>Comment ><https://recordoffice.wordpress.com/2018/06/30/william-nightingales-domesday-book/#comments>See >all comments > ><https://subscribe.wordpress.com/?key=bba82ab2519c1b6a78d8a94fa8662ac9&email=annete%40aapt.net.au&b=s2q%26Nf%3DAq%5DB%5BXWU%3F4.%3FQ6PlnCUD.acW%7CeO112tTVICiqp%2FQq.>Unsubscribe >to no longer receive posts from Derbyshire >Record Office. 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Just to follow up on a previous query and the responses I received regarding William Brown I sent for the marriage certificate of William and Tryphena (which arrived this morning) in the hope that it would confirm some data At his marriage 2 May 1890 he was aged 24 a bachelor living at Crich with no father named. This ties in with his illegitimate birth in 1866 to Maria BROWN who “married” (or lived with) George PATILLA from about 1872 (no marriage found). In 1871 he was living in Wessington with G.parents. in 1881 he was living in Crich. I feel reasonably confident based in information I now have that indeed this the William BROWN I have been trying to find. Thanks again to Nivard and Christine Peter > On 20 Jun 2018, at 15:39, Christine Benson via DERBYSGEN <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hi Nivard and Peter, > > IF the 1901 entry with William married to Tryphena is correct, he is shown as a Silk Weaver and Tryphena as the Manager of a Drapery Shop, living in Matlock. > In 1911 there is a William BROWN, widower, b c 1868 Wessington living in Matlock Bath, occupation Hosier & General Draper. > Seems likely those two are the same William. > But whether that is the right William only some more info might tell. > > Christine > > -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 3:16 PM > To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DBY]Re: Birth registration Ashover? > > Hi Christine > > I too followed that same line of thought but got waylaid with other > enquiries ;-) > > The one fly in the ointment to both the marriage to Tryphena and birth, > is that there is a William H BROWN aged 15 in Sheffield in 1881, he is a > farm labourer, born Derbyshire and what looks like Willinthorp > > I don't know of a place so named in Derbyshire, possible Willington? or > Wessington? but he doesn't seem to be around in other census > > In 1871 the William with Maria has a birthplace Wessington > > The William mentioned by Peter in 1881 as PATILEA aged 15 has Ashover as > birthplace > > In 1891 William Henry aged 26 with Tryphena has a birthplace Wessington > > The William Hy in 1901 hubby to Tryphena gives a birthplace Wessington > > Both appear to die before the 1911 1905/6 > > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 20/06/2018 14:04, Christine Benson via DERBYSGEN wrote: >> Hi Peter, >> >> Presuming Nivard's suggestion for his birth is correct he has a second name Henry. If you include that name in the search and are not too exact on birth year you will find him in later years. He appears to have married Tryphena HOLDEN in 1890 in Belper. This all needs confirmation as the name is fairly common. There is also at least one tree for him - but some trees are more myth than fact and I haven't checked this one. >> >> Hope this helps >> >> Christine > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Lucky you I have got lots more to trace and for each one I find there are even more to look for Bob Nottingham Sent from Samsung tablet -------- Original message -------- From: "Brenda Brown (Telkom)" <b.brown@telkomsa.net> Date:26/06/2018 14:41 (GMT+00:00) To: Derbyshire genealogy <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Cc: b.brown@telkomsa.net Subject: [DBY]Tracing a missing relative Hi everyone I have traced all my relatives with the exception of one. His name was James Ernest Mulligan and was born in 1889 Preston, Lancashire (on the Derbyshire side of the family Amy Dewsnap married my Grandfather John Bernard Mulligan. James Ernest disappears on the 1911 census and no death record anywhere in the country (on the 1911 census it was noted that 2 children had dies but these were James’s two sisters so he must have been alive in 1911). His brother my grandfather was in USA at this time and came back to UK to join the forces in 1914 when the war broke out. Does anyone have any ideas as to why I am not able to find this person? Any suggestions would be gratefully received. Brenda Brown South Africa _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thank you Nivard, I do keep trying and hoping something will crop up, have even checked all the newspapers. It really is a mystery to me. I wondered if he went to join his brother in the USA but I’m sure he would have come back with him. They lost their brother John in 1917, he was killed in France only 19 years old and the other brother Walter was a captain in the Notts and Derbyshire regiment, there was a book published in which he was featured a very interesting read of what is was like on the front line. I have all my grandfathers army records which survived and a number of letters my grandfather wrote to the army. It was quite an arduous journey. It was so wonderful to get all these records and letters as my grandfather died when my father was only 3 years old so I never got to meet him. I have checked all the army records and the 1939 register but alas, he is no where to be found. Brenda Brown South Africa > On 26 Jun 2018, at 16:09, Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Brenda > > There are many reasons you haven't been able to find this man > > He may have gone abroad and died overseas, the UK records are fairly good, not so in other parts of the world > > He may have chosen to "disappear", either because of debt, crime, a lady love, impending fatherhood, etc etc etc > > My great grandfather "helped" my great grandmother produce my grandfather in 1874, he was never mentioned, seen or found in any record after 1874 > > My grandfather in a letter to my father, states "I told you of the manner of my fathers death", he was ten at the time, but no death or trace has ever been found, and boy have I looked ;-) > > So don't give up as something may turn up somewhere along the way > > Whilst your grandfather came back to serve in the forces, not everyone was so keen and made sure they weren't found > > But there are lots of reasons he may not be obvious in records > > Have you checked his date of birth in the 1939 NIR ? > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 26/06/2018 14:41, Brenda Brown (Telkom) wrote: >> Hi everyone >> I have traced all my relatives with the exception of one. His name was James Ernest Mulligan and was born in 1889 Preston, Lancashire (on the Derbyshire side of the family Amy Dewsnap married my Grandfather John Bernard Mulligan. >> James Ernest disappears on the 1911 census and no death record anywhere in the country (on the 1911 census it was noted that 2 children had dies but these were James’s two sisters so he must have been alive in 1911). His brother my grandfather was in USA at this time and came back to UK to join the forces in 1914 when the war broke out. >> Does anyone have any ideas as to why I am not able to find this person? Any suggestions would be gratefully received. >> Brenda Brown >> South Africa > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/derbysgen@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Brenda There are many reasons you haven't been able to find this man He may have gone abroad and died overseas, the UK records are fairly good, not so in other parts of the world He may have chosen to "disappear", either because of debt, crime, a lady love, impending fatherhood, etc etc etc My great grandfather "helped" my great grandmother produce my grandfather in 1874, he was never mentioned, seen or found in any record after 1874 My grandfather in a letter to my father, states "I told you of the manner of my fathers death", he was ten at the time, but no death or trace has ever been found, and boy have I looked ;-) So don't give up as something may turn up somewhere along the way Whilst your grandfather came back to serve in the forces, not everyone was so keen and made sure they weren't found But there are lots of reasons he may not be obvious in records Have you checked his date of birth in the 1939 NIR ? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 26/06/2018 14:41, Brenda Brown (Telkom) wrote: > Hi everyone > > I have traced all my relatives with the exception of one. His name was James Ernest Mulligan and was born in 1889 Preston, Lancashire (on the Derbyshire side of the family Amy Dewsnap married my Grandfather John Bernard Mulligan. > > James Ernest disappears on the 1911 census and no death record anywhere in the country (on the 1911 census it was noted that 2 children had dies but these were James’s two sisters so he must have been alive in 1911). His brother my grandfather was in USA at this time and came back to UK to join the forces in 1914 when the war broke out. > > Does anyone have any ideas as to why I am not able to find this person? Any suggestions would be gratefully received. > > Brenda Brown > South Africa