George DUNN, could this be George J. DUNN, born 1894? A potential for George DUNN From the CWGC Corporal DUNN, GEORGE Service Number 11305 Died 11/10/1916 Aged 23 1st Bn. York and Lancaster Regiment Son of John and Emma Dunn, of Derwent Hall, Sheffield. Born at Derwent, Derbyshire. Medal card George DUNN Cpl 6/Yorks & Lancs R 11305 BWM, Victory & 1915 Star First entered a thatre of war (Balkans) 2nd July 1915 KIA 11th Oct 1916 From Soldiers died First name(s) George Last name Dunn Service number 11305 Rank Cpl. Regiment York And Lancaster Regiment Battalion 1st Battalion. Residence - Birth place Derwent, Sheffield Enlistment place Sheffield Death year 1916 Death day 11 Death month 10 Cause of death Killed in action Death place Salonika Theatre of war Balkan Theatre Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 19/10/2018 00:21, lr_mills@mauimail.com wrote: > Hi, Derby-Geners, > > I recently finished some updates to the Derwent Parish Profile on Genuaki. I would appreciate some help on the section entitled Military Records. Can you help identify some of the men who perished in WWI? Thank you for any help you an give. > > Lou Mills >

Good Morning Manchester Central Library has papers for the village of Disley - just across the border in Cheshire which show the men who went before a tribunal to ask not to be called up. One was Frank GASKILL who said he was the support for his mother as two brothers were already serving. They were both killed but Frank wasn`t called so maybe his request was granted. We went to the library especially to look at these papers a couple of years ago and photograph them. Maybe they are available for other counties. Marjorie Ward, Derbyshire, UK Sources for Disley; Lyme Handley; Taxal & Whaley www.disley.net Sources for NWDby incl Chapel; Charlesworth; Chinley; Fernilee; Glossop; Hayfield; Hope Valley; Mellor & New Mills www.nwdbysources.uk

Possible for Arthur DEAKIN Arthur DEAKIN, unknown. From Soldiers died First name(s) Arthur Last name Deakin Service number 16685 Rank Private Regiment Alexandra Battalion 6th Battalion. Residence Horden Birth place Newbold Moor, Derbyshire Enlistment place Sunderland Death year 1915 Death day 22 Death month 8 Cause of death Killed in action Death place Gallipoli Theatre of war Balkan Theatre From the CWGC Private DEAKIN, ARTHUR Service Number 16685 Died 22/08/1915 6th Bn. Yorkshire Regiment First entered a theatre or war (Balkans) 14th July 1915 Entitled to the BWM, Victory & 1915 Star Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 19/10/2018 00:21, lr_mills@mauimail.com wrote: > Hi, Derby-Geners, > > I recently finished some updates to the Derwent Parish Profile on Genuaki. I would appreciate some help on the section entitled Military Records. Can you help identify some of the men who perished in WWI? Thank you for any help you an give. > > Lou Mills

George Squire COTTRILL, 12 Btln. King's Royal Rifle Corps, age 25, died 2 Apr 1918. Service record C/12586 George Squire COTTRILL 21st Btn K.R.R. (Yeoman Rifles) General service abode Hufflee Farm Ashopton nr Sheffield Age on enlistment 23yrs 2 mnths Farm worker enlisted 29th Nov 1915 at Buxton Father William COTTRILL of Two Thorn Fields Farm Ashopton Sheffield entitled to the BWM & Victory medals Posted BEF France 5th May 1916 Gun shot wound (date unreadable) Posted Home 16th Oct 1916 to 23rd Feb 1917 L/Cpl 4th Oct 1917 Posted to 12th Btn, KRR, BEF 24th Feb 1917 to 18th Jan 1918 Home (leave) 19th Jan 1918 to 2nd Feb 1918 BEF 3rd Feb 1918 to 2nd Apr 1918 Missing 21st Mar to 2nd Apr 1918 Accepted as deceased same dates Medals despatched to his father of Two Thorn Fields, Ashopton, near Sheffield 2nd Sep 1919 NOK father William COTTRILL Mother Mary Emma COTTRILL Brothers Robert William, Charles Alfred, Henry, & Jospeh Sisters May Hannah, Myra, Emily Ann, Alice Victoria & Dora Irene In 1911 he is 18 single and a Farmers son working on farm born Hope Woodlands (Derwent crossed out) Derbyshire with brother Robert William COTTRILL 28, and two sisters Mary Hannah 24, Myra 21, plus grandmother Hannah COTTRILL 77, all at Goars Farm Derwent Sheffield He was baptised 24th Sep 1893 at Derwent Woodlands Born 20th Aug 1892 son of William & Mary Emma COTTRILL of "Fairholmes" Derwent, father a Farmer Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 19/10/2018 00:21, lr_mills@mauimail.com wrote: > Hi, Derby-Geners, > > I recently finished some updates to the Derwent Parish Profile on Genuaki. I would appreciate some help on the section entitled Military Records. Can you help identify some of the men who perished in WWI? Thank you for any help you an give. > > Lou Mills

Like Andy I too wondered why my grandfather did not serve in the war ( he worked at Lea Mills). I found him eventually recorded along with many others in the local press under the applications for exemption court appearances. There were Belper butchers, tailors, mill workers, etc The names of those applying for exemption (sometimes employers made application on their behalf) were listed. Luckily Herbert Patilla was easy to spot! Lea Mills made applications for so-called key workers who kept the machines running else several hundred women would have been laid off resulting in hardship. I had thought only those employed in mines , railways, farms etc were protected. Keep hunting Peter Sent from my iPhone > On 19 Oct 2018, at 07:22, Andy Micklethwaite via DERBYSGEN <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > At 11:25 18/10/2018, Nivard wrote: >> The centenary of the end of the First world war is looming up, do you have any questions on members of your family who served ? > > Lots! But unlikely to find answers! eg. why my grandfather didn't appear to serve. I don't know if he was in a reserved occupation (possibly electrician in a mill making cloth for the military) or just unfit (something I've inherited!!) > >> Remember them, they are the reason you are here today > > So true. So many out there making headlines today have only self-interest. Many thanks to those like Lou and Peter making the efforts to remember them. > > Andy > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/derbysgen@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Natalia Thanks for your comments. At 08:59 19/10/2018, you wrote: >He told me about it once but I wish I'd asked more questions! Where have I heard that before?!!! Andy.

Andy, One of my grandfathers didn't serve because he'd had TB as a child. Probably from early on as three siblings died as babies from TB and his father eventually died of it after 9 years. My grandfather had surgery to remove diseased bone which left him lame and thin for life. He hadn't been expected to live. He was a shipping clerk during both wars and 'served' with the fire watch on buildings at night who were the first responders during blitzes. He told me about it once but I wish I'd asked more questions! I understand it involved buckets of sand and a whistle. Natalia On Fri, 19 Oct 2018, 8:18 am Andy Micklethwaite via DERBYSGEN, < derbysgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Lots! But unlikely to find answers! eg. why my grandfather didn't appear > to serve. I don't know if he was in a reserved occupation (possibly > electrician in a mill making cloth for the military) or just unfit > (something I've inherited!!) > >

At 11:25 18/10/2018, Nivard wrote: >The centenary of the end of the First world war is looming up, do you have any questions on members of your family who served ? Lots! But unlikely to find answers! eg. why my grandfather didn't appear to serve. I don't know if he was in a reserved occupation (possibly electrician in a mill making cloth for the military) or just unfit (something I've inherited!!) >Remember them, they are the reason you are here today So true. So many out there making headlines today have only self-interest. Many thanks to those like Lou and Peter making the efforts to remember them. Andy

Hi, Derby-Geners, I recently finished some updates to the Derwent Parish Profile on Genuaki. I would appreciate some help on the section entitled Military Records. Can you help identify some of the men who perished in WWI? Thank you for any help you an give. Lou Mills

The centenary of the end of the First world war is looming up, do you have any questions on members of your family who served ? Remember them, they are the reason you are here today -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

...I didn't mean to wake you up ;-) Now this is hard to quantify but some admins are saying that certain ISPs are blocking Rootsweb mail So if you are one of those being blocked you are not going to know as you won't receive this So has anyone been in correspondence with any other list member who has had the problem of not receiving Rootsweb posts ? Or are looking at the archives and wondering why you are not getting posts If so can you let me know please Other than that its extremely quiet on all fronts (and lists) so you may return to your slumbers ;-) Or post something and give the rest something to do ? Use it or lose it springs to mind ! -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Hi Lou No knowledge of this myself but Philip Heath of Melbourne Historical Research Group may be able to help. His email is heath4345@gmail.com and the website is https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.mhrg.org.uk&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=YaknIKGQ3o9fStB3h0sMI9MrdNSOVs352NJVvwA-IWw&m=4slwuPUwe8E20m8_v6seBYZIccgk8s3gnKch16f11uM&s=R_ohm5cnEiMND2AAmg2HdO1c_FckUdz9khV8aNqVEjU&e=. Helen On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 at 22:26, <lr_mills@mauimail.com> wrote: > Hi, Derby Geners, > > Nine miles south of Derby City is the old Liberty of Derby Hills. > This place became a Civil Parish in 1858. There was no "There" there, so > we don't find much mention of it. The lack of an Anglican Church may be > one reason we hear little of it. > > It appears that the parish was politically abolished in the 1960s (and > apparently amalgamated into Melbourne Civil Parish). Can anyone verify > that for me? > > Lou > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=YaknIKGQ3o9fStB3h0sMI9MrdNSOVs352NJVvwA-IWw&m=4slwuPUwe8E20m8_v6seBYZIccgk8s3gnKch16f11uM&s=h4hxxk_kNkQc3WPePeBI1clCinzUtByX5i1_LmYJkwY&e= > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/derbysgen@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=YaknIKGQ3o9fStB3h0sMI9MrdNSOVs352NJVvwA-IWw&m=4slwuPUwe8E20m8_v6seBYZIccgk8s3gnKch16f11uM&s=AuvVUqj0xqSELTny10RzE6I3GIHn595qlFwcPEgEzzg&e= Terms and Conditions: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=YaknIKGQ3o9fStB3h0sMI9MrdNSOVs352NJVvwA-IWw&m=4slwuPUwe8E20m8_v6seBYZIccgk8s3gnKch16f11uM&s=_jXtc3oNXjCUhWjCN7gvQKz8nuQloheRizCC73ctu34&e= > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Hi, Derby Geners, Nine miles south of Derby City is the old Liberty of Derby Hills. This place became a Civil Parish in 1858. There was no "There" there, so we don't find much mention of it. The lack of an Anglican Church may be one reason we hear little of it. It appears that the parish was politically abolished in the 1960s (and apparently amalgamated into Melbourne Civil Parish). Can anyone verify that for me? Lou

Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately) there are three or four possible baptisms that might be my Mary Ann in the broad area around Brassington, assuming that is where she was born, in the 1816 - 18 period. I'll have to try and track each of them, and see if any can be eliminated, maybe because of an infant death. ------ Original Message ------ From: "joan.m.wheeldon " <joan.m.wheeldon@gmail.com> To: "Nick Higton" <nick@higton.co.uk>; "Derbyshire genealogy" <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: 11/10/2018 14:16:25 Subject: Re: [DBY]Derbyshire Place Name - Brafson? >Just checked my Brassington PR cd for baptisms and although there are >Gregory's there isn't a baptism recorded for Mary Ann Gregory. > >Sent from Joan's iPad > >>On 11 Oct 2018, at 13:33, Nick Higton <nick@higton.co.uk> wrote: >> >>I'm stuck trying to decypher a Derbyshire birthplace in the 1851 and >>1861 census, for Ann HIGTON born ABT 1817 and living in Radford NTT at >>these census dates. I'm sure it starts with a "B" and ends ""son", but >>the middle letters defeat me. >> >>It could be Brafson or Brasson, depending on whether an old-fashioned >>form of the double-s was used. >> >>She was Mary Ann GREGORY, married in Duffield in 1835 to John HIGTON, >>if that helps. >> >>Any ideas, please? >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=YaknIKGQ3o9fStB3h0sMI9MrdNSOVs352NJVvwA-IWw&m=cvlmB17mgDhGl6lG-FsdVXvwHaLKwr4Fie079nxfB7M&s=03-GF1edvonlA9wzdXQjWQ3E1ZBe2zZ-1cF-Sb9e6zo&e= >>Unsubscribe >>https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/derbysgen@rootsweb.com >>Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=YaknIKGQ3o9fStB3h0sMI9MrdNSOVs352NJVvwA-IWw&m=cvlmB17mgDhGl6lG-FsdVXvwHaLKwr4Fie079nxfB7M&s=D8jefFOnikKAwV1r7GlgQJw_5oQU1tOUwfuvimu-jZM&e= Terms and Conditions: >>https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=YaknIKGQ3o9fStB3h0sMI9MrdNSOVs352NJVvwA-IWw&m=cvlmB17mgDhGl6lG-FsdVXvwHaLKwr4Fie079nxfB7M&s=sVlzggx9yn70tdAOT3qnozqEl3OSBez5AS6jIrGshFI&e= >>Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >>RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal >>RootsWeb community

Have you not checked the GROs own indexes? Which show the mothers maiden name Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 11/10/2018 21:32, Nick Higton wrote: > Hello Mel > Thanks for the information.  I already had it, but I'm grateful for your > thoughtfulness. > > Pigot's Commercial Directory of Derbyshire 1828-9 has,  under, Duffield > "MAKENEY is a small village, in a thinly populated parish, in the > hundred of Appletree, about five miles from Derby and three and a half > from Belper." > > I've been through the GRO Birth Index, searching for the various > spellings of HIGTON (HIckton, Higden, Higdon), and have found seven > children born between 1839 and 1851, plus George.  There is a small > question mark as to whether these are all the children of John and > (Mary) Ann until I can find the baptism records, or someone provides the > birth certificates, but it looks highly probable at present. > > Nick

Hello Mel Thanks for the information. I already had it, but I'm grateful for your thoughtfulness. Pigot's Commercial Directory of Derbyshire 1828-9 has, under, Duffield "MAKENEY is a small village, in a thinly populated parish, in the hundred of Appletree, about five miles from Derby and three and a half from Belper." I've been through the GRO Birth Index, searching for the various spellings of HIGTON (HIckton, Higden, Higdon), and have found seven children born between 1839 and 1851, plus George. There is a small question mark as to whether these are all the children of John and (Mary) Ann until I can find the baptism records, or someone provides the birth certificates, but it looks highly probable at present. Nick ------ Original Message ------ From: "Mel Smith" <melvynsmith@gmail.com> To: nick@higton.co.uk; "Derbyshire genealogy" <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: 11/10/2018 14:53:02 Subject: Re: [DBY]Derbyshire Place Name - Brafson? >Hi Nick: > >While this doesn't actually answer your question, you don't say you >found them in 1841, but just in case. >I found the family in 1841 in Duffield - actually at 1 Forge Hill, >Mackeney in the Liberty of Duffield. >Can't find a village Makeney but there is a Mackeney Hall (Hotel) a >fairly large Victorian property converted to a Hotel to the north east >of Duffield near Milford where both George & John are said to be born >in the 1851 census >Two children - George born abt 1837 and John born 1839 and a check with >the GRO indexes gives his mother's maiden name as Gregory. > >Hope this helps >Mel Smith > >In 1861 the family is in Radford and Ann gives her birthplace as >Duffield > >On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 at 08:34, Nick Higton <nick@higton.co.uk> wrote: >>I'm stuck trying to decypher a Derbyshire birthplace in the 1851 and >>1861 census, for Ann HIGTON born ABT 1817 and living in Radford NTT at >>these census dates. I'm sure it starts with a "B" and ends ""son", but >>the middle letters defeat me. >> >>It could be Brafson or Brasson, depending on whether an old-fashioned >>form of the double-s was used. >> >>She was Mary Ann GREGORY, married in Duffield in 1835 to John HIGTON, >>if >>that helps. >> >>Any ideas, please? >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=YaknIKGQ3o9fStB3h0sMI9MrdNSOVs352NJVvwA-IWw&m=-Y4QrER2a96cIxysUwM-XLRMc9xb3MPih78Xtm_ZlPk&s=THljg1IcAlT0pWopQL_R6jRnEZfdou3-p62y8NpK8BE&e= >>Unsubscribe >>https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/derbysgen@rootsweb.com >>Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=YaknIKGQ3o9fStB3h0sMI9MrdNSOVs352NJVvwA-IWw&m=-Y4QrER2a96cIxysUwM-XLRMc9xb3MPih78Xtm_ZlPk&s=jjIkfzwMnVA4aAs1275eXZxHDOZrntIP09Xd0Wx3LN4&e= Terms and Conditions: >>https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=YaknIKGQ3o9fStB3h0sMI9MrdNSOVs352NJVvwA-IWw&m=-Y4QrER2a96cIxysUwM-XLRMc9xb3MPih78Xtm_ZlPk&s=NIoJRZN6jX7KSNYfMjdohG81S8kTqesl5ENS4GOG5Iw&e= >>Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >>RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal >>RootsWeb community > > >-- >Mel Smith >Whitby, Ontario, Canada

Also consider Ann Gregory baptised 27 Oct 1816 n Brassington, parents Thomas and Elizabeth. Nickie > On 11 Oct 2018, at 17:25, Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Nick > > It is most certainly Brasson in 1851 and 1861 IMHO > > And as has been said, Brassington appears to be the logical answer > > There is a Breaston but for my money Brassington is the place > > There are three Mary Ann GREGORY baptisms circa 1817 > > Allestree John & Mary 8th Apr 1816 > > Ilkeston Joseph & Mary 3rd Oct 1817 > > Darley George & Sarah 10th May 1817 > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 11/10/2018 13:33, Nick Higton wrote: >> I'm stuck trying to decypher a Derbyshire birthplace in the 1851 and 1861 census, for Ann HIGTON born ABT 1817 and living in Radford NTT at these census dates. I'm sure it starts with a "B" and ends ""son", but the middle letters defeat me. >> It could be Brafson or Brasson, depending on whether an old-fashioned form of the double-s was used. >> She was Mary Ann GREGORY, married in Duffield in 1835 to John HIGTON, if that helps. >> Any ideas, please? > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIFAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=YaknIKGQ3o9fStB3h0sMI9MrdNSOVs352NJVvwA-IWw&m=e4AjKjQeWBHMz6TPq5ug3HfntEe7fIcgP8fgyxy78ac&s=PtiZrHzjqBnakAauoPRI5pllXSpT3anWnhN2mUT8Uy8&e= > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/derbysgen@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIFAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=YaknIKGQ3o9fStB3h0sMI9MrdNSOVs352NJVvwA-IWw&m=e4AjKjQeWBHMz6TPq5ug3HfntEe7fIcgP8fgyxy78ac&s=8AjLN-39GOnHWMmics7nMlqsAGAAGL9L5rl8LSTZ4ok&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIFAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=YaknIKGQ3o9fStB3h0sMI9MrdNSOVs352NJVvwA-IWw&m=e4AjKjQeWBHMz6TPq5ug3HfntEe7fIcgP8fgyxy78ac&s=Hdj4j3HVaRFGSwspCLNtljYQA-y5y5GWhEJkS92hn2Y&e= > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Nick It is most certainly Brasson in 1851 and 1861 IMHO And as has been said, Brassington appears to be the logical answer There is a Breaston but for my money Brassington is the place There are three Mary Ann GREGORY baptisms circa 1817 Allestree John & Mary 8th Apr 1816 Ilkeston Joseph & Mary 3rd Oct 1817 Darley George & Sarah 10th May 1817 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 11/10/2018 13:33, Nick Higton wrote: > I'm stuck trying to decypher a Derbyshire birthplace in the 1851 and > 1861 census, for Ann HIGTON born ABT 1817 and living in Radford NTT at > these census dates. I'm sure it starts with a "B" and ends ""son", but > the middle letters defeat me. > > It could be Brafson or Brasson, depending on whether an old-fashioned > form of the double-s was used. > > She was Mary Ann GREGORY, married in Duffield in 1835 to John HIGTON, if > that helps. > > Any  ideas, please?

There is a book called Peak Scenery, or the Derbyshire Tourist, by Ebenezer Rhodes, which might provide the answer: On page 314 on Brassington Pastures, the way is asked to Brassington and a local said he didn’t know where that was. "We then enquired the name of the village we had left. “Carson” to be sure. And what place do we come to next? “Brasson” he replied. These answers solved the mystery; the three syllables were cut down into two, which we found was the customery pronunciation…….. So, maybe it is Brasson - for Brassington. Nickie > On 11 Oct 2018, at 13:33, Nick Higton <nick@higton.co.uk> wrote: > > I'm stuck trying to decypher a Derbyshire birthplace in the 1851 and 1861 census, for Ann HIGTON born ABT 1817 and living in Radford NTT at these census dates. I'm sure it starts with a "B" and ends ""son", but the middle letters defeat me. > > It could be Brafson or Brasson, depending on whether an old-fashioned form of the double-s was used. > > She was Mary Ann GREGORY, married in Duffield in 1835 to John HIGTON, if that helps. > > Any ideas, please? > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=YaknIKGQ3o9fStB3h0sMI9MrdNSOVs352NJVvwA-IWw&m=BDNbe1JmngknvEgyA2jQ6qM8BFhJUVg3sgwFsCTw-gc&s=QzVdlEIV7_-_2sha-mAfEYXjEhfTGTBf-HrjIZMQLfU&e= > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/derbysgen@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=YaknIKGQ3o9fStB3h0sMI9MrdNSOVs352NJVvwA-IWw&m=BDNbe1JmngknvEgyA2jQ6qM8BFhJUVg3sgwFsCTw-gc&s=LA-uk71Vvj_k_w3OZ5NEowcQFNYOH0HifwQQazQGtpY&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=YaknIKGQ3o9fStB3h0sMI9MrdNSOVs352NJVvwA-IWw&m=BDNbe1JmngknvEgyA2jQ6qM8BFhJUVg3sgwFsCTw-gc&s=ov8ujcG-Ts0A6AqSbY78jTmgg2g0uXUwSBJF_-74iMQ&e= > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Nick: While this doesn't actually answer your question, you don't say you found them in 1841, but just in case. I found the family in 1841 in Duffield - actually at 1 Forge Hill, Mackeney in the Liberty of Duffield. Can't find a village Makeney but there is a Mackeney Hall (Hotel) a fairly large Victorian property converted to a Hotel to the north east of Duffield near Milford where both George & John are said to be born in the 1851 census Two children - George born abt 1837 and John born 1839 and a check with the GRO indexes gives his mother's maiden name as Gregory. Hope this helps Mel Smith In 1861 the family is in Radford and Ann gives her birthplace as Duffield On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 at 08:34, Nick Higton <nick@higton.co.uk> wrote: > I'm stuck trying to decypher a Derbyshire birthplace in the 1851 and > 1861 census, for Ann HIGTON born ABT 1817 and living in Radford NTT at > these census dates. I'm sure it starts with a "B" and ends ""son", but > the middle letters defeat me. > > It could be Brafson or Brasson, depending on whether an old-fashioned > form of the double-s was used. > > She was Mary Ann GREGORY, married in Duffield in 1835 to John HIGTON, if > that helps. > > Any ideas, please? > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=YaknIKGQ3o9fStB3h0sMI9MrdNSOVs352NJVvwA-IWw&m=rTv6pGTDIbBaYZn17125fy5sSoZFMJcezcNO7rXzatM&s=MJATfE2G6WHcQGdWNlIhV5ACeVfWg-ISMzOksO2lxn0&e= > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/derbysgen@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=YaknIKGQ3o9fStB3h0sMI9MrdNSOVs352NJVvwA-IWw&m=rTv6pGTDIbBaYZn17125fy5sSoZFMJcezcNO7rXzatM&s=fniZizEqqcF5zcQzAU9ioZ8DULkeG-p3o9L8_TNAMk0&e= Terms and Conditions: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIBaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=YaknIKGQ3o9fStB3h0sMI9MrdNSOVs352NJVvwA-IWw&m=rTv6pGTDIbBaYZn17125fy5sSoZFMJcezcNO7rXzatM&s=ojMmt91fGiWoVvLuAfcFF6xOVcPSpSj0aWc8__xHZIE&e= > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > -- Mel Smith Whitby, Ontario, Canada