Good afternoon, fellow seekers, A large wildfire is burning about 50 miles away, but I happen to live downwind from that fire and orange sunlight is shining thru the ash that is lightly falling outside, carried here by a north wind. The radio tells me not to go outside without a mask. All this reminds me to suggest that you back up your family history data on your computer. We don't want to hear all that whining when you lose it all to fire or flood. As to Brailsford: A lovely place, I'm told. Quiet, on the A52 roughly midway between Derby and Ashbourne, and home to about 1,100 people. I don't remember visiting it, but I paid it due tribute this week. I collected all of Mike SPENCER's burials and added them to the Genuki parish profile, stuck in a Genealogy section with some postings from Jane in Redcar. The records tell me that it had half a church in 1086, but I'm still scratching my head over that entry. (It's because the church was shared with Ednaston hamlet.) The burials are interesting because a lot of them are for surrounding parishes. Some for travellors on the A52 (before it got its number). And it is, of course, the home for the surname BRAILSFORD, which I know some of you have been slaving over. So enjoy the upgrades. Let us all know if you find something useful. Lou

Interesting Lou. When I was a child, my grandfather always struck me as a very tall man, larger than life but when I found his military records I was shocked to find he was only 5'5". I'm a War baby and I'm 5'1", my sister, 7 years younger, same parents, is 6'. As for antibiotics, I really couldn't tell you when I last had them, probably in the early 1980s. I use vinegar and onions, so perhaps those old fashioned remedies are still useful even today. My family still own the Herbalist book that was given to my 3xg grandfather who was the Bell Man and Town Crier. One of the things he also had to do was to advise people who asked for help with sickness. The book dates back to the 1790s. I was with my cousin the other day and I gave her an acid free box to keep it in as it's starting to deteriorate. My grandmother had 4 children, my great grandfather was one of only 3 children and one died of TB. My GG grandfather had 7, 5 were raised to adulthood. His father was an only child as his mother died in childbirth. Even going back on that line they were not prolific. Having said that, on the other side of my family, I've done a project on my mother. She was one of 42 grandchildren of Herbert Needham of Cutthorpe, only 5 died before adulthood. 33 lived long enough to receive their pensions and one is still alive age 93. Of course, many of them lived on farms in the countryside so their diets would have been better. Families living in the city slums, back-to-backs, several children to each bed, it's not surprising so many children died as they passed measles, mumps, scarlet fever, etc from one to another. Coughs and colds could develop to bronchitis and there were no antibiotics and poor living conditions. We are so fortunate. Liz -----Original Message----- From: lr_mills@mauimail.com [mailto:lr_mills@mauimail.com] Sent: 08 November 2018 21:23 To: derbysgen Subject: [DBY]Re: Old Brampton - Waste Book Thanks for posting this. We "moderns" often forget how high the death rate was for children before our era. It's not until you look at parish registers and see the same surnames week after week, mostly infants, that it hits you. But we didn't have antibiotics in those days. In fact, we didn't know much about "germs" and how or what to sterilize things with. Strong vinegar was the best antibiotic we had until the 1930s. Your ancestors would have eight children and hope that three would make it to adulthood. Cholera swept England in the 1830s. And children starved during the Potato Famine of the 1840s. And if you've ever toured an old warship from the period, you'll notice that the men were shorter than they tend to be today. Poor diets. Just be glad that your lines didn't die out. Lou ----- Original Message ----- From: "derbysgen" <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> To: "derbysgen" <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Cc: "Elizabeth Youle" <fh.researcher@btinternet.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 5:30:22 AM Subject: [DBY]Old Brampton - Waste Book It's at least 20 years since I went through this book while at Matlock so I thought I'd take another look today. It must have been horrendous the number of deaths of babies and young children that the vicar had to bury. Fortunately the Vicar was very generous with his time and not only noted the ages of the people he was burying but also where they lived and exactly where they were buried. This is very useful as most of these small children would not have had a headstone. Many of those people also did not live in Old Brampton. Some from as far as 10 miles away so always worth taking a look. He also notes the cause of death on occasion. ie: This man met with his death when at work in a quarry belonging to the Duke of Portland by a large quantity of earth and stone falling upon him. Liz --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/derbysgen@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/derbysgen@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I re-read my post and realize now that I had not credited Eli Whitney for the cotton gin. A sin of omission. Lou ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Hastings" <carolynhastings4@gmail.com> To: "derbysgen" <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 1:37:34 PM Subject: [DBY]Re: Derbyshire history - early 1800s Hi, Can't say how any of my husband's Derbyshire ancestors were impacted, but to the best of my knowledge Eli Whitney is credited with the invention of the modern mechanical cotton gin in 1793 (patent granted in 1794). There were much earlier hand cotton gins too, but it was the Whitney invention that led to modern mass production. Carolyn Hastings Madison AL On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 3:16 PM <lr_mills@mauimail.com> wrote: > Hi, listers, > > The early 1800s must have been an interesting time for our ancestors > to live in. The world was changing and not everyone was prepared for it. > "Ideas" were flooding Europe from the French Revolution and the American > Revolution. Ideas like individual freedom, the right to vote, religious > freedom and technology. > > The spiining wheel had been around for about 450 years. Then James > Hargreaves invented the spinning-jenny in 1764 and the cotton Gin in 1794. > Industrial cloth weaving and making didn't really get started until 1803 > and soon, lots of our ancestors found factory work in the mills. > > Most of our ancestors couldn't read or write. Public education was > only just being formulated. One-room schools were the norm for a few > decades. And students left school around age 11 or 12 to work in the > factories or to tend the land. Wide-spread public education didn't ake > root until about 1840. > > There were no railways until about 1840. If you wanted to go to > London, it was several days on a stage coach, or, more likely, several > weeks by wagon and barge. > > The potato, from the New World, was a popular crop. People talk now > about the Irish Potato Famine of the 1840s, but it also impacted northern > England, parts of France and the low countries. Lots of British peasants > were on the move! > > Oh, and there was this Frenchman, Napoleon Bonaparte, who caused us a > lot of grief. His trade wars were enough of a problem, but the number of > British seaman and soldiers who went off to war had a huge impact on their > families back home. But Napoleon also championed a lot of the Liberal > ideas that remade European and American society. > > Britain was becoming a world power after Nelson's victory at Trafalgar > in October of 1805. And James WATT's stema engine of 1781 was becoming > widely available. In 1819, the first steamship crossed the Atlantic. In > 1820 the Royal Navy had its first steam-powered ship. > > How were your Derbyshire ancestors impacted by all this? Let us share. > > Lou MIlls > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/derbysgen@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/derbysgen@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thanks for posting this. We "moderns" often forget how high the death rate was for children before our era. It's not until you look at parish registers and see the same surnames week after week, mostly infants, that it hits you. But we didn't have antibiotics in those days. In fact, we didn't know much about "germs" and how or what to sterilize things with. Strong vinegar was the best antibiotic we had until the 1930s. Your ancestors would have eight children and hope that three would make it to adulthood. Cholera swept England in the 1830s. And children starved during the Potato Famine of the 1840s. And if you've ever toured an old warship from the period, you'll notice that the men were shorter than they tend to be today. Poor diets. Just be glad that your lines didn't die out. Lou ----- Original Message ----- From: "derbysgen" <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> To: "derbysgen" <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Cc: "Elizabeth Youle" <fh.researcher@btinternet.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 5:30:22 AM Subject: [DBY]Old Brampton - Waste Book It's at least 20 years since I went through this book while at Matlock so I thought I'd take another look today. It must have been horrendous the number of deaths of babies and young children that the vicar had to bury. Fortunately the Vicar was very generous with his time and not only noted the ages of the people he was burying but also where they lived and exactly where they were buried. This is very useful as most of these small children would not have had a headstone. Many of those people also did not live in Old Brampton. Some from as far as 10 miles away so always worth taking a look. He also notes the cause of death on occasion. ie: This man met with his death when at work in a quarry belonging to the Duke of Portland by a large quantity of earth and stone falling upon him. Liz --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/derbysgen@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Remembering my uncles: James Herbert EDWARDS died 15 Sep 1917 and buried The Huts Thomas EDWARDS died 3 Aug 1922 after contracting TB in the army James & Thomas were the sons of Joseph EDWARDS and Sarah nee FIDLER of Chapel Milton Marjorie Ward Derbyshire, UK Sources for Disley; Lyme Handley; Taxal & Whaley www.disley.net Sources for NWDby incl Chapel; Charlesworth; Chinley; Fernilee; Glossop; Hayfield; Hope Valley; Mellor & New Mills www.nwdbysources.uk

Liz, I don't know what those families thought, but it happened to my family when my brother died. Upsetting, but not the end of the world. I guess it happens. It might have been more upsetting to the family who actually owns the plot, had they wanted to use the space and the mistake not been discovered. Carolyn Hastings Madison, AL USA Carolyn Hastings Madison AL On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 9:38 AM Elizabeth Youle via DERBYSGEN < derbysgen@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I didn't mention names because there are hundreds of my family buried > there. > I was surprised to find several people being "buried in the wrong place". I > wondered what families thought of that? > Liz > > -----Original Message----- > From: William Addy via DERBYSGEN [mailto:derbysgen@rootsweb.com] > Sent: 07 November 2018 14:46 > To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com > Cc: William Addy > Subject: [DBY]Re: Old Brampton - Waste Book > > > Liz mentioned the Old Brampton Burial Waste Book and the number of babies > with no recognition. We have many ancestors buried in the Old Brampton > churchyard and have found the Waste Book most helpful. My great grandfather > Edward Addy was married in 1850 and not until 1864-65 when my grandfather & > brother were born was there any mention of children leaving a gap of 14 > years. This mystery was solved when he died in 1882.The Waste Book not only > showed exactly where he was buried and how deep but also stated " two of > his > children having been interred there before". > > Bill Addy > NJ USA > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/derbysgen@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/derbysgen@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

I didn't mention names because there are hundreds of my family buried there. I was surprised to find several people being "buried in the wrong place". I wondered what families thought of that? Liz -----Original Message----- From: William Addy via DERBYSGEN [mailto:derbysgen@rootsweb.com] Sent: 07 November 2018 14:46 To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Cc: William Addy Subject: [DBY]Re: Old Brampton - Waste Book Liz mentioned the Old Brampton Burial Waste Book and the number of babies with no recognition. We have many ancestors buried in the Old Brampton churchyard and have found the Waste Book most helpful. My great grandfather Edward Addy was married in 1850 and not until 1864-65 when my grandfather & brother were born was there any mention of children leaving a gap of 14 years. This mystery was solved when he died in 1882.The Waste Book not only showed exactly where he was buried and how deep but also stated " two of his children having been interred there before". Bill Addy NJ USA _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/derbysgen@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com

A quite moving monument <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-46125068?SThisFB&fbclid=IwAR2Z4cHj1lOXf8xrCMWnwzPSazvoNgBVQ9thF9lWTz3QTPSOn6eUFZm_X90> -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Liz mentioned the Old Brampton Burial Waste Book and the number of babies with no recognition. We have many ancestors buried in the Old Brampton churchyard and have found the Waste Book most helpful. My great grandfather Edward Addy was married in 1850 and not until 1864-65 when my grandfather & brother were born was there any mention of children leaving a gap of 14 years. This mystery was solved when he died in 1882.The Waste Book not only showed exactly where he was buried and how deep but also stated " two of his children having been interred there before". Bill Addy NJ USA

It's at least 20 years since I went through this book while at Matlock so I thought I'd take another look today. It must have been horrendous the number of deaths of babies and young children that the vicar had to bury. Fortunately the Vicar was very generous with his time and not only noted the ages of the people he was burying but also where they lived and exactly where they were buried. This is very useful as most of these small children would not have had a headstone. Many of those people also did not live in Old Brampton. Some from as far as 10 miles away so always worth taking a look. He also notes the cause of death on occasion. ie: This man met with his death when at work in a quarry belonging to the Duke of Portland by a large quantity of earth and stone falling upon him. Liz --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com

It is interesting what lr Mill put up.  I know possibly my family may have been one who upset the cottage industires as they had mills in Derby  = surname of Peet, I don't know a lot about them during this time, but they were involved in the community of the church and other things also. regards beryl

They were born into a really interesting time - 1760s February 10, 1763: The Treaty of Paris ended the French and Indian War in North America, granting Britain control of all land to the east of the Mississippi River. The act mandated that many commodities shipped from the colonies had to pass through Britain before going to other European countries. Was that really the first time Britain had a say in what was to happen in Europe...Brexit! I doubt that their fathers would have been aware what was going on around them. It is always interesting to know what was happening in England when our ancestors were born. Liz --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com

Connections are all around us I am related to Robert Haylock OWEN who was CO of the 3rd Battalion Australian Imperial Forces who landed at Anzac Cove 25th April 1915 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 05/11/2018 12:38, Joy Hungerford wrote: > Hi Nivard > > My GGP, Francis Charles and Temperance COX, lived in Alfreton. > Temperance had two older sisters, Elizabeth Anne and Mary Ann. > > Although they were never to know it, the three sisters were to share a > poignant link during the First World War. > > Elizabeth Anne’s Australian grandsons, > George Henry GATES, awarded the Military Medal, and Frank Johnson GATES, > who received the Gallipolli Star, were to die in 1918. > > Mary Ann’s grandson, René d’ANDIRAN, (soldat au 82e infanterie),  died > in 1915, > and Temperance’s son, Henry Thomas COX, my grandfather, of the 11th > Battalion, > Sherwood Foresters, died, by “friendly fire” on the first day of the > Battle of Messines, > 7 June 1917, during the largest ever non-nuclear explosion. > > I remember all these relatives. And in addition, Henry Thomas's son (my > uncle), > Ronald COX, who died at RAF Finningley in August 1943. > > Joy Hungerford

Many thanks for posting this Lou, I am a bit late as I have a few other things going on at present Yes thought provoking indeed I always try to think of the times when my lot were born, married or died, of what was going on around them, it brings more context to our relatives lives One g.g.grandfather was born just after the Napoleonic wars, loads of ex soldiers around so work was hard to get and poorly paid at that Another g.g.grandfather was born the year Bonaparte seized power in 1799, he went on to own plantations in Demerara picking up the cut priced plantations after the end of slavery A great grandfather was a founder member of a cycling club when cycling was in its infancy My mother was born a few short months after the Titanic sailed, she was six when the vote was gained for women, 16 when women over 21 got the vote in 1928 Those were all relatives outside of Derbyshire but effecting those in the county as well of course We think of ourselves with various major things going on around us, and how it effects us, so why not the same for those gone before ? I find reading the old newspapers a great way to get a feel for the goings on of the day Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 02/11/2018 20:15, lr_mills@mauimail.com wrote: > Hi, listers, > > The early 1800s must have been an interesting time for our ancestors to live in. The world was changing and not everyone was prepared for it. "Ideas" were flooding Europe from the French Revolution and the American Revolution. Ideas like individual freedom, the right to vote, religious freedom and technology. >

-----Original Message----- From: Bob Butler Sent: Friday, November 02, 2018 11:24 PM To: Derbyshire genealogy Subject: [DBY]Re: Derbyshire history - early 1800s Thanks for that Lou It really brings to mind the changes that were happening for our ancestors. We often think that the new technologies that we are experiencing are enormous but to them those changes were probably just as big and exciting - or worrying. Also without those discoveries our modern day life would be totally different. Bob Nottingham -----Original Message----- From: lr_mills@mauimail.com <lr_mills@mauimail.com> Sent: 02 November 2018 20:16 To: derbysgen <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DBY]Derbyshire history - early 1800s Hi, listers, The early 1800s must have been an interesting time for our ancestors to live in. The world was changing and not everyone was prepared for it. "Ideas" were flooding Europe from the French Revolution and the American Revolution. Ideas like individual freedom, the right to vote, religious freedom and technology. The spiining wheel had been around for about 450 years. Then James Hargreaves invented the spinning-jenny in 1764 and the cotton Gin in 1794. Industrial cloth weaving and making didn't really get started until 1803 and soon, lots of our ancestors found factory work in the mills. Most of our ancestors couldn't read or write. Public education was only just being formulated. One-room schools were the norm for a few decades. And students left school around age 11 or 12 to work in the factories or to tend the land. Wide-spread public education didn't ake root until about 1840. There were no railways until about 1840. If you wanted to go to London, it was several days on a stage coach, or, more likely, several weeks by wagon and barge. The potato, from the New World, was a popular crop. People talk now about the Irish Potato Famine of the 1840s, but it also impacted northern England, parts of France and the low countries. Lots of British peasants were on the move! Oh, and there was this Frenchman, Napoleon Bonaparte, who caused us a lot of grief. His trade wars were enough of a problem, but the number of British seaman and soldiers who went off to war had a huge impact on their families back home. But Napoleon also championed a lot of the Liberal ideas that remade European and American society. Britain was becoming a world power after Nelson's victory at Trafalgar in October of 1805. And James WATT's stema engine of 1781 was becoming widely available. In 1819, the first steamship crossed the Atlantic. In 1820 the Royal Navy had its first steam-powered ship. How were your Derbyshire ancestors impacted by all this? Let us share. Lou MIlls _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/derbysgen@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/derbysgen@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thank you, Nivard. Margaret On 06/11/2018 09:33, Nivard Ovington wrote: > > I confess I had vaguely heard of this but hadn't looked at it before > > Seems an interesting project and thought others may like to look into it > > https://www.pagesofthesea.org.uk/about/ > > --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com

I confess I had vaguely heard of this but hadn't looked at it before Seems an interesting project and thought others may like to look into it https://www.pagesofthesea.org.uk/about/ -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

We are remembering our Great Uncles - Pte ISAAC MYCOCK ( Busigny Cemetery Extension listed as J MYCROFT 1st Bn Leicestershire Regiment) died 29 September 1918 and Pte THOMAS BRADSHAW, 1st Bn., Sherwood Foresters, died France 11 March 1915 aged 24; listed on Le Touret Memorial Also Pte W GRATTON 15th Bn Sherwood Foresters (Notts & Derby Regiment) died 20 July 1916. Remembered on Peronne Road Cemetery Maricourt. Prunella & Derek Bradshaw

Sorry about the previous blank e mail! Hi Joy As far as I know I don’t have a North Wingfield connection. I can trace my Clay ancestors back to around 1650 in Wirksworth, where they stayed until the 1830s before moving on to Belper. Regards Alan Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Joy Hungerford <joyharp2010@hotmail.co.uk> Sent: Monday, November 5, 2018 4:55:28 PM To: Alan Bloor; derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re Lest We Forget Hi Alan Are your CLAYS linked with the North Wingfield family of that name? My own links are quite ancient, but if it looks promising, I'd love to share details. Kind regards Joy

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Joy Hungerford <joyharp2010@hotmail.co.uk> Sent: Monday, November 5, 2018 4:55:28 PM To: Alan Bloor; derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re Lest We Forget Hi Alan Are your CLAYS linked with the North Wingfield family of that name? My own links are quite ancient, but if it looks promising, I'd love to share details. Kind regards Joy