For many years I have researched my own family of Streets, Ash's, Hawley's etc in Derbyshire. My married family, KELLAND are all from Dartmouth in Devon, However, this Christmas I received a surprise email from someone giving me some incredibly wonderful insight into the Kelland family together with a birth certificate of one of great grandfather's children. Which says that the child's mother ANNIE JANE nee GILLARD was born in Derbyshire! That was a surprise. I thought she was from Devon too although I've never found her in the census records with her parents. Does anyone have ANNIE JANE GILLARD, born 1856 in Derbyshire? There's a few Annie Jane Gillards born in Devon which are far more likely to fit (I haven't ordered birth certificates yet) I thought it may be possible that she was born in Derbyshire but registered in Devon? Has anyone got Annie Jane who moved to Dartmouth and married Francis Arthur Kelland then moved to South Africa? Of course there is also the chance that since the child referred to above was born in South Africa, the South African authorities simply put Derbyshire down as an area they knew!! It's always worth a try though!! Happy new surprises in 2013 everyone! -- Rose Kelland www.rosescountryrose.blogspot.com www.livesandtimesofbella.blogspot.com

Prunella looked through Crich records and drew a blank Then I remembered my lost g.grandmother and how I found her! A possible for you George Ratcliffe died Q2 of 1855 in Belper Reg District 7b 67 Hannah Ratcliffe married William Goodall Q4 of 1860 in Belper Reg dist 7b 758 1861 census has Hannah Goodall 28 (married of Crich) FWK living without husband William in Arnold (RG 9; Piece: 2443; Folio: 31; Page: 8;) I had this scenario with my lost g.grandmother for many years Hope this helps Regards On 27 Dec 2012, at 16:44, Prunella wrote: > I am looking for GEORGE and HANNAH RATCLIFFE (d/o William & Ruth MARTIN) last located on the 1851 in Crich, when both were aged 28 and George was a FWK. > > Prunella. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> Hi Joy,  > something else I saw was the following.. > > Historically, Sale was a township in the ancient parish of Ashton upon Mersey in > the hundred of Bucklow and county of Cheshire.  > > > This means it was in Cheshire at one time. > > Mike Morris  > Toronto Canada > > > >> ________________________________ >>  From: Joy Hungerford <joyharp2010@hotmail.co.uk> >> To: "derbysgen@rootsweb.com" <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 10:05:11 AM >> Subject: [DBY] Phyllis Mary BIRCH b Somewhere on Mersey 1907 >> >> >> I'm intrigued by a little girl Phyllis Mary BIRCH, living with her > uncle, >> Ben Henry POUNTAIN (who is also my GU) at 5 Traffic Terrace, Hasland, in > 1911. >> She may, after all, be related to me. >> >> She was born at As*** on Mersey, Cheshire, in 1904, >> The enumerator of this schedule needs to be kept in to do it again, as there > are  >> many silly errors on the page. >> >> I can't find a place which equates with 'As*** on Mersey' and > although I've found a  >> little Phyllis Mary BIRCH, b OND 1906, Bucklow, CHS, I feel that it can > hardly be described as 'on Mersey.' >> >> Please could someone, perhaps with local knowledge, tell me what this > birthplace might be? >> >> Kind regards >> >> Joy >> >> >>                           >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >

> Hi Joy ,  > I have located a couple of Birch families in the 1901 Ashton on Mersey census. > Will send them you. > > Regards  > Mike Morris > > > ----- Original Message ----- >>  From: Joy Hungerford <joyharp2010@hotmail.co.uk> >>  To: "derbysgen@rootsweb.com" <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> >>  Cc: >>  Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 10:05:11 AM >>  Subject: [DBY] Phyllis Mary BIRCH b Somewhere on Mersey 1907 >> >> >>  I'm intrigued by a little girl Phyllis Mary BIRCH, living with her > uncle, >>  Ben Henry POUNTAIN (who is also my GU) at 5 Traffic Terrace, Hasland, in > 1911. >>  She may, after all, be related to me. >> >>  She was born at As*** on Mersey, Cheshire, in 1904, >>  The enumerator of this schedule needs to be kept in to do it again, as > there >>  are > many silly errors on the page. <snip> >

Hi Joy ,  I have located a couple of Birch families in the 1901 Ashton on Mersey census. Will send them you. Regards  Mike Morris ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joy Hungerford <joyharp2010@hotmail.co.uk> > To: "derbysgen@rootsweb.com" <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> > Cc: > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 10:05:11 AM > Subject: [DBY] Phyllis Mary BIRCH b Somewhere on Mersey 1907 > > > I'm intrigued by a little girl Phyllis Mary BIRCH, living with her uncle, > Ben Henry POUNTAIN (who is also my GU) at 5 Traffic Terrace, Hasland, in 1911. > She may, after all, be related to me. > > She was born at As*** on Mersey, Cheshire, in 1904, > The enumerator of this schedule needs to be kept in to do it again, as there > are > many silly errors on the page. <snip>

Hi Joy,  something else I saw was the following.. Historically, Sale was a township in the ancient parish of Ashton upon Mersey in the hundred of Bucklow and county of Cheshire.  This means it was in Cheshire at one time. Mike Morris  Toronto Canada >________________________________ > From: Joy Hungerford <joyharp2010@hotmail.co.uk> >To: "derbysgen@rootsweb.com" <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 10:05:11 AM >Subject: [DBY] Phyllis Mary BIRCH b Somewhere on Mersey 1907 > > >I'm intrigued by a little girl Phyllis Mary BIRCH, living with her uncle, >Ben Henry POUNTAIN (who is also my GU) at 5 Traffic Terrace, Hasland, in 1911. >She may, after all, be related to me. > >She was born at As*** on Mersey, Cheshire, in 1904, >The enumerator of this schedule needs to be kept in to do it again, as there are  >many silly errors on the page. > >I can't find a place which equates with 'As*** on Mersey' and although I've found a  >little Phyllis Mary BIRCH, b OND 1906, Bucklow, CHS, I feel that it can hardly be described as 'on Mersey.' > >Please could someone, perhaps with local knowledge, tell me what this birthplace might be? > >Kind regards > >Joy > > >                          > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

I am looking for GEORGE and HANNAH RATCLIFFE (d/o William & Ruth MARTIN) last located on the 1851 in Crich, when both were aged 28 and George was a FWK. Prunella.

Can't find her christening in Hope St Peter or Taxal St James. Don't have access to Fairfield St Peter transcription. ________________________________ From: Patricia Andrew <pdandrew32@gmail.com> To: DERBYSGEN@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 27 December 2012, 4:01 Subject: [DBY] Looking for Hannah Cocker in Hope 1760s My 4x great-grandmother, Hannah Cocker, married Peter Andrew in Eyam Parish Church 29 Dec 1783. The marriage register recorded her as being "of Hope." The witnesses were Robert How and William Cocker, who might have been her father or brother, or even an uncle. Hannah appears in the 1841 census as age 75. Given the rounding up or down that was used for that census, I would surmise she might have been born around 1763 - 1769. If anyone has access to the Hope parish records, I wonder if you could please look for her there. I realize she was not necessarily born or christened in Hope, but could have been. Thanks for any help you can give me! cheers, Pat ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>From Dick Eastman's blog: <http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2012/12/300-million-records-free-at-ancestrycom-for-the-next-4-days.html> Seasons Greetings. Andy.

What a wonderful idea ! Trying to find any trace of Rob MIDDLETON, a druggist by profession, in England prior to 1839. Came to the U.S. Sept. 5,  1839 with wife Ann & daughters Jane & Mary. Rob MIDDLETON, b. approx. 1795 wife, Ann, b. approx. 1796 dau., Jane, b. Dec. 24, 1818 dau., Mary, b. approx. 1828 Jane MIDDLETON   mentions several people from Tideswell in her 1885 will (siblings:  Edward HUNSTONE & Jane HUNSTONE DAVIS.) Edward HUNSTONE's wife was Mary Ann MIDDLETON, however have not yet documented any connection between Jane MIDDLETON & the people in her will.) Thank you, Sherri Princeton, NJ, USA

My 4x great-grandmother, Hannah Cocker, married Peter Andrew in Eyam Parish Church 29 Dec 1783. The marriage register recorded her as being "of Hope." The witnesses were Robert How and William Cocker, who might have been her father or brother, or even an uncle. Hannah appears in the 1841 census as age 75. Given the rounding up or down that was used for that census, I would surmise she might have been born around 1763 - 1769. If anyone has access to the Hope parish records, I wonder if you could please look for her there. I realize she was not necessarily born or christened in Hope, but could have been. Thanks for any help you can give me! cheers, Pat

My 3x great grandmother was Frances Horlow according to a record I have found for her marriage to John Peach at St Alkmund's Derby on the 29th January 1828. She was his second wife, his first Lydia having died in October 1827. John was born and baptised in Kedleston and as a result all of his children were too so I have quite good records of them and him as I know he as a stockiner in 1820 and a lacemaker in 1830 before becoming an ag lab later. I have to assume he was in Kedleston from his first marriage in 1809 although the first address time this is confirmed is in 1841. Frances, on every census says she was born in Nottingham in 1801. This age is confirmed on her death certificate. That is all I know of her. I can't find any Horlows in the Midlands area so I suspect is should be Harlow but I can't find any Nottingham Harlows either. I have looked for male siblings in the 1841 and 1851 censuses but can't find any that were born in Nottingham. There are quite a few Derby Harlows but none with a Nottingham connection. Tantalisingly I find one Harlow family in 1841 living quite close to a Peach family in Little Chester but I don't have this Peach family in my tree and there are quite a few unconnected branches of them in Derby. I did wonder if she had been married before as she would have been about 27 when she married John but the only two Harlow marriages I can find between 1820 and 1828 are not likely candidates. Has anybody any ideas of where I can look?. If anyone has access to the St Alkmund's records that might help, but I live in Devon so that won't happen anytime soon. I would love to know who the witnesses were and why they married there when all other things happened at Kedleston. Happy new year to all. Meg Magdalen Galley-Taylor meg@taylor.it   ************************

Lost marriage RICHARD GAGER TO SUSANNA [unknown, searching for her maiden name]between August 1765- July 1779 Richard and Susanna [AKA Susan] had three daughters that I know of all christen in King Lynn NORFOLK, at St Margaret's Elizabeth GAGE christen Nov 1768 no birth date written [not written for other children in parish either] Mary GAGER christen Dec 1771 born in August Anne GAGER christen Aug 1774 born in April Richard buried July 1779 Susanna buried July 1786 Richard married Ann Nelson April 1764 in St Lawrence, Tilney Norfolk, banns recorded in both church's for Richard was from King Lynn, Witnesses William Bevis and James Templeman. [Ann Stanfield was the widow of John Nelson whom she married April 1759 at Tilney]Witnesses William Bervis, John Stanfield Richard and Ann had one son John christen August 1765. Ann was buried the same day at St Margaret's King Lynn. I have spent many hours looking for this Richard and Susanna marriage. There is no record of a marriage at St Margaret's King Lynn or banns recorded for elsewhere. I have tried looking for Richards christening and he is possible Richard GAGER christen 1734 in Bury St Edmund's in St James's church in Suffolk son of Richard and Mary. The name Richard GAGER appears a little in this area. There is no marriage however for the couple here. > All of us have ancestors we cannot find, > > These lost and strayed souls do NOT have to be from our area. >

Morning you bright eyed people, peeps at Breadsall again. BREADSALL BURIALS 1840 29 Jan 1840 John TOWLE Breadsall 79 15 Feb 1840 Catherine PORTER Breadsall 64 22 Apr 1840 Robert TURNER Breadsall 25 1 May 1840 Joseph MATHER 27 2 Jun 1840 Matthew MORLEDGE Breadsall 74 15 Jun 1840 Hannah FOX Breadsall 31 9 Jul 1840 Sarah HEATHCOTE Breadsall 66 3 Aug 1840 Eliza HANDLEY Derby St Alkmund 10 22 Sep 1840 Joseph COWLEY Breadsall 22 9 Nov 1840 Elizabeth MATHER Breadsall 51 10 Nov 1840 William STARBUCK Breadsall 38 suicide 17 Nov 1840 Frances DOLMAN Breadsall 21 21 Nov 1840 James BIRKIN Breadsall 18 28 Nov 1840 Mary COWLEY Breadsall 30 8 Dec 1840 Letitia STEVENS Breadsall 6 26 Dec 1840 Joseph STEVENS Breadsall 20 mike -- http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm

to the toe end. REPTON BURIALS 1845 Apr-Dec 6 Apr 1845 Joseph BANTON Repton 85 15 Apr 1845 Sarah MONK Repton 55 2 May 1845 Seth WARD Repton 4 22 May 1845 Catherine NORTH Bretby 22 24 May 1845 Thomas FAULKNER Bretby 74 28 May 1845 Mary Ann FORD Repton 24 10 Jun 1845 Elizabeth MARSHALL Repton 76 17 Jun 1845 Ann ORME Bretby 37 25 Jun 1845 Mary MOORCROFT Repton 67 7 Jul 1845 Thomas MOORHOUSE Repton 70 10 Jul 1845 Oswald? TABBERER? Repton surgeon 43 10 Jul 1845 George WATSON Repton 46 27 Aug 1845 Eliza MEAKIN Repton inf 7 Sep 1845 Joseph CLEMENTSON Repton 3 5 Oct 1845 Alice STARTIN Bretby in Repton inf 14 Nov 1845 Richard WEBSTER Repton 73 17 Dec 1845 Thomas Smith Darlaston SMITH Repton inf mike -- http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm

Merry Christmas everyone. Hope you had a wonderful day? I'm taking Charani up on her quest to bring home the lost ancestors. I posted the following on the LINCSGEN list in April 2011 and I still haven't had much luck finding the information I would love to find out about my 2nd great grandfather. One of my 2nd great-grandfather's has been a brickwall for many many years and I don't see me bringing this one down any time soon so if anyone can find this little blighter I will be forever grateful. :) Here is what I have on so far: 1. His name was William WRIGHT and from the two (maybe three) censuses I have found him in his birth year works out to between 1833 and 1837. 2. I cannot find him anywhere in the 1841 or 1851 census. Either under WRIGHT or HUTTON. 3. I think I may have found him in 1861; a William WRIGHT living in Maltby-le-Marsh, aged 24, unmarried, Ag. Lab and born in Theddlethorpe. To find this entry I took out a map and checked it against every William WRIGHT's birth place in this census, this entry was the one closest to Saltfleetby. 4. On 21st November, 1867 he married Susan LAKE in Mablethorpe. Both their ages were given as full so there is no specific age to go on. Neither had been married before. Now William's father's name is given as _______HUTTON (Labourer). I have not come across it written like this before but I'm assuming this means he was illegitimate and knew his father was a Mr. HUTTON. The witnesses are no help they were Benjamin and Mary Jane LAKE, Susan's brother and sister-in-law. The certificate does state by Banns not license. 5. From the 1871 and 1881 census he gave his birth place as Saltfleetby and his occupation was Ag. Lab/Labourer. 6. He and Susan had seven children that I know of; Walter LAKE (1867 Grimsby), John (1869 Trusthorpe), Mary Ann (1871 Mablethorpe), George (1872 Trusthorpe), Mark (1875 - Huttoft - my great-grandfather), Benjamin (1880 Withcall) and Alice (1882 Huttoft) 6. On Mark's birth certificate (1875) William's occupation was Farm Labourer. 7. On Mark's marriage certificate (1903) William's occupation was given as Foreman. 8. In the 1891 census, Susan, is listed as a Widow living with two of her children Benjamin aged 11 years born Withcall and Alice aged 8 years born Alford. 9. So William died between 1883 and 1891 but there are a few William WRIGHT death registrations and I'm not sure which one is him. I don't have the updated NBI so I don't know if there is a burial for him. 10. I'm not sure if he left a will or not either I checked the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations),1861-1941 at Ancestry and can't find any reference to him. 11. I have tried looking for a baptism via the IGI and the records on Ancestry but so far I haven't found anything. It doesn't help that there are so many Saltfleetby's. It would be wonderful to find out who his mother/parents were, where he was actually born/baptised and where he died or was buried. UPDATE: I have checked for baptisms in Saltfleeby All Saints, St. Clements and St. Peters. I believe I also checked both Theddlethorpe and Theddlethorpe St. Helens all on LincstothePast.com without any luck either. I think this has to be one of the biggest brickwalls that I have come across and if anyone can help I would be forever in your debt. Take care Jayne

Merry Christmas...and not quite lost.. My ancestor William Hemmingray came to the US in 1843 with his father John Hemmingray and mother Ann (Ellis) from Belper. I am trying to figure out who Ann's parents might have been? She was born circa 1796, though the census record in 1841 makes her appear older. There was a "biography" written about William here in the US around the turn of the 20th century. He had become a noted mine inspector. In the biography, the author stated that Ann Ellis Hemmingray's family came from the area of Castle Donington. Every record that I have for them, including William's death record states that his parents were from Belper or Heague. There is a record in the IGI for an Ann Ellis born to William and Dorothy Ellis of Derbyshire, that looks promising. I just don't know where to go with this. Thank you, Bev W -----Original Message----- From: N NASH <nnash@shaw.ca> To: derbysgen <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, Dec 25, 2012 10:48 am Subject: Re: [DBY] Bringing home the lost and strayed Lost George PERRY, born Isle Brewers, Somerset 1839. Became a dairyman in Devon. Last found on 1861 census. John Pernie WOOD, born Barrow, Lancashire 1889. enlisted in the Navy 1909 for 12 years. Lost sight of him 1917. George WOOD, born Brackenfield, Derbyshire 1863. Last info from 1871 census where he is living at Green Carr Cottage, Brackenfield . Samuel WOOD WILMOTT, born 1853 Green Hill Lane, Ashover, Derbyshire happy New Year everyone! Noreen > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Season's greeting to all whether you have been celebrating Hanukkah or are celebrating Christmas, Kwanzaa, Saturnalia or another fesitval. All of us have ancestors we cannot find, who've strayed or otherwise become lost. So, from now until New Year's Day, post the names and last known location, together with any other information you are sure of, to give others a chance to try to find your missing ancestors. These lost and strayed souls do NOT have to be from our area. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Lost George PERRY, born Isle Brewers, Somerset 1839. Became a dairyman in Devon. Last found on 1861 census. John Pernie WOOD, born Barrow, Lancashire 1889. enlisted in the Navy 1909 for 12 years. Lost sight of him 1917. George WOOD, born Brackenfield, Derbyshire 1863. Last info from 1871 census where he is living at Green Carr Cottage, Brackenfield . Samuel WOOD WILMOTT, born 1853 Green Hill Lane, Ashover, Derbyshire happy New Year everyone! Noreen > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

now to Breadsall BREADSALL BURIALS 1839 4 May 1839 William ENSOR Breadsall 67 25 Jun 1839 Dinah SHEPHERD Breadsall 32 child bed 25 Jun 1839 Samuel SHEPHERD Breadsall inf 11 Jul 1839 Roby MOORE Breadsall inf water in the head 29 Jul 1839 Sarah RILEY Breadsall 72 17 Aug 1839 Fanny COWLEY Breadsall inf 27 Nov 1839 Samuel PORTER Breadsall 74 mike -- http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm