The list has been quiet of late so let's wake it up a bit. Everyone has brickwalls: those ancestors who are out to be Hide & Seek Champions of the World. Have a look and see if you have any elusive ancestors whose surnames begin with A. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Hi I am not receiving any messages from this list - is there a problem or is the list quiet?. My p.c. is clean, my anti virus is excellent and I am receiving emails from several different sources. Fingers crossed I receive a copy of this email back to me. Regards Jack Jack Richards www.richardsbygonetimes.co.uk

I have a lead on an ancestor John JONES, probably buried in Risley 1743-1744. Is anyone with access to the Risley PRs able to confirm this please? With thanks, Darryl Sydney, Australia

Hi, There are several public viewed 'trees' on Ancestry .co.uk where subscribers can contact the 'tree' owner. Perhaps this is the way forward. regards Pete in Mansfield ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Palmer" <johnpalmer@wirksworth.org.uk> To: <DERBYSGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 11:52 PM Subject: [DBY] MAINPRICE, Wirksworth > Hello, > I have received a plea for help. Can anyone help this lady? > If so, contact me and I will forward any ideas. > --------- > I am writing to you to see if you can help me in anyway. I have been given > a > very old Browns Bible. It has inside three pages all about the births and > deaths of the Mainprice Family. The father, John Charles Mainprice, > originally coming from Great Yarmouth, ended up with his wife Bertha > living > in Wirksworth Derbyshire. I have been looking into this for several weeks > now, trying to trace a living relative so that I can return this back to > the > family where it belongs. I managed to trace up to 1983, Doris Mainprice > whose will resided at Woodlands Road in Allestree. I contacted the > solicitors, Bemrose and Ling, who dealt with it, but understandably they > were unable to give out any information. I am now stuck as to where else > to > look. After reading your story on the internet, I thought I would ask you > for your help if your are able. > ------- > Regards, > John Palmer. > Author of Wirksworth website > www.wirksworth.org.uk > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello John......Just spotted this, there could be a connection.....Regards Stuart Scarborough Evening News.... Row over Bolts goes on as plans set to go in again Published on Saturday 9 February 2013 11:45 The fight over plans to close The Bolts passageway at night is facing yet more time before a resolution can be reached as formal applications have to be resubmitted. Two Scarborough businessmen had applied to Scarborough Council to gate off the historic passageway, which runs behind their eateries in Sandside, to protect their staff from anti social at night. The application was processed by the authority, and advertised online resulting in much controversy with many writing to planning officers both against and in favour of the plans. However ahead of the matter going before the planning committee, officers decided that the application should not be dealt with by the Borough Council but infact needed to be submitted to North Yorkshire County Council. Guilian Alonzi, who runs the Harbour Bar icecream parlour, and is behind the application, says he will still proceed with his hopes of gating off The Bolts after hours. He said: “We are completely puzzled. The council accepted our application, they advertised it, and they consulted on it. Then after all that they decided it wasn’t them that should deal with it afterall. “We have since been in talks with the County Council to find out what proceedure we need to follow in submitting our application to them. “From my point of view I have great respect for the people that work for me and I will do everything I can to keep them safe.” Equally keen in their stance is Laurin Mainprize, who lives in the only residential property in The Bolts, and is heading a petition against any closure. She said: “We made ourselves heard over the first application and we will do everything we can to make our views heard again.” Ms Mainprize and the objectors believe the night-time gates could lead to a more permanent closure of The Bolts, which they feel is a big part of the town’s heritage. However Mr Alonzi stresses he is only seeking to close the passageway at night. > From: johnpalmer@wirksworth.org.uk > To: DERBYSGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 23:52:06 +0000 > Subject: [DBY] MAINPRICE, Wirksworth > > Hello, > I have received a plea for help. Can anyone help this lady? > If so, contact me and I will forward any ideas. > --------- > I am writing to you to see if you can help me in anyway. I have been given a > very old Browns Bible. It has inside three pages all about the births and > deaths of the Mainprice Family. The father, John Charles Mainprice, > originally coming from Great Yarmouth, ended up with his wife Bertha living > in Wirksworth Derbyshire. I have been looking into this for several weeks > now, trying to trace a living relative so that I can return this back to the > family where it belongs. I managed to trace up to 1983, Doris Mainprice > whose will resided at Woodlands Road in Allestree. I contacted the > solicitors, Bemrose and Ling, who dealt with it, but understandably they > were unable to give out any information. I am now stuck as to where else to > look. After reading your story on the internet, I thought I would ask you > for your help if your are able. > ------- > Regards, > John Palmer. > Author of Wirksworth website > www.wirksworth.org.uk > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, I have received a plea for help. Can anyone help this lady? If so, contact me and I will forward any ideas. --------- I am writing to you to see if you can help me in anyway. I have been given a very old Browns Bible. It has inside three pages all about the births and deaths of the Mainprice Family. The father, John Charles Mainprice, originally coming from Great Yarmouth, ended up with his wife Bertha living in Wirksworth Derbyshire. I have been looking into this for several weeks now, trying to trace a living relative so that I can return this back to the family where it belongs. I managed to trace up to 1983, Doris Mainprice whose will resided at Woodlands Road in Allestree. I contacted the solicitors, Bemrose and Ling, who dealt with it, but understandably they were unable to give out any information. I am now stuck as to where else to look. After reading your story on the internet, I thought I would ask you for your help if your are able. ------- Regards, John Palmer. Author of Wirksworth website www.wirksworth.org.uk

Hi Annette, I have a john DAKIN born in 1818 - death unknown at this point in time. He has a daughter Emily, the youngest of the family, as I have them, born in 1858. John is husband of my second cousin, 5 times removed. Coming throught the BROTHERHOOD line. I would be more than happy with a scan of the death certificate as it is one that I don't have at the moment. Regards, Christine M DENTON, 4 Plover Place, Wangarattam, Vic. 3677 -----Original Message----- From: derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Annette Watson Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2013 12:18 PM To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [DBY] DAKIN - John 1875 death cert not needed Hi everyone, I have a death cert for a John DAKIN aged 59 yrs who died 15 Oct 1875 at Ruddington, Dby, his daughter Emily DAKIN was present at his death. I am happy to post/copy certificate to whoever needs it, I thought it was my 2 x gr grandfather, but my John DAKIN died in Dec 1875 in West Hallam,he also had a daughter Emily. ( I have my John DAKIN'S death cert). Happy hunting Annette WATSON Lismore Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi everyone, I have a death cert for a John DAKIN aged 59 yrs who died 15 Oct 1875 at Ruddington, Dby, his daughter Emily DAKIN was present at his death. I am happy to post/copy certificate to whoever needs it, I thought it was my 2 x gr grandfather, but my John DAKIN died in Dec 1875 in West Hallam,he also had a daughter Emily. ( I have my John DAKIN'S death cert). Happy hunting Annette WATSON Lismore Australia

We have just added a Photo Archive of over 250 scenes to the Glossop Heritage site at http://www.glossopheritage.co.uk/. These are in addition to the existing photos which accompany the Local History articles. They may not show your ancestors but may well show where they worked, shopped and played. Graham

Glad to be of help. "Gnawing cake" conjures up some wonderful images, doesn't it! Janet All the details seem to point to Charles HEXTALL and Edward Jarvis HEXTALL being the same person. I'm quite keen to get him right, because my mother, niece of Charles and Amy HEXTALL, told me about attending the Coleorton Hall garden party. The son, whose coming-of-age party it was, circulated with a tray and said to my mother 'Do have some cake to gnaw while you're listening to the band.' This was one of the highlights of her childhood!

Hi Peter and Nicola This sounds remarkably like one of the songs from "Oh What a Lovely War", with the words adapted and the swearing removed. Barbara At 13:24 17/02/2013, you wrote: >Nichola >The full entry is: > >We are the Government's army, >We girls of the M.I.D, >We cannot fight, we cannot work, >What earthy use are we? >And when we go into the office >The governors all say >Mien Gott! Mien Gott! what a jolly fine lot >Are the girls of M.I.D. > >signed "Marmalade" M.I.D. 8.8.17 > > >From a war album courtesy R & K Pykett > >Peter > >On 17 Feb 2013, at 10:06, Nickie Johnson wrote: > > > > >> " In my WW1 research I have come across reference to the following ditty > >> dated 8/8/17: > >> We are the Government's army > >> We girls of the M.I.D. (and it goes one with humour) > >> > > What were the girls of the MID?? Have Googled and failed! > > I am trying to find out about the role of women in WW1 > >> Peter " > >> > > Any chance of a bit more of the ditty. It might help? You've got me > > intrigued! > > > > Nicola

I think I agree with Peter Lee, it could well be the Directorate of Military Intelligence (DMI) - especially signing Marmalade, like a codename. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directorate_of_Military_Intelligence They may have turned it into MID to rhyme better with the fourth line! The Americans did have a department MID (Military Intelligence Divison) in WW1. Nicola ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Patilla" <ppatilla@me.com> To: "Nickie Johnson" <nickie@barnsoft.co.uk>; <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [DBY] Girls of the M.I.D. > Nichola > The full entry is: > > We are the Government's army, > We girls of the M.I.D, > We cannot fight, we cannot work, > What earthy use are we? > And when we go into the office > The governors all say > Mien Gott! Mien Gott! what a jolly fine lot > Are the girls of M.I.D. > > signed "Marmalade" M.I.D. 8.8.17 > >>From a war album courtesy R & K Pykett > > Peter > > On 17 Feb 2013, at 10:06, Nickie Johnson wrote: > >> >>> " In my WW1 research I have come across reference to the following >>> ditty >>> dated 8/8/17: >>> We are the Government's army >>> We girls of the M.I.D. (and it goes one with humour) >>> >> What were the girls of the MID?? Have Googled and failed! >> I am trying to find out about the role of women in WW1 >>> Peter " >>> >> Any chance of a bit more of the ditty. It might help? You've got me >> intrigued! >> >> Nicola >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Many thanks for this, Janet. All the details seem to point to Charles HEXTALL and Edward Jarvis HEXTALL being the same person. I'm quite keen to get him right, because my mother, niece of Charles and Amy HEXTALL, told me about attending the Coleorton Hall garden party. The son, whose coming-of-age party it was, circulated with a tray and said to my mother 'Do have some cake to gnaw while you're listening to the band.' This was one of the highlights of her childhood! Kind regards Joy   ---------------------------------------- > From: janet@boothworld.co.uk > To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 10:23:49 +0000 > Subject: Re: [DBY] Was my HEXTALL Great Uncle Masquerading? > > Hello Joy, > > I can confirm from the Leicestershire FHS Burial Index that there was a > burial on 29 September 1910 at Market Bosworth of an Emma HEXTALL, aged 49 > of Market Bosworth. Also from the same source, and this could be a > corroboration of your existing knowledge, the burial at Market Bosworth on 2 > June 1925 of an Edward Jarvis HEXTALL, aged 66 of Coleorton. > > Looking at one of the Ancestry Family Trees for Edward Jarvis and wife Emma, > they did have a son Charles Edward HEXTALL, so perhaps Edward J preferred to > be known as Charles? > > Janet > > > > > Another tweak at the life-events of my GA, Lucy Amy STOKES, b 1876 > in Alfreton, reveals a marriage to:- > > Edward J HEXTALL AMJ 1914 Ashby de la Zouch. > > This would tie in nicely with the fact that Amy, as she was known, > was single and housekeeper in the household of Dr Robert STEWART in > Leicester in 1911. > > I know that Amy and her husband, 'Charles' HEXTALL, were working at > Coleorton Hall > after their marriage, he as an engineer, she as cook. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

How about Military Intelligence Directorate/Division ? In WW1 they took on many young ladies for a number of jobs in the registry, mail interception, etc. I think they used to have a revue each year. However, the ditty is a bit self-derogatory! Pete in France -----Original Message----- From: Peter Patilla Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 2:24 PM To: Nickie Johnson ; derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DBY] Girls of the M.I.D. Nichola The full entry is: We are the Government's army, We girls of the M.I.D, We cannot fight, we cannot work, What earthy use are we? And when we go into the office The governors all say Mien Gott! Mien Gott! what a jolly fine lot Are the girls of M.I.D. signed "Marmalade" M.I.D. 8.8.17 >From a war album courtesy R & K Pykett Peter On 17 Feb 2013, at 10:06, Nickie Johnson wrote: > >> " In my WW1 research I have come across reference to the following ditty >> dated 8/8/17: >> We are the Government's army >> We girls of the M.I.D. (and it goes one with humour) >> > What were the girls of the MID?? Have Googled and failed! > I am trying to find out about the role of women in WW1 >> Peter " >> > Any chance of a bit more of the ditty. It might help? You've got me > intrigued! > > Nicola > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Nichola The full entry is: We are the Government's army, We girls of the M.I.D, We cannot fight, we cannot work, What earthy use are we? And when we go into the office The governors all say Mien Gott! Mien Gott! what a jolly fine lot Are the girls of M.I.D. signed "Marmalade" M.I.D. 8.8.17 >From a war album courtesy R & K Pykett Peter On 17 Feb 2013, at 10:06, Nickie Johnson wrote: > >> " In my WW1 research I have come across reference to the following ditty >> dated 8/8/17: >> We are the Government's army >> We girls of the M.I.D. (and it goes one with humour) >> > What were the girls of the MID?? Have Googled and failed! > I am trying to find out about the role of women in WW1 >> Peter " >> > Any chance of a bit more of the ditty. It might help? You've got me > intrigued! > > Nicola > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Joy, I can confirm from the Leicestershire FHS Burial Index that there was a burial on 29 September 1910 at Market Bosworth of an Emma HEXTALL, aged 49 of Market Bosworth. Also from the same source, and this could be a corroboration of your existing knowledge, the burial at Market Bosworth on 2 June 1925 of an Edward Jarvis HEXTALL, aged 66 of Coleorton. Looking at one of the Ancestry Family Trees for Edward Jarvis and wife Emma, they did have a son Charles Edward HEXTALL, so perhaps Edward J preferred to be known as Charles? Janet Another tweak at the life-events of my GA, Lucy Amy STOKES, b 1876 in Alfreton, reveals a marriage to:- Edward J HEXTALL AMJ 1914 Ashby de la Zouch. This would tie in nicely with the fact that Amy, as she was known, was single and housekeeper in the household of Dr Robert STEWART in Leicester in 1911. I know that Amy and her husband, 'Charles' HEXTALL, were working at Coleorton Hall after their marriage, he as an engineer, she as cook.

> " In my WW1 research I have come across reference to the following ditty > dated 8/8/17: > We are the Government's army > We girls of the M.I.D. (and it goes one with humour) > What were the girls of the MID?? Have Googled and failed! I am trying to find out about the role of women in WW1 >Peter " > Any chance of a bit more of the ditty. It might help? You've got me intrigued! Nicola

Could it be something to do with the munitions industry? Jane in Redcar -----Original Message----- From: derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter Patilla Sent: 17 February 2013 09:31 To: Derbysgen Derbyshire Subject: [DBY] Girls of the M.I.D. Morning all In my WW1 research I have come across reference to the following ditty dated 8/8/17: We are the Government's army We girls of the M.I.D. (and it goes one with humour) What were the girls of the MID?? Have Googled and failed! I am trying to find out about the role of women in WW1 Peter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6107 - Release Date: 02/16/13

Morning all In my WW1 research I have come across reference to the following ditty dated 8/8/17: We are the Government's army We girls of the M.I.D. (and it goes one with humour) What were the girls of the MID?? Have Googled and failed! I am trying to find out about the role of women in WW1 Peter

Another tweak at the life-events of my GA, Lucy Amy STOKES, b 1876  in Alfreton, reveals a marriage to:-  Edward J HEXTALL AMJ 1914 Ashby de la Zouch. This would tie in nicely with the fact that Amy, as she was known,  was single and housekeeper in the household of Dr Robert STEWART in Leicester in 1911. I know that Amy and her husband, 'Charles' HEXTALL, were working at Coleorton Hall after their marriage, he as an engineer, she as cook. My mother remembered attending a garden party at Coleorton Hall to celebrate the  coming of age of the son of the Hall. Ancestry gives various entries for an Edward Jarvis HEXTALL, suggesting that someone  of this name married an Emma CRAIG and had a family of at least three children.  There are also several Emma HEXTALL deaths recorded in FreeBMD, including one in 1910. What I can't find is a marriage between my GA and 'Charles' HEXTALL, although I have found  that she died in Ashby in 1937. Intriguingly, Edward J HEXTALL describes himself in 1901 as an electrical engineer. What do you think, Dear Experts? I've always known that he was Charles. Might he *really* be Edward J? Kind regards Joy