Hi John, I'm no expert but I believe that governesses taught whatever they had skills and knowledge of themselves, so it varied one to another. They might be teaching young children primary level stuff, preparing boys for public school, helping young girls become accomplished young women, it all depended. The reason they ate alone was because they were technically not servants, they were professionals on contract - often they were from genteel levels of society themselves, perhaps fallen on hard times, which is why they were considered suitable to teach the children of well-off folks. They were between upstairs and downstairs in a role of their own. As with most jobs at the time that were open to women, the door shut fast the moment they married, because it was then considered their job was looking after husband, home and children. The fact that many women still had to do paid work as well to help the family make ends meet wasn't the point - their paid work was often invisible, seldom mentioned in censuses etc. I can still remember that it was the norm when I was young for female teachers to leave their jobs when they married, or if not then, certainly once they started to have children, and it was only a decade or two before that when female teachers would automatically lose their jobs when they married, as was the case in other professions too. Celia Renshaw in Chesterfield UK On 15 April 2013 09:21, John Palmer <johnpalmer@wirksworth.org.uk> wrote: > Hello folk, > What subjects did a Victorian governess teach? Why did she rarely get > married? > Why did she eat by herself? > > Does anyone know anything about Miss Mary Emma PIPER who was Governess > at Wirksworth Hall with the WOOD family 1862-1875? She never married though > living for > 95 years. She had brother George 1819 and sisters Fanny 1826 and Hannah > 1829. > > Some answers to these questions on www.wirksworth.org.uk/X643.htm > > Regards, > John Palmer, Dorset, England > Author of Wirksworth website > www.wirksworth.org.uk > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello folk, What subjects did a Victorian governess teach? Why did she rarely get married? Why did she eat by herself? Does anyone know anything about Miss Mary Emma PIPER who was Governess at Wirksworth Hall with the WOOD family 1862-1875? She never married though living for 95 years. She had brother George 1819 and sisters Fanny 1826 and Hannah 1829. Some answers to these questions on www.wirksworth.org.uk/X643.htm Regards, John Palmer, Dorset, England Author of Wirksworth website www.wirksworth.org.uk

Hello listers, Just getting to family research again after a couple of years absence - great to be back! I wonder if anyone has information on St. Alkmunds's Hospital in Derby circa 1901 (noted as a Children's Hospital). My great aunt is shown in the 1901 census as being there age 11 (Derwent ward). I'm curious as to why she might have been there and I can't find anything about the hospital. Grateful for any pointers to sources! Ann Vancouver, BC Canada Researching primarily GREEN, HALEK, KEETON, KENNING, KING, KNIGHT, SAVAGE in Derbyshire, Bucks & Argentina

Jennifer Sorry for delay in responding but we have been away for some days Pearson is not a name I know from Crich. I remember fondly a Pearson family from Dinas Powis nr Barry Island! Sorry I cannot be more helpful Peter On 7 Apr 2013, at 10:43, Jennifer Nicholas wrote: > A message for Peter Patilla, > > First congratulations on a very helpful website. > > I have a family of Pearsons of Crich starting with my GGF x 4 Benjamin Pearson born 1756 approx and Mary Ogden > > There are nine children and one of them, Job, my GGF x3 moves to Chesterfield where at one point he is a hatter. > > His son James my GGF x 2 was a cabinet maker. He married Elizabeth Arthur of Wadshelf. > > The family names are all bible related so I was presuming that they were non conformists but I have noticed a Laurence Pearson, Quaker 1657 on your website. It looks as though the family goes back in Crich further than I thought. > > Stuart Hill (Hills of Crich and Wadshelf ) is my second cousin related to me through the Froggatts of Stonelow. We came across each other through a mailing list . He has provided me with leads to the Pearsons of Crich and I wondered whether you might know whether there are any Pearsons still in Crich. > > Kind regards , Jennifer N. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Rosemary I'm sorry, but I don't know very much at all about the NOTONs. My knowledge starts with Michael and ends with his daughter Barbara. If I come across Elizabeth I will let you know Cheers, Joan -----Original Message----- From: Rosemary Probert Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 7:42 AM To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DBY] SOMERS dynasty in Duffield Joan, I have one NOTON in my tree: Elizabeth NOTON married Samuel HAWLEY, 16 Sep 1701 Chesterfield. I have speculated about where Elizabeth came from and discovered one possible family in Chesterfield who are recorded as both NOTON and *NEWTON* Regards, Rosemary Northumberland UK Email: rosemary@rprobert.co.uk Family History: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rprobert/ On 12/04/2013 20:51, Joan Saxton wrote: > Hi Celia > > Have you by any chance done any research into the NOTON family mentioned > below? > I have a Michael NOTON in my tree, married in 1699 Bakewell, died in 1737 > Great Longstone. > I would be grateful for any information, if you happened to have come > across > him. I realise there's some 20 miles between these places and Duffield, > but > it's the first time I've seen NOTON mentioned for ages so I can only ask! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks Dawn I will be in touch, offlist, shortly. Cheers, Joan -----Original Message----- From: Dawn Scotting Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 10:47 PM To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [DBY] Notons in Bakewell Joan, what did you want to know about Michael NOTON? There's a baptism at Bakewell for a Michael on the 31 Mar 1672 parents Michael & Margaret (nee Broadbotham) Noton of Birchill. Would that be him? Do you have an age at death? I have a few NOTONs in my Winster Family Tree on ancestry, your Michael isn't one of them but I can easily add him. Contact me offlist for more info. Cheers....Dawn ©¿©¬ > Have you by any chance done any research into the NOTON family mentioned > below? > I have a Michael NOTON in my tree, married in 1699 Bakewell, died in 1737 > Great Longstone. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Joan, what did you want to know about Michael NOTON? There's a baptism at Bakewell for a Michael on the 31 Mar 1672 parents Michael & Margaret (nee Broadbotham) Noton of Birchill. Would that be him? Do you have an age at death? I have a few NOTONs in my Winster Family Tree on ancestry, your Michael isn't one of them but I can easily add him. Contact me offlist for more info. Cheers....Dawn ©¿©¬ > Have you by any chance done any research into the NOTON family mentioned > below? > I have a Michael NOTON in my tree, married in 1699 Bakewell, died in 1737 > Great Longstone.

Joan, I have one NOTON in my tree: Elizabeth NOTON married Samuel HAWLEY, 16 Sep 1701 Chesterfield. I have speculated about where Elizabeth came from and discovered one possible family in Chesterfield who are recorded as both NOTON and *NEWTON* Regards, Rosemary Northumberland UK Email: rosemary@rprobert.co.uk Family History: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rprobert/ On 12/04/2013 20:51, Joan Saxton wrote: > Hi Celia > > Have you by any chance done any research into the NOTON family mentioned > below? > I have a Michael NOTON in my tree, married in 1699 Bakewell, died in 1737 > Great Longstone. > I would be grateful for any information, if you happened to have come across > him. I realise there's some 20 miles between these places and Duffield, but > it's the first time I've seen NOTON mentioned for ages so I can only ask!

Thanks anyway Cheers, Joan -----Original Message----- From: Celia Renshaw Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 9:33 PM To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DBY] SOMERS dynasty in Duffield Hi Joan, I'm afraid the NOTONs aren't among the families I've been researching so I'm no wiser than yourself. Sorry I can't help. Celia Renshaw in Chesterfield UK On 12 April 2013 20:51, Joan Saxton <joan@saxton61.fsnet.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Celia > > Have you by any chance done any research into the NOTON family mentioned > below? > I have a Michael NOTON in my tree, married in 1699 Bakewell, died in 1737 > Great Longstone. > I would be grateful for any information, if you happened to have come > across > him. I realise there's some 20 miles between these places and Duffield, > but > it's the first time I've seen NOTON mentioned for ages so I can only ask! > > Cheers, > Joan > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Joan, I'm afraid the NOTONs aren't among the families I've been researching so I'm no wiser than yourself. Sorry I can't help. Celia Renshaw in Chesterfield UK On 12 April 2013 20:51, Joan Saxton <joan@saxton61.fsnet.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Celia > > Have you by any chance done any research into the NOTON family mentioned > below? > I have a Michael NOTON in my tree, married in 1699 Bakewell, died in 1737 > Great Longstone. > I would be grateful for any information, if you happened to have come > across > him. I realise there's some 20 miles between these places and Duffield, but > it's the first time I've seen NOTON mentioned for ages so I can only ask! > > Cheers, > Joan > >

Hi Celia Have you by any chance done any research into the NOTON family mentioned below? I have a Michael NOTON in my tree, married in 1699 Bakewell, died in 1737 Great Longstone. I would be grateful for any information, if you happened to have come across him. I realise there's some 20 miles between these places and Duffield, but it's the first time I've seen NOTON mentioned for ages so I can only ask! Cheers, Joan -----Original Message----- From: Celia Renshaw Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 3:28 PM To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [DBY] SOMERS dynasty in Duffield Hi all, I'm posting this message as an advert for the potential usefulness of manorial documents. Just to give you an example of the kind of goldmine that can be dug up from manor records, here is something I found this week at Derbys Record Office in Duffield Fee Court Book D1404/20 covering dates 1652-60 (the only period before 1733 when entries were in English, yay) - I hope it may be of use to present or future SOMERS hunters: (It was presented to the Court that a Robert SOMERS had died, who held a messuage and a couple of crofts in Duffield Manor) "and that George SOMERS of the age of 16 (xvi) yeares and upwards is the Kinsman and next heir of the said Robert SOMERS to witt the only Son of George SOMERS his father who was Sonn of Geo: his Grandfather who was Son of George his Great Grandfather who was Son of Thomas his Great Great Grandfather which Thomas was Eldest Brother of Bartholomew who was Father of Robert which Robert was Father of the said Robert SOMERS lately deceased, And the said George SOMERS the heir then being present in Court did then make choise of Henry NOTON his uncle to wit his Mother’s brother to be his Gardian dureing his minority". The entry goes on to say that a counter-claim to the holding was made by William SOMERS a brother of the lately deceased Robert by a different mother (his claim didn't succeed). Celia Renshaw in Chesterfield UK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There's a lot about the Lambeth workhouse(s) - location with dates & drawings & pictures - at http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Lambeth/ Charlie Chaplin was briefly a resident in the 1890s, I think. Queen Street doesn't seem to be mentioned, but I only scanned it quickly. There were lots of Queen Streets in London, more than one in Lambeth in fact, but one was in Kennington and St Philips was Kennington I think (now part of Lambeth). This is a list of streets beginning with Q in Victorian London. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/hitch/gendocs/lonstr_q.html Margaret -----Original Message----- From: derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dave Shaw Sent: 12 April 2013 17:16 To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [DBY] Workhouse in London I'd be grateful for help from anyone who has knowledge of London in the 1870s. I have a relative who was married at the Parish Church, in the Parish of St Philips, Lambeth on 24th May 1877. Both bride and groom show their address as 9 Queen Street. I assume this was Lambeth but although there are plenty of Queen Streets in London I don't know if any are in Lambeth. In 1874 the bride gave birth to a son in the union workhouse in Oxford. Could the Queen Street address in London (Lambeth) also have been a workhouse. If so, how do I find out? I'd be grateful for any help. Dave Fleetwood ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'd be grateful for help from anyone who has knowledge of London in the 1870s. I have a relative who was married at the Parish Church, in the Parish of St Philips, Lambeth on 24th May 1877. Both bride and groom show their address as 9 Queen Street. I assume this was Lambeth but although there are plenty of Queen Streets in London I don't know if any are in Lambeth. In 1874 the bride gave birth to a son in the union workhouse in Oxford. Could the Queen Street address in London (Lambeth) also have been a workhouse. If so, how do I find out? I'd be grateful for any help. Dave Fleetwood

The other day when I posted a message about the SOMERS dynasty of Duffield, taken from Duffield Fee Manor records, I neglected two things. Firstly I didn't give the date of the entry, which was 21 May 1657. Secondly, I didn't give any info about locating and using manor records, and the difficulties involved. After a couple of enquiries, I thought I'd post some tips to my blogsite, which, if you are interested, you can read here: https://morgansite.wordpress.com/ Celia Renshaw in Chesterfield UK

----- Original Message ----- From: "Celia Renshaw" <celiarenshaw@gmail.com> To: <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 3:28 PM Subject: [DBY] SOMERS dynasty in Duffield Re Celia's posting: "I'm posting this message as an advert for the potential usefulness of manorial documents. " My word! Manorial documents here I come. Nickie

Hi all, I'm posting this message as an advert for the potential usefulness of manorial documents. Just to give you an example of the kind of goldmine that can be dug up from manor records, here is something I found this week at Derbys Record Office in Duffield Fee Court Book D1404/20 covering dates 1652-60 (the only period before 1733 when entries were in English, yay) - I hope it may be of use to present or future SOMERS hunters: (It was presented to the Court that a Robert SOMERS had died, who held a messuage and a couple of crofts in Duffield Manor) "and that George SOMERS of the age of 16 (xvi) yeares and upwards is the Kinsman and next heir of the said Robert SOMERS to witt the only Son of George SOMERS his father who was Sonn of Geo: his Grandfather who was Son of George his Great Grandfather who was Son of Thomas his Great Great Grandfather which Thomas was Eldest Brother of Bartholomew who was Father of Robert which Robert was Father of the said Robert SOMERS lately deceased, And the said George SOMERS the heir then being present in Court did then make choise of Henry NOTON his uncle to wit his Mother’s brother to be his Gardian dureing his minority". The entry goes on to say that a counter-claim to the holding was made by William SOMERS a brother of the lately deceased Robert by a different mother (his claim didn't succeed). Celia Renshaw in Chesterfield UK

Hi I'm looking for any information about Robert EDLEY or EDLIN and his wife Barbara, my 6g grandparents, who were having children in North Wingfield from 1723. Both Robert and Barbara were buried in North Wingfield. Any help in finding where Robert EDLEY was born and where Robert and Barbara were married would be greatly appreciated. thank you Jenny Deverell ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Would like to be sure of the parents of Robert EADES butcher who married Emily/Emma FOX of Eckington. He was born Calver circa 1825. I know everything about him and her forward it is the time from christening backwards which I'm not 100% certain of. Any help appreciated. Jane in Redcar -----Original Message----- From: derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Charani Sent: 08 April 2013 12:18 To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [DBY] Brickwall Demolition - E I have some E surnames but either not in Derbyshire or post WWI. So it's over to you :)) Anyone with an E surname that's being a problem? -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have some E surnames but either not in Derbyshire or post WWI. So it's over to you :)) Anyone with an E surname that's being a problem? -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

There are a number of SHAWs in Danesmoor near Clay Cross, NE Derbyshire-three CROFTS sisters married 2 Shaw brothers in the early 1900s there. There is a very good Clay Cross site-worth looking at and a great Matlock and Wirksworth sites. My mother was a CROFTS. However neither name is uncommon. all the best Barbara ________________________________ From: Patti Gates <doog3@msn.com> To: DERBYSGEN@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 7 April 2013, 16:54 Subject: [DBY] SHAW First time visitor Seeking information regarding my SHAW ancestors and any possible Shaw relatives still living in  Matlock, Derbyshire, England. My 9th Great Grandmother (I believe ) was Jean Editha Cunningham b. 23 Oct 1576 in Ashbourne, Derbyshire and died in Matlock. Her father is listed as Antonii Shaw. Was this a second marriage for her or was her mother's maiden name Cunningham? 9th Great Grandfather was Captain John Shaw. b. 1570 in Matlock  d. 1620 in Conneticut - British American Colonies. Captain John Shaw arrived in Cape Cod in 1620 with his sons- Thomas, John and Edmund. Thomas who was one of the founders of Windsor, CT John b. May 1600 Halifax, Yorkshire, England  and d.1664 Plymouth Colony, Massachusetts. Plymouth Colony Pilgrim (husband of Alice, father of John, Abigail, James and Jonathan). Edward aka Edmund S. Shaw b. 30 Jan 1595 in Matlock. He  settled in Fairfield, CT and then in Cape May, NJ. He married Anne Kellet and  Jane Pierson in NY. Edmund d. 3 May 1665 East Hampton, Long Island, NY. I would appreciate any information regarding my ancestors. Thank you. Patti Lee Gates ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message