Peter, Thank you for that photo! Hope the dentist trip wasn't too bad! I have very vague memories of this particular shop, but my memories are mainly of the shop further along Smedley Street. It was more or less opposite the footpath coming down from Wellington Street, my route to Matlock County Junior School! I could never understand why my Grandad put the word WASH on his shoe shop window! This was when I was about 7 or 8 years old! (Of course it was W. ASH for Walter Ash!) Glad you got some more snippets on your own family! It's always worth having a chat to someone - they might just be related!!! As I think I may have said before, it was on an occasional visit to a church in London, that I got talking to the chap sitting next to me who said his mother was from near Matlock and she was visiting him in London that weekend, and sitting next to him! She was the one who told me that a butcher had taken over the ASH shoe shop, and the rest is history already!! Hoping that your Derbyshire day is more sunny today! Thank you for the photo! Regards Rose Kelland (nee Street) On 18 April 2013 10:37, Rose Kelland <rekelland@gmail.com> wrote: > Peter, > > Thank you for that photo! Hope the dentist trip wasn't too bad! I have very > vague memories of this particular shop, but my memories are mainly of the > shop further along Smedley Street. It was more or less opposite the footpath > coming down from Wellington Street, my route to Matlock County Junior > School! I could never understand why my Grandad put the word WASH on his > shoe shop window! This was when I was about 7 or 8 years old! (Of course it > was W. ASH for Walter Ash!) > > Glad you got some more snippets on your own family! It's always worth having > a chat to someone - they might just be related!!! As I think I may have said > before, it was on an occasional visit to a church in London, that I got > talking to the chap sitting next to me who said his mother was from near > Matlock and she was visiting him in London that weekend, and sitting next to > him! She was the one who told me that a butcher had taken over the ASH shoe > shop, and the rest is history already!! > > Hoping that your Derbyshire day is more sunny today! Thank you for the > photo! > > Regards > > Rose Kelland (nee Street) > > On 18 April 2013 10:18, Peter Patilla <ppatilla@mac.com> wrote: >> >> Rose >> A copy of the photo has been sent off-list. >> Took it early this morning on way to the dentist. >> The lollipop lady was intrigued at someone taking a photo of a closed shop >> in the rain quite early in the morning >> We got talking and found out she used to work with my mother and sister at >> Tor Hosiery in Matlock in the 1970s >> She also told me (you may know this) that the Ash family also had a shop >> further along Smedley Street just past Walls shoe shop, before the gardens >> Regards >> Peter >> >> >> On 9 Mar 2013, at 22:39, Rose Kelland wrote: >> >> > I wonder if I could ask someone living in Matlock to send me a photo >> > of the White Peak Farm Butchery on Smedley Street in Matlock?! I >> > can't find a picture online and would like to put it alongside the >> > story of the shop which used to be my Grandfather WALTER ASH's shoe >> > shop. >> > >> > Unfortunately I don't have a picture of when it was his shop, just the >> > empty shop as it was for a number of years after my Uncle RAY ASH left >> > it. >> > >> > Google maps still has the image with the empty shop and clearly shows >> > the W.ASH & SONS old wooden sign above the door. A few years back >> > when we took my mother to see the butcher's shop, and we asked what >> > happened to the sign, I think the gentleman said his wife was keeping >> > it!!! >> > >> > If someone wouldn't mind, perhaps when they next go to buy their >> > sausages, I'd really appreciate it!!! >> > >> > And if anyone knows where I can find a photo of the shoe shop, I'd >> > really love that! >> > >> > Many thanks >> > >> > -- >> > Rose Kelland (nee Street) >> > www.rosescountryrose.blogspot.com >> > www.livesandtimesofbella.blogspot.com >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > -- > Rose Kelland > www.rosescountryrose.blogspot.com > www.livesandtimesofbella.blogspot.com > -- Rose Kelland www.rosescountryrose.blogspot.com www.livesandtimesofbella.blogspot.com

Sorry about the spelling of David's surname. It should read COCKERTON. It doesn't look like Margaret was a widow at the time of the marriage. She was born in 1865 so would have been 16. -----Original Message----- From: derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Chris Andrew Sent: April-18-13 11:08 AM To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DBY] Margaret HARDWICK and David COCKERTON The Derbyshire Registrars Marriage Index has the following: 1881 Margaret WITHAM David Elijah CROCKERTON Dronfield, St John the Baptist

The Derbyshire Registrars Marriage Index has the following: 1881 Margaret WITHAM David Elijah CROCKERTON Dronfield, St John the Baptist

Rosemary When you carry out a person search and then look at the resulting page (in this case 1047) you get the three names. Several lines below the list of names FreeBMD asks "have you found the person you are looking for or is a spouse missing". It then directs you to a link (something like can be found here)and if you follow these links and read the instructions you can do several searches to try and find missing persons or errors. One of them permits you to search individual pages in a given volume. In that search routine I input Chesterfield, 2nd qtr and 1881 and it gave a list of pages and the number of names on each page. In this case I saw page 1017 also had three people and when I looked at that page spotted a Margaret WITHAM and then looked at that image and saw the potential for mis-transcription due to the badly imaged 1 or 4.. By the way I since looked for a Margaret HARDWICK marriage to a WITHAM prior to 1881 without success. I think if one name in a marriage is there then the other must be somewhere in the index as the record did reach the GRO to be indexed. If neither name is there then there is a possibility that the marriage record never made it to the GRO to be indexed and you then need the local RO index or other methods to find marriages. If you happen to have read the books about the GRO Indexes and all the errors in them (I think the title is something like "A Comedy of Errors) If I recall the author postulates a potential of 10% errors in the indexes. I feel lucky that I haven't yet found an error in my list of ancestors. And that's not quite true. I can't find my grandmother in either the GRO or local RO indexes and I can only surmise her mother never registered the illegitimate birth. Lots of transcription errors in FreeBMD though because of the poor quality of some original pages and the errors made by the original clerks transcribing the local info into the GRO index. That's not the fault of FreeBMD or the volunteer transcribers. They are doing a fantastic job Mel Smith -----Original Message----- From: derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rosemary Probert Sent: April 18, 2013 9:37 AM To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DBY] Margaret HARDWICK and David COCKERTON Hi Mel, Thank you. Possibly a silly question, but how did you get to Margaret WITHAM? By putting into the search fields volume 7b and page 1047, I only get 3 names - no Margaret. Searching for page 1017 there are also three names, so Margaret WITHAM's entry could be 1047. That would balance the numbers neatly and leave a possible marriage between David COCKERTON and Margaret WITHAM - who may or may not have been Margaret HARDWICK! Rosemary Northumberland UK Email: rosemary@rprobert.co.uk Family History: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rprobert/ Banburyshire Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engcbanb/ On 18/04/2013 13:34, Mel Smith wrote: > Hi Rosemary > > FreeBMD has a facility for searching for missing spouses by looking at > the relevant page numbers for a district and quarter. > > For Chesterfield Q2 page 1047 there is an oddball number of entries > again of 3. In this case one of the names is Margaret WITHAM and > looking at the image the 4 is not clear and perhaps could be a 1. > Is it possible that Margaret HARDWICK married a WITHAM and David > Cockerton is her second husband? > > Mel Smith > Whitby, Ontario, Canada <snip>

Rose A copy of the photo has been sent off-list. Took it early this morning on way to the dentist. The lollipop lady was intrigued at someone taking a photo of a closed shop in the rain quite early in the morning We got talking and found out she used to work with my mother and sister at Tor Hosiery in Matlock in the 1970s She also told me (you may know this) that the Ash family also had a shop further along Smedley Street just past Walls shoe shop, before the gardens Regards Peter On 9 Mar 2013, at 22:39, Rose Kelland wrote: > I wonder if I could ask someone living in Matlock to send me a photo > of the White Peak Farm Butchery on Smedley Street in Matlock?! I > can't find a picture online and would like to put it alongside the > story of the shop which used to be my Grandfather WALTER ASH's shoe > shop. > > Unfortunately I don't have a picture of when it was his shop, just the > empty shop as it was for a number of years after my Uncle RAY ASH left > it. > > Google maps still has the image with the empty shop and clearly shows > the W.ASH & SONS old wooden sign above the door. A few years back > when we took my mother to see the butcher's shop, and we asked what > happened to the sign, I think the gentleman said his wife was keeping > it!!! > > If someone wouldn't mind, perhaps when they next go to buy their > sausages, I'd really appreciate it!!! > > And if anyone knows where I can find a photo of the shoe shop, I'd > really love that! > > Many thanks > > -- > Rose Kelland (nee Street) > www.rosescountryrose.blogspot.com > www.livesandtimesofbella.blogspot.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ann, Thankyou Annette >Hi Annette, >My Savages are Buckinghamshire based - I should clarify that in my tag line. >The GREEN family is Derbyshire and I haven't yet figured out why my great >grandfather went there! Most of my current research is in tracing the >Greens. > >Ann >Researching: GREEN(Derbys & Argentina), HALEK(Argentina), KEETON(Notts & >Derbys), KENNING(Notts & Derbys), KING(Bucks),SAVAGE(Bucks) > >-----Original Message----- >From: derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] >On Behalf Of Annette Watson >Sent: April-15-13 4:24 PM >To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com >Subject: [DBY] SAVAGE in Derbyshire > > > >I notice your interest in SAVAGE in Derbyshire, where in Derbyshire? >I have SAVAGE in Brimington/Chesterfield areas. > >Happy hunting >Annette WATSON >Lismore 2480 >Australia > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Rosemary FreeBMD has a facility for searching for missing spouses by looking at the relevant page numbers for a district and quarter. For Chesterfield Q2 page 1047 there is an oddball number of entries again of 3. In this case one of the names is Margaret WITHAM and looking at the image the 4 is not clear and perhaps could be a 1. Is it possible that Margaret HARDWICK married a WITHAM and David Cockerton is her second husband? Mel Smith Whitby, Ontario, Canada -----Original Message----- From: derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rosemary Probert Sent: April 18, 2013 7:32 AM To: Derbyshire Mailing List Subject: [DBY] Margaret HARDWICK and David COCKERTON Hello List, I'm trying to tie in some loose ends and I'm having difficulty finding a marriage of Margaret HARDWICK born in 1862 in Brimington. I have found a possible Margaret in the 1891 census - aged 27 from Brimington - she's the wife of a David COCKERTON. But I cannot find a marriage of Margaret to David in FreeBMD. There is a marriage in 2Q 1881 of David Elijah COCKERTON, Chesterfield RD 7b 1047 - but there are only 3 entries in the index for this page - could the missing entry be Margaret? I have look at the original index page for Margaret HARDWICK (1881M2-H-0105) for 2Q 1881 - and she is not there. Anyone any ideas? Rosemary Northumberland UK Email: rosemary@rprobert.co.uk Family History: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rprobert/ Banburyshire Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engcbanb/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sue Very thanks for your information - that marriage certainly looks possible and gives me hope that Ann and John were able to arrange some kind of legal annulment of their marriage after all, leaving them both free to remarry legitimately. I shall certainly try to find the marriage bond and see if it gives any more detailed info. When John married again it was also by licence (this puzzled me at the time but now it's quite clear why!) and I'm relieved at the possibility Ann also had a chance to have her own marriage and perhaps a family. The 1834 burial might be Ann's mother, perhaps, but now that I know where to look I shall explore further. Thank you so much for your help - maybe the story has a happier ending than I feared. Best wishes Jill On 17 April 2013 11:38, Sue Brown <suegorickbrown@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > >________________________________ > > > > > >Hello Jill, > > > >There is a marriage at Stretton, 1720 November 3rd, Charles Sibley, clerk > and Anne Gretton 'were then married by licence' > > > >Presumably the marriage bond, if it still exists will be at Lichfield RO > as Stretton was in Derbyshire at that time. > >Trust that helps, > > > >Sue Brown > >http://www.derbysmarriages1538-1837.co.uk/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

TNA have digitised the soldier's discharge document for one Sergeant Thomas Hallum from the parish of Wirksworth born about 1782, who enlisted in the 3rd Regiment of Foot Guards in Birmingham in 1805, discharged 1818. His occupation was recorded as Carpenter. There is a good physical description of him, his signature and service details. He was wounded in the left shoulder at Burgos, suffering rheumatism. He may be a contender for my family - not quite decided about the signature! TNA Ref: WO97 / 175 / 64 His baptism doesn't appear on the Wirksworth parish registers, so far as I can tell. He may well be the son of Joseph Hallam and Jane Twigg born in 1782 at Snelston. I believe they might well have moved to Cromford after Thomas's birth. They appear to have had at least eleven children, not all baptised in Cromford, and it looks as if many of them moved down to Tamworth, Staffs some time after 1800. Nickie

Hi Sue Thanks for the info which is a real help. I wonder, though, if anyone who visits the DRO in Matlock could take a look at this marriage for me and let me know who the witnesses are? I live near Leeds so it is quite a trip to go myself. Best Wishes Christine -----Original Message----- From: derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sue Brown Sent: 17 April 2013 11:42 To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DBY] Marriage Jane Bullock to William Shipley 25 Nov 1828 Hi Christine,   The entry shows them to be bachelor and spinster respectivly and married by banns. Sorry I don't have the witnesses though.   Cheers,   Sue   http://www.derbysmarriages1538-1837.co.uk/     Message: 4 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 20:26:14 +0100 From: "Christine Simpson" <c.a.simpson@btinternet.com> Subject: [DBY] Marriage Jane Bullock to William Shipley 25 Nov 1828     Duffield To: <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000d01ce3ad8$427fc5e0$c77f51a0$@btinternet.com> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii" Hi Sue I wonder if you have any further details of the above marriage which Dawn Scotting has found for me.  I know father's names were not given around this date but witnesses may be a big help or if they were married by licence. The marriage is at Duffield so presumably that would be Duffield church itself and not just in the Duffield area.  Any help would be much appreciated. Regards Christine Simpson ------------------------------ To contact the DERBYSGEN list administrator, send an email to DERBYSGEN-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the DERBYSGEN mailing list, send an email to DERBYSGEN@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of DERBYSGEN Digest, Vol 8, Issue 94 **************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello folks, A family Bible belonging to the JACKSONs of Wirksworth is for sale on Ebay. I was intrigued as I specialise in Wirksworth Parish. How much could I find out about the family from four names with dates given inside. The seller let me use his photos of the Bible. See my webpage of research into the JACKSONs of Wirksworth on www.wirksworth.org.uk/X644.htm Anyone who can add to the details please contact me. Regards John Palmer, Author of Wirksworth website www.wirksworth.org.uk

Hi again,   Just noticed a burial - at Stretton- that might be relevant: Mistress Anne Gretton departed this life the 18th and was buried the 21 Oct 1734   Sue     Message: 3 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 18:48:23 +0100 From: strobridge jill <jill.strobridge@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: [DBY] GRETTON family in Stretton en le Field c.1688-1727 To: DERBYSGEN@rootsweb.com Message-ID:     <CAArp8cp9cvFWwmeHcpf9g4Cs24csqeaBqG40Z=VkEF647vcMqg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello I know this village is in Leicestershire now but I thought I would ask here first because it was in Derbyshire at this period.  I'm looking for a GRETTON family in Stretton en le Field for the period 1688-1727, in particular Ann Gretton, her father Rev. Gretton and there is probably also a sister. The story is as follows:  Ann Gretton and her father the Rev. Gretton went up to London prob. 1707 (?maybe to stay with a son who had a shop there - just a guess) and while there she met up with a young man Mr John Stroubridge, heir to a small estate in Dorset.  They fell in love and on 8th June 1707 (probably on his 19th birthday) married clandestinely in the Fleet Registry in London.    Sadly this story does not have a happy ending.  John's father was furious and there is a small collection of angry letters exchanged between the two families.    He refused to acknowledge the wedding sending his son back to Dorset and persuading Ann's father to take her "into the country" which I assume means back to Derbyshire.  John eventually acceded to his father's wishes,and walked away from their marriage. He bought a commission in the Army where he seems to have stayed until about 1718 and it looks like the two of them did not meet again.  In Oct 1713 Ann raised a legal claim against John claiming her matrimonial rights or at least an alimony payment but I don't know what the result of this was.    John married again in 1727 or 1729 and though a divorce is possible it's more likely that Ann, poor lass, died prior to that date.  I don't think John's 2nd marrige was bigamous - he had a civil service job by that date and it would have been much too great a risk. I would very much like to find out more about Ann if possible and in particular whether she did die in Stretton.  The letters written in 1707 are addressed: "To the Reverd Mr Gretton at Stretton: Le: Field near Ashby de la zouch, Darbyshire - by [the] Loughborrough bag" so I guess he was minister of St Michael's church.    Does anyone know where these church records are or whether they have been transcribed so that I can have a look through them? I'd be grateful for any information! Best wishes Jill Strobridge

Hi Christine,   The entry shows them to be bachelor and spinster respectivly and married by banns. Sorry I don't have the witnesses though.   Cheers,   Sue   http://www.derbysmarriages1538-1837.co.uk/     Message: 4 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 20:26:14 +0100 From: "Christine Simpson" <c.a.simpson@btinternet.com> Subject: [DBY] Marriage Jane Bullock to William Shipley 25 Nov 1828     Duffield To: <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000d01ce3ad8$427fc5e0$c77f51a0$@btinternet.com> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii" Hi Sue I wonder if you have any further details of the above marriage which Dawn Scotting has found for me.  I know father's names were not given around this date but witnesses may be a big help or if they were married by licence. The marriage is at Duffield so presumably that would be Duffield church itself and not just in the Duffield area.  Any help would be much appreciated. Regards Christine Simpson ------------------------------ To contact the DERBYSGEN list administrator, send an email to DERBYSGEN-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the DERBYSGEN mailing list, send an email to DERBYSGEN@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of DERBYSGEN Digest, Vol 8, Issue 94 ****************************************

>________________________________ > >    >Hello Jill, > >There is a marriage at Stretton, 1720 November 3rd, Charles Sibley, clerk and Anne Gretton 'were then married by licence' > >Presumably the marriage bond, if it still exists will be at Lichfield RO as Stretton was in Derbyshire at that time. >Trust that helps, > >Sue Brown >http://www.derbysmarriages1538-1837.co.uk/ > > >Message: 3 >Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 18:48:23 +0100 >From: strobridge jill <jill.strobridge@blueyonder.co.uk> >Subject: [DBY] GRETTON family in Stretton en le Field c.1688-1727 >To: DERBYSGEN@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: >    <CAArp8cp9cvFWwmeHcpf9g4Cs24csqeaBqG40Z=VkEF647vcMqg@mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >Hello > >I know this village is in Leicestershire now but I thought I would ask >here first because it was in Derbyshire at this period.  I'm looking >for a GRETTON family in Stretton en le Field for the period 1688-1727, >in particular Ann Gretton, her father Rev. Gretton and there is >probably also a sister. > >The story is as follows:  Ann Gretton and her father the Rev. Gretton >went up to London prob. 1707 (?maybe to stay with a son who had a shop >there - just a guess) and while there she met up with a young man Mr >John Stroubridge, heir to a small estate in Dorset.  They fell in >love and on 8th June 1707 (probably on his 19th birthday) married >clandestinely in the Fleet Registry in London.    Sadly this story >does not have a happy ending.  John's father was furious and there is >a small collection of angry letters exchanged between the two >families.    He refused to acknowledge the wedding sending his son >back to Dorset and persuading Ann's father to take her "into the >country" which I assume means back to Derbyshire.  John eventually >acceded to his father's wishes,and walked away from their marriage. >He bought a commission in the Army where he seems to have stayed until >about 1718 and it looks like the two of them did not meet again.  In >Oct 1713 Ann raised a legal claim against John claiming her >matrimonial rights or at least an alimony payment but I don't know >what the result of this was.    John married again in 1727 or 1729 and >though a divorce is possible it's more likely that Ann, poor lass, >died prior to that date.  I don't think John's 2nd marrige was >bigamous - he had a civil service job by that date and it would have >been much too great a risk. > >I would very much like to find out more about Ann if possible and in >particular whether she did die in Stretton.  The letters written in >1707 are addressed: "To the Reverd Mr Gretton at Stretton: Le: Field >near Ashby de la zouch, Darbyshire - by [the] Loughborrough bag" so I >guess he was minister of St Michael's church.    Does anyone know >where these church records are or whether they have been transcribed >so that I can have a look through them? > >I'd be grateful for any information! >Best wishes >Jill Strobridge > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 20:26:14 +0100 >From: "Christine Simpson" <c.a.simpson@btinternet.com> >Subject: [DBY] Marriage Jane Bullock to William Shipley 25 Nov 1828 >    Duffield >To: <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <000d01ce3ad8$427fc5e0$c77f51a0$@btinternet.com> >Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii" > >Hi Sue > > > >I wonder if you have any further details of the above marriage which Dawn >Scotting has found for me.  I know father's names were not given around this >date but witnesses may be a big help or if they were married by licence. >The marriage is at Duffield so presumably that would be Duffield church >itself and not just in the Duffield area.  Any help would be much >appreciated. > > > >Regards > >Christine Simpson > > > >------------------------------ > >To contact the DERBYSGEN list administrator, send an email to >DERBYSGEN-admin@rootsweb.com. > >To post a message to the DERBYSGEN mailing list, send an email to DERBYSGEN@rootsweb.com. > >__________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com >with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >email with no additional text. > > >End of DERBYSGEN Digest, Vol 8, Issue 94 >**************************************** > > >

Margery , My last message was bounced so I hope this one is accepted.   Thank you so much for your information about the 1954 Pearsons of Crich. The last of my Pearsons was a William Arthur Pearson. He was born in Chesterfield to James and Elizabeth. His mother died in childbirth. He and my great grandmother Margaret Fisher Pearson were brought up by various members of the Pearson and Arthur families. William was apprenticed to a master butcher, his Uncle Joseph Strafford of Boston Spa, Yorkshire. William returned to Chesterfield where he set up his own business as a butcher. By coincidence my daughter lived near Boston Spa for a while and I found the graves of Joseph and his wife Mary nee Arthur in the grave yard of Boston Spa Church. Kind regards,  Jennifer. ----- Original Message ----- From: Margery Whitham <margery@whitham.name> To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Cc: Sent: Tuesday, 16 April 2013, 16:46 Subject: [DBY] PEARSONS of Crich For Jennifer Nicholas. You may be interested to know that in 1954 there was a P.W. Pearson and an A.R. Pearson living in Crich.    

Hi Sue I wonder if you have any further details of the above marriage which Dawn Scotting has found for me. I know father's names were not given around this date but witnesses may be a big help or if they were married by licence. The marriage is at Duffield so presumably that would be Duffield church itself and not just in the Duffield area. Any help would be much appreciated. Regards Christine Simpson

Hello I know this village is in Leicestershire now but I thought I would ask here first because it was in Derbyshire at this period. I'm looking for a GRETTON family in Stretton en le Field for the period 1688-1727, in particular Ann Gretton, her father Rev. Gretton and there is probably also a sister. The story is as follows: Ann Gretton and her father the Rev. Gretton went up to London prob. 1707 (?maybe to stay with a son who had a shop there - just a guess) and while there she met up with a young man Mr John Stroubridge, heir to a small estate in Dorset. They fell in love and on 8th June 1707 (probably on his 19th birthday) married clandestinely in the Fleet Registry in London. Sadly this story does not have a happy ending. John's father was furious and there is a small collection of angry letters exchanged between the two families. He refused to acknowledge the wedding sending his son back to Dorset and persuading Ann's father to take her "into the country" which I assume means back to Derbyshire. John eventually acceded to his father's wishes,and walked away from their marriage. He bought a commission in the Army where he seems to have stayed until about 1718 and it looks like the two of them did not meet again. In Oct 1713 Ann raised a legal claim against John claiming her matrimonial rights or at least an alimony payment but I don't know what the result of this was. John married again in 1727 or 1729 and though a divorce is possible it's more likely that Ann, poor lass, died prior to that date. I don't think John's 2nd marrige was bigamous - he had a civil service job by that date and it would have been much too great a risk. I would very much like to find out more about Ann if possible and in particular whether she did die in Stretton. The letters written in 1707 are addressed: "To the Reverd Mr Gretton at Stretton: Le: Field near Ashby de la zouch, Darbyshire - by [the] Loughborrough bag" so I guess he was minister of St Michael's church. Does anyone know where these church records are or whether they have been transcribed so that I can have a look through them? I'd be grateful for any information! Best wishes Jill Strobridge

For Jennifer Nicholas. You may be interested to know that in 1954 there was a P.W. Pearson and an A.R. Pearson living in Crich. I know they were great friends of my Aunt Ethel Wright who lived in Whatstandwell. Both these Pearsons were beneficiaries in my Aunt's will each receiving £346.10.9p which was 1/14th share! Kind regards, Margery.

Hi Ann, I notice your interest in SAVAGE in Derbyshire, where in Derbyshire? I have SAVAGE in Brimington/Chesterfield areas. Happy hunting Annette WATSON Lismore 2480 Australia At 10:13 AM 15/04/2013, you wrote: >Hello listers, >Just getting to family research again after a couple of years absence - >great to be back! I wonder if anyone has information on St. Alkmunds's >Hospital in Derby circa 1901 (noted as a Children's Hospital). My great aunt >is shown in the 1901 census as being there age 11 (Derwent ward). I'm >curious as to why she might have been there and I can't find anything about >the hospital. Grateful for any pointers to sources! >Ann >Vancouver, BC Canada >Researching primarily GREEN, HALEK, KEETON, KENNING, KING, KNIGHT, SAVAGE in >Derbyshire, Bucks & Argentina > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Annette, My Savages are Buckinghamshire based - I should clarify that in my tag line. The GREEN family is Derbyshire and I haven't yet figured out why my great grandfather went there! Most of my current research is in tracing the Greens. Ann Researching: GREEN(Derbys & Argentina), HALEK(Argentina), KEETON(Notts & Derbys), KENNING(Notts & Derbys), KING(Bucks),SAVAGE(Bucks) -----Original Message----- From: derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Annette Watson Sent: April-15-13 4:24 PM To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [DBY] SAVAGE in Derbyshire I notice your interest in SAVAGE in Derbyshire, where in Derbyshire? I have SAVAGE in Brimington/Chesterfield areas. Happy hunting Annette WATSON Lismore 2480 Australia