Hi Christine, I have - workingfrom c1816 on upto 1837, Thomas Richardson & Elizabeth first and then some other possiblities: Derby All Saints PH Thos Richardson, stationer, 17 Feb 1818, Eliz Harper Roberts, minor, p St Alkmund, consent of guardian Josh Handford, lic Derby St Peter PR Thos Richardson, b, Littleover, 21 Jun 1831, Eliz Greatorex, wid, otp, lic Elvaston PR Thos Robins Richardson, farmer, otp, 2 Dec 1824, Eliz Ford,s, consent of parents, otp, lic Repton PR Thos Richardson, Breedon on the Hill Lei, b, 27 Feb 1816, Ann Sturgess, s, otp, banns Derby St Alkmund BT Thos Richardson, otp, 13 Apr 1818, Christian Jolliffe, otp, banns Ticknall PR Thos Richardson, otp, 10 Oct 1820, Hannah Warren, otp, lic Barlbrough PR Thos Richardson, b, Clown, 21 May 1821, Sarah Lenthall, s, otp, banns Derby St Michael PR Thos Richardson, b, maltster, 21+, otp, 21 Jul 1822, Dorothy Fox, s, 21+, Mackworth, banns Heanor PH Thos Richardson, 6 Sep 1824, Eve Pollard Duffield BT Thos Richardson, b, otp, 23 Jan 1828, Cath Newton, wid, otp, lic Derby All Saints PH Thos Richardson, shoemaker, 13 Apr 1830, Ann Wootton, p St Peter Derby St Peter PR Thos Richardson, b, otp, 25 Dec 1831, Bridget Hudson, s, otp, banns Duffield PR Thos Richardson, b, otp, 7 Mar 1832, Sarah Malin, s, p Wirksworth, banns Duffield PR Thos Richardson, b, otp, 3 Aug 1834, Hannah Smithurst, s, otp, banns Hope some of this helps, they may well have married after 1 July 1837. Suehttp://www.derbysmarriages1538-1837.co.uk/ >________________________________ > From: "derbysgen-request@rootsweb.com" <derbysgen-request@rootsweb.com> >To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com >Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2013, 8:00 >Subject: DERBYSGEN Digest, Vol 8, Issue 101 > > > > >When replying always change the subject line to that of the individual message which you are responding to.      > >Please "SNIP" generously, don't repeat everything again.  Including everything will inflate the size of the next Digest unnecessarily and could create problems for those who are not on broadband. > > >Today's Topics: > >  1.  Marriage of Thomas Richardson (Christine Simpson) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 21:15:50 +0100 >From: "Christine Simpson" <c.a.simpson@btinternet.com> >Subject: [DBY] Marriage of Thomas Richardson >To: <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <000301ce405f$59b8b0f0$0d2a12d0$@btinternet.com> >Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii" > >Hi Sue > > > >I'm looking for the marriage of a Thomas Richardson, possibly to an >Elizabeth.  He was born around 1800 to 1810 in Boylestone, Derbyshire and >I've found him on the 1851 and 1861 census living with his wife Elizabeth in >Shottle and Postern district.  Can't seem to locate them on the 1841 Census. >It states on the census that Elizabeth was born in Risley, Derbyshire. > > > >Wonder if you might be able to find a marriage for me.  Many thanks. > > > >Best Wishes > >Christine > > > >------------------------------ > >To contact the DERBYSGEN list administrator, send an email to >DERBYSGEN-admin@rootsweb.com. > >To post a message to the DERBYSGEN mailing list, send an email to DERBYSGEN@rootsweb.com. > >__________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com >with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >email with no additional text. > > >End of DERBYSGEN Digest, Vol 8, Issue 101 >***************************************** > > >

Hi Christine, I have - workingfrom c1816 on upto 1837, Thomas Richardson & Elizabeth first and then some other possiblities: Derby All Saints PH Thos Richardson, stationer, 17 Feb 1818, Eliz Harper Roberts, minor, p St Alkmund, consent of guardian Josh Handford, lic Derby St Peter PR Thos Richardson, b, Littleover, 21 Jun 1831, Eliz Greatorex, wid, otp, lic Elvaston PR Thos Robins Richardson, farmer, otp, 2 Dec 1824, Eliz Ford,s, consent of parents, otp, lic Repton PR Thos Richardson, Breedon on the Hill Lei, b, 27 Feb 1816, Ann Sturgess, s, otp, banns Derby St Alkmund BT Thos Richardson, otp, 13 Apr 1818, Christian Jolliffe, otp, banns Ticknall PR Thos Richardson, otp, 10 Oct 1820, Hannah Warren, otp, lic Barlbrough PR Thos Richardson, b, Clown, 21 May 1821, Sarah Lenthall, s, otp, banns Derby St Michael PR Thos Richardson, b, maltster, 21+, otp, 21 Jul 1822, Dorothy Fox, s, 21+, Mackworth, banns Heanor PH Thos Richardson, 6 Sep 1824, Eve Pollard Duffield BT Thos Richardson, b, otp, 23 Jan 1828, Cath Newton, wid, otp, lic Derby All Saints PH Thos Richardson, shoemaker, 13 Apr 1830, Ann Wootton, p St Peter Derby St Peter PR Thos Richardson, b, otp, 25 Dec 1831, Bridget Hudson, s, otp, banns Duffield PR Thos Richardson, b, otp, 7 Mar 1832, Sarah Malin, s, p Wirksworth, banns Duffield PR Thos Richardson, b, otp, 3 Aug 1834, Hannah Smithurst, s, otp, banns Hope some of this helps, they may well have married after 1 July 1837. Suehttp://www.derbysmarriages1538-1837.co.uk/ >________________________________ >   >Message: 1 >Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 21:15:50 +0100 >From: "Christine Simpson" <c.a.simpson@btinternet.com> >Subject: [DBY] Marriage of Thomas Richardson >To: <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <000301ce405f$59b8b0f0$0d2a12d0$@btinternet.com> >Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii" > >Hi Sue > > > >I'm looking for the marriage of a Thomas Richardson, possibly to an >Elizabeth.  He was born around 1800 to 1810 in Boylestone, Derbyshire and >I've found him on the 1851 and 1861 census living with his wife Elizabeth in >Shottle and Postern district.  Can't seem to locate them on the 1841 Census. >It states on the census that Elizabeth was born in Risley, Derbyshire. > > > >Wonder if you might be able to find a marriage for me.  Many thanks. > > > >Best Wishes > >Christine > > > >------------------------------ > >To contact the DERBYSGEN list administrator, send an email to >DERBYSGEN-admin@rootsweb.com. > >To post a message to the DERBYSGEN mailing list, send an email to DERBYSGEN@rootsweb.com. > >__________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com >with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >email with no additional text. > > >End of DERBYSGEN Digest, Vol 8, Issue 101 >***************************************** > > >

Hi Sue I'm looking for the marriage of a Thomas Richardson, possibly to an Elizabeth. He was born around 1800 to 1810 in Boylestone, Derbyshire and I've found him on the 1851 and 1861 census living with his wife Elizabeth in Shottle and Postern district. Can't seem to locate them on the 1841 Census. It states on the census that Elizabeth was born in Risley, Derbyshire. Wonder if you might be able to find a marriage for me. Many thanks. Best Wishes Christine

Hi Rosemary, I have a Margaret WITHAM b. Brimington, c1865, daughter of William WITHAM ( Skegby, Notts) & Julia TURTON (Brimington, Derbyshire). Margaret married David Elijah COCKERTON (b. c. 1858, Weston Colville, Cambs.) in 1881 in Brimington. Their second child Alice Maud, (b. 11th Oct. 1885, Brimington; d. 25th Dec. 1926, Chesterfield) married Philip BUXTON, 23rd DEc. 1905. This information was given to me by their grandson, my third cousin (now dec.). I know I have all the appropriate confirming documentation, I just don't know where at the moment. I'll have a search, but...........don't hold your breath:-) Regards, Mike, OZ. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosemary Probert" <rosemary@rprobert.co.uk> To: "Derbyshire Mailing List" <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 9:32 PM Subject: [DBY] Margaret HARDWICK and David COCKERTON Hello List, I'm trying to tie in some loose ends and I'm having difficulty finding a marriage of Margaret HARDWICK born in 1862 in Brimington. I have found a possible Margaret in the 1891 census - aged 27 from Brimington – she's the wife of a David COCKERTON. But I cannot find a marriage of Margaret to David in FreeBMD. There is a marriage in 2Q 1881 of David Elijah COCKERTON, Chesterfield RD 7b 1047 - but there are only 3 entries in the index for this page - could the missing entry be Margaret? I have look at the original index page for Margaret HARDWICK (1881M2-H-0105) for 2Q 1881 - and she is not there. Anyone any ideas? Rosemary Northumberland UK Email: rosemary@rprobert.co.uk Family History: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rprobert/ Banburyshire Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engcbanb/

Looking for connections to Kenneth or Marjorie WILDBORE, children of Ernest and Gertrude nee MENZIES regards Dot -- Dot Holden nee MENZIES Dover Kent UK There are three things that can never be retrieved, the spoken word, time past and the neglected opportunity

On 21/04/2013 08:00, derbysgen-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > 1. Brickwall Demolition F and G (Charani) > 2. Re: Brickwall Demolition F and G (stuart hodkin) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 00:01:00 +0100 > From: Charani <charani.b@gmail.com> > Subject: [DBY] Brickwall Demolition F and G > To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <51731E2C.9080502@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Apologies for not posting for any surnames beginning with F last: > family bereavement. > > All my Fs and Gs are either over the county boundary or post WWI. > > Anyone with any puzzles, fences or walls that need fresh eyes? > Yes, please. Mary Frost married William Ball 30 jan 1813 Duffield and they had 3 children, James, Ann and William. William was born in 1817 2 months after his father's death. Mary remained alone, but had an illegitimate son, George, in 1831. She died 9 jan 1844 in Milford aged 54 from cancer of the womb. Apart from the name William, I think all other names are from Mary's family. I have looked at Frost families with James or George but got nowhere. The witness at her wedding was William's sister, Elizabeth Ball. Thanks for reading this, Marie

Afternoon all Just to say I have updated BMD for names starting with H on www.crichparish.co.uk Now, I may have posted this some time ago but I have a real frustration with a name on the WWI Crich Roll of Honour Private Charles Chambers was killed/died during WWI I have details of all men who lost their lives except for Charles Chambers He is on the Roll of Honour, stone memorials and mentioned on the Dedication Programme which I have just received (thanks to David Smith) I cannot find a candidate in the 1911 census nor in the CWGC, nor in the Ancestry list of casualties Any ideas, knowledge welcomed I really would hate there to be one solitary blank in the final memorial Off to mow a meadow, sadly no dog any more! Peter

Hi Mike, Thank you for your message, but my interest was in Margaret HARDWICK who I speculated married David Elijah COCKERTON as there was a name missing from the FreeBMD index in the 2Q 1881 and in the later census Margaret [who turned out to be a WITHAM] came from Brimington, as did my Margaret HARDWICK. So what happened to Margaret HARDWICK is still open to question. Hope this makes sense! Rosemary Northumberland UK Email: rosemary@rprobert.co.uk Family History: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rprobert/ Banburyshire Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engcbanb/ On 21/04/2013 12:20, Mike Buxton wrote: > Hi Rosemary, > I have a Margaret WITHAM b. Brimington, c1865, daughter of William > WITHAM ( Skegby, Notts) & Julia TURTON (Brimington, Derbyshire). Margaret married > David Elijah COCKERTON (b. c. 1858, Weston Colville, Cambs.) in 1881 in Brimington. > Their second child Alice Maud, (b. 11th Oct. 1885, Brimington; d. 25th Dec. 1926, > Chesterfield) married Philip BUXTON, 23rd DEc. 1905. This information was given to me > by their grandson, my third cousin (now dec.). I know I have all the appropriate > confirming documentation, I just don't know where at the moment. I'll have a search, > but...........don't hold your breath:-) > Regards, > Mike, OZ.

Would just like to take this opportunity to say..... Thank You to Jim Cutts who sorted my 'C' query, what a good initiative this is, well done. > Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 00:01:00 +0100 > From: charani.b@gmail.com > To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DBY] Brickwall Demolition F and G > > Apologies for not posting for any surnames beginning with F last: > family bereavement. > > All my Fs and Gs are either over the county boundary or post WWI. > > Anyone with any puzzles, fences or walls that need fresh eyes? > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, > Greinton and Clutton, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Apologies for not posting for any surnames beginning with F last: family bereavement. All my Fs and Gs are either over the county boundary or post WWI. Anyone with any puzzles, fences or walls that need fresh eyes? -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Hi Jennifer A short time ago, I posted this message which does not appear to have appeared. "Respectfuly suggest your first newspaper to check is the Derbyshire Tines a local weekly newspaper that had editions in Chesterfield and Derby. I forget by ut in 1906 it may have had a slightly longer title. I'm not sure if it has been transcribed after around 1902 ish but Most certainly the Chesterfield Local Studies are excellent people for helping people in such matters, especially "out of towners". I did have a quick look for you with a subscription I have but could not see after 1902, but it was a hurried search". Since that time I have had another search without success. The D.T was named the Derbyshire Times and Chesterfield Herald - appears to bu transcribed up to 1902. Another newspaper was the Derby Daily Telegraph - for some reason - it has to be my searching - it does not show anything for 1905 - it goes 1904 and then 1906, but as I wrote, it has more to do with me searching than the newspaper - I am reasonably certain there will be an Albert Taylor mentioned even if it has no connection with your story. Regards Jack

Evening all Just to say I am delighted with new records on www.crichparish.co.uk Thanks to an extremely generous gesture from Sue Brown I have the Crich marriages both within Crich Parish and those Crichites who wed elsewhere in Derbyshire. She has given permission for me to have these transcriptions on my site :-) I have already found a couple of marriage dates for my own family tree I feel sure that this will prove helpful for those with Crich links. Thanks again Sue Peter

On 18/04/2013 16:16, Chris Andrew wrote:> Sorry about the spelling of David's surname. It should read COCKERTON. I guessed as much :-) > It doesn't look like Margaret was a widow at the time of the marriage. She > was born in 1865 so would have been 16. Margaret HARDWICK was born in 1862, so not much older and unlikely to be a widow. But her name is not uncommon. Luckily for me, she's not a direct ancestor, but it would be good to pin her down. Thank you for your help, Rosemary On 18/04/2013 16:16, Chris Andrew wrote: > Sorry about the spelling of David's surname. It should read COCKERTON. > > It doesn't look like Margaret was a widow at the time of the marriage. She > was born in 1865 so would have been 16.

Hi Jennifer Respectfuly suggest your first newspaper to check is the Derbyshire Tines a local weekly newspaper that had editions in Chesterfield and Derby. I forget by ut in 1906 it may have had a slightly longer title. I'm not sure if it has been transcribed after around 1902 ish but Most certainly the Chesterfield Local Studies are excellent people for helping people in such matters, especially "out of towners". I did have a quick look for you with a subscription I have but could not see after 1902, but it was a hurried search. Regards Jack

    I have two lovely poetry books that once belonged to my grandfather, Albert Taylor of Pilsley nr Clay Cross. Albert was from Royton Lancashire and had worked for a stationer in Southport and a newsagent in Leicester and I have always been curious as to why he ended up living near my Grandma's parents in Pilsley and working down the pit. I knew he died young and I thought he died of diphtheria. I now have a copy of a coroner's certificate showing that he actually drowned in Hardwick Park in 1905. The Registration is Mansfield Sub - district of Pleasley.  It seems likely that there may have been a report of the tragedy in a local newspaper. I think my first port of call must be Chesterfield Local Studies but I wondered whether there was anyone on the derbysgen list who might have some advice as to which newspapers to search first.    Jennifer Nicholas.

Thank you Chris :-) Rosemary Northumberland UK On 18/04/2013 16:07, Chris Andrew wrote: > The Derbyshire Registrars Marriage Index has the following: > > 1881 > Margaret WITHAM > David Elijah CROCKERTON > Dronfield, St John the Baptist

Mel, Thank you for taking the time to write such a detailed response. I don't know why, but I've never followed those links (maybe assuming I knew it already - never assume!). I've just been looking at the entries for district 7b and I'm surprised at how many odd numbers there are. I agree absolutely with the work the volunteers are doing with FreeBMD - it's absolutely invaluable. I do remember the days when you had to search the "St. Catherine's House Indexes" quarter by quarter on microfilm. (In the county library 60 miles away.) I wanted to find a marriage between Joseph PROBERT and Elizabeth HARDWICK (or possibly HOLDSWORTH) probably in Derbyshire as Elizabeth came from Common Newbold. I have a bible with the dates of births of all of their 13 children recorded in it from Aug 1871 to 1896 - roughly one child every 2 years. So I thought the marriage was likely to have taken place not long before Aug 1871. I made list after list of all the PROBERT/S, HARDWICK/E/S, HO(U)LDSWORTH but couldn't find a match. I then moved on to ROBERT/S, ARDWICK, OLDSWORTH, PROBART/S, PROBAT/T, PROBATE etc etc etc. It took me months and I never found it. But when FreeBMD came along one quick phonetic search found Joseph PROVERBS and Elizabeth HARDICK in 1Q 1871. And the certificate showed these names quite clearly. The fathers and witnesses all matched family members. All had made their marks - none signed. As for Margaret HARDWICK, I don't think she married David COCKERTON! Kind regards, Rosemary Northumberland UK Email: rosemary@rprobert.co.uk Family History: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rprobert/ Banburyshire Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engcbanb/ On 18/04/2013 15:36, Mel Smith wrote: > Rosemary > > When you carry out a person search and then look at the resulting page (in > this case 1047) you get the three names. > > Several lines below the list of names FreeBMD asks "have you found the > person you are looking for or is a spouse missing". It then directs you to a > link (something like can be found here)and if you follow these links and > read the instructions you can do several searches to try and find missing > persons or errors. One of them permits you to search individual pages in a > given volume. > > In that search routine I input Chesterfield, 2nd qtr and 1881 and it gave a > list of pages and the number of names on each page. In this case I saw page > 1017 also had three people and when I looked at that page spotted a Margaret > WITHAM and then looked at that image and saw the potential for > mis-transcription due to the badly imaged 1 or 4.. > > By the way I since looked for a Margaret HARDWICK marriage to a WITHAM prior > to 1881 without success. > > I think if one name in a marriage is there then the other must be somewhere > in the index as the record did reach the GRO to be indexed. If neither name > is there then there is a possibility that the marriage record never made it > to the GRO to be indexed and you then need the local RO index or other > methods to find marriages. If you happen to have read the books about the > GRO Indexes and all the errors in them (I think the title is something like > "A Comedy of Errors) If I recall the author postulates a potential of 10% > errors in the indexes. I feel lucky that I haven't yet found an error in my > list of ancestors. And that's not quite true. I can't find my grandmother in > either the GRO or local RO indexes and I can only surmise her mother never > registered the illegitimate birth. Lots of transcription errors in FreeBMD > though because of the poor quality of some original pages and the errors > made by the original clerks transcribing the local info into the GRO index. > That's not the fault of FreeBMD or the volunteer transcribers. They are > doing a fantastic job > > Mel Smith

Hi Mel, Thank you. Possibly a silly question, but how did you get to Margaret WITHAM? By putting into the search fields volume 7b and page 1047, I only get 3 names - no Margaret. Searching for page 1017 there are also three names, so Margaret WITHAM's entry could be 1047. That would balance the numbers neatly and leave a possible marriage between David COCKERTON and Margaret WITHAM - who may or may not have been Margaret HARDWICK! Rosemary Northumberland UK Email: rosemary@rprobert.co.uk Family History: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rprobert/ Banburyshire Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engcbanb/ On 18/04/2013 13:34, Mel Smith wrote: > Hi Rosemary > > FreeBMD has a facility for searching for missing spouses by looking at the > relevant page numbers for a district and quarter. > > For Chesterfield Q2 page 1047 there is an oddball number of entries again of > 3. In this case one of the names is Margaret WITHAM and looking at the image > the 4 is not clear and perhaps could be a 1. > Is it possible that Margaret HARDWICK married a WITHAM and David Cockerton > is her second husband? > > Mel Smith > Whitby, Ontario, Canada > > -----Original Message----- > From: derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Rosemary Probert > Sent: April 18, 2013 7:32 AM > To: Derbyshire Mailing List > Subject: [DBY] Margaret HARDWICK and David COCKERTON > > Hello List, > > I'm trying to tie in some loose ends and I'm having difficulty finding a > marriage of Margaret HARDWICK born in 1862 in Brimington. > > I have found a possible Margaret in the 1891 census - aged 27 from > Brimington - she's the wife of a David COCKERTON. But I cannot find a > marriage of Margaret to David in FreeBMD. > > There is a marriage in 2Q 1881 of David Elijah COCKERTON, Chesterfield RD 7b > 1047 - but there are only 3 entries in the index for this page - could the > missing entry be Margaret? > > I have look at the original index page for Margaret HARDWICK > (1881M2-H-0105) for 2Q 1881 - and she is not there. > > Anyone any ideas?

I'd just like to thank Rose and Peter for a very engaging exchange,  particularly the WASH anecdote. Kind regards Joy Rose wrote:- > Thank you for that photo! Hope the dentist trip wasn't too bad! I > have very vague memories of this particular shop, but my memories are > mainly of the shop further along Smedley Street. It was more or less > opposite the footpath coming down from Wellington Street, my route to > Matlock County Junior School! I could never understand why my Grandad > put the word WASH on his shoe shop window! This was when I was about 7 > or 8 years old! (Of course it was W. ASH for Walter Ash!)

Hello List, I'm trying to tie in some loose ends and I'm having difficulty finding a marriage of Margaret HARDWICK born in 1862 in Brimington. I have found a possible Margaret in the 1891 census - aged 27 from Brimington – she's the wife of a David COCKERTON. But I cannot find a marriage of Margaret to David in FreeBMD. There is a marriage in 2Q 1881 of David Elijah COCKERTON, Chesterfield RD 7b 1047 - but there are only 3 entries in the index for this page - could the missing entry be Margaret? I have look at the original index page for Margaret HARDWICK (1881M2-H-0105) for 2Q 1881 - and she is not there. Anyone any ideas? Rosemary Northumberland UK Email: rosemary@rprobert.co.uk Family History: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rprobert/ Banburyshire Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engcbanb/