Hi Karen, have you tried Wills, from Lichfield Record Office, or Notts Archives? You can search Lichfield Wills Index 1650-1750 online: http://www.staffsnameindexes.org.uk/StartPage.aspx?Mode=Details&Index=C. I just tried searching for ENGLAND there and found quite a few in Ilkeston, Alfreton, Heanor etc. For Notts Wills, you can search the online catalogue of Notts Archives, or contact them to ask for a search of their card indexes. I just tried the online catalogue, searching for ENGLAND and dates 1700-1750, and found several Wills listed. http://nawcat.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe Cheers, Celia Renshaw in Chesterfield UK On 9 May 2013 08:51, Karen <kaehansen28@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi a ll - > > I am well and truly stuck on John England father of William born 9th > January 1717 in Alfreton - William then later married Sarah Bugg in 1740 - > details of which I have > > I have found a JOHN ENGLAND p. lowdown in Notts married in 1716 - problem > is I don't know if this is the right England as no other particulars was > recorded on William's baptism - it just John - Derby has ruled out that > there was no other children baptised by John in Alfreton > > I don't know who John England is I don't know if he is from Notts or > another part of Derby - but I am desperate to find out who he married and > if he had another children as I am well and truly stuck - > > So anyone who can help I would well and truly appreciate it > > Cheers Karen > Queensland > Australia > >

Karen, The Parish register of St Mary's Church, Ilkeston shows that Thomas Cocker and Ellena/Elenor England were married there on June 3rd 1616. Their son John was buried there on Jul 13th 1617 (no baptism) Son George was baptised Jul 26th 1618. Alice was baptised Jan 17th 1620/21. Ann was baptised Mar 21st 1623/24 Ellena was buried on Dec 14th 1664. A Thomas Cocker was buried Jan 5th 1666/67. Best wishes, Dave Johnson. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen" <kaehansen28@gmail.com> To: <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 6:21 AM Subject: [DBY] children of - > Thomas Cocker and Ellena England married 11 Oct 1614 in Ilkeston - if > possible I would like the names of their children please > > many thanks Karen > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Celia- I have now joined the email updates but if you see any Osbistons (however spelt) in D2375 whilst looking for others, please let me know and I'll come over to check. Thanks as always-I find your webpages very interesting, barbara ________________________________ From: Celia Renshaw <celiarenshaw@gmail.com> To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 7 May 2013, 17:28 Subject: [DBY] A large and virtually secret gem in DRO's holdings All of us, I guess, want to think that when we discover the online catalogue for any archives in the country, that it is "comprehensive".  How far from true this can be came home to me forcibly recently when on a visit to DRO in Matlock I discovered D2375 for the first time - this is the huge Harpur-Crewe archive collection, the catalogue for which is not included at all in DRO's online catalogue or A2A.  Second only to the Chatsworth Devonshires, the family owned great tracts of land in Derbys, Staffs and Leics, and elsewhere.  A first look at a few bundles from the collection showed me how many of my names of interest were lurking there.  So I decided to write a blog article about the situation, which you can find here if you're interested: www.morgansite.wordpress.com. Celia Renshaw in Chesterfield UK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Karen, You can order a film for Ilkeston from www.familysearch.org - you need to go into the 'Catalog' and type in Ilkeston into Place Name, this will then show you all filmed records for Ilkeston, if you scroll down to Church Records (14) and then check this you will see what is available for your time period - I have copied details of a Parish Register Film for you - Film Notes Note Location Film/DGS "General registers" containing: Baptisms, marriages and burials 1588-1669 ("Defective 1670-1679" with only parts of 1676/7 and 1678/9.) Baptisms, marriages and burials 1680-1750 Baptisms and burials only 1750-1785 Family History Library BRITISH Film <https://familysearch.org/films/lookup/product/view/?id=1&film=1752153>1752153 Items 10 - 14 You need to set up an account with familysearch - you can pay by credit card or PayPal. In Australia we pay $7.75 for each film. I have been using the LDS films for 27 years, it is amazing what is available. If a family stayed in one place for many years you can find a few generations of families. When a film has been ordered it is sent to your local LDS Family History Centre for you to view, you have about a month to check the film, photocopies are available of any records you need. After you have finished with the film it is then sent back to Salt Lake City. I hope this is of help, viewing films of the original registers is quite wonderful and after Wills they are the Primary Records. It is great to find records on the net but the originals do need to be checked. Happy hunting Annette WATSON Lismore Australia At 01:47 AM 8/05/2013, you wrote: >Hi All >Karen asked "Thomas Cocker and Ellena England married 11 Oct 1614 in >Ilkeston - if >possible I would like the names of their children please" > >Your reference at the Derbyshire County Record Office at Matlock may be as >follows: > MATLOCK R.O. REF. D.3082. A.P.1. 1/1. >Large size register, fair / poor condition. I have viewed the register >direct. >BAPTISM'S, MARRIAGES and BURIALS 1588 to 1695/6 incl. > >I cannot help you re COCKER pre 1700, but I can tell you the register for >the period you are seeking, the entries are in Latin, albeit reasonably easy >to follow with patience. Nowadays you will most likely not be able to view >the registers direct, but I'm sure the staff at Matlock will as always prove >helpful. >I did note a COCKER child burial in June 1707. > >My research re Ilkeston St. Marys pre 1700 is solely on my RICHARDS research >and there does not appear to be any connection with your COCKER research. > >Regards > >Jack Richards > > > > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As part of my husband's research into his great uncles who settled in South Africa, we have discovered an EMMA BRAILSFORD of Derby who married into his Bradshaw family. >From her age at death Emma appears to be the one born June Qtr 1865, Derby RD, who is then on the 1871 Census, in St Alkmund Parish, with parents JAMES & PHOEBE BRAILSFORD. If anyone on the list has an interest in this family, then we would be pleased to share information with them. Prunella Bradshaw.

All of us, I guess, want to think that when we discover the online catalogue for any archives in the country, that it is "comprehensive". How far from true this can be came home to me forcibly recently when on a visit to DRO in Matlock I discovered D2375 for the first time - this is the huge Harpur-Crewe archive collection, the catalogue for which is not included at all in DRO's online catalogue or A2A. Second only to the Chatsworth Devonshires, the family owned great tracts of land in Derbys, Staffs and Leics, and elsewhere. A first look at a few bundles from the collection showed me how many of my names of interest were lurking there. So I decided to write a blog article about the situation, which you can find here if you're interested: www.morgansite.wordpress.com. Celia Renshaw in Chesterfield UK

Hi All Karen asked "Thomas Cocker and Ellena England married 11 Oct 1614 in Ilkeston - if possible I would like the names of their children please" Your reference at the Derbyshire County Record Office at Matlock may be as follows: MATLOCK R.O. REF. D.3082. A.P.1. 1/1. Large size register, fair / poor condition. I have viewed the register direct. BAPTISM'S, MARRIAGES and BURIALS 1588 to 1695/6 incl. I cannot help you re COCKER pre 1700, but I can tell you the register for the period you are seeking, the entries are in Latin, albeit reasonably easy to follow with patience. Nowadays you will most likely not be able to view the registers direct, but I'm sure the staff at Matlock will as always prove helpful. I did note a COCKER child burial in June 1707. My research re Ilkeston St. Marys pre 1700 is solely on my RICHARDS research and there does not appear to be any connection with your COCKER research. Regards Jack Richards

Peter, Thanks for all the MARTINS! Prunella ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Patilla To: Derbysgen Derbyshire Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 7:01 PM Subject: [DBY] Crich BMD for letter M Evening all I have updated www.crichparish.co.uk records for BMD starting with M Trying to stay ahead of the "stonewall" letter! Peter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thomas Cocker and Ellena England married 11 Oct 1614 in Ilkeston - if possible I would like the names of their children please many thanks Karen

The spelling of Cislea could be different I have a marriage for Walter Jalland and Cislea England dated the 19th Jan 1610 in Ilkeston - I am looking for their children please many thanks karen

Hi Al Perhaps a bit late for H? I’m looking for Mary HAIMES born 1781 in Newhall or Swadlincote (different places of birth on 1851 & 1861) Census. Only baptism that might be her is on Stapenhill baptisms on the web but in 1785 with surname AIMES. Mary married my 4g grandfather William WALTON in 1808 in Church Gresley. Regards Geraldine Bancroft Researching in Derbys: EVANS, GOODMAN, HARRISON, LEEDHAM, STATHAM, WALTON, WILTON, YEOMANS

Evening all I have updated www.crichparish.co.uk records for BMD starting with M Trying to stay ahead of the "stonewall" letter! Peter

Aimes sounds 'ighly likely to me, knowing 'ow they can drop their aitches round 'ere. Alison -----Original Message----- From: Geraldine Bancroft <f-history@pipersrise.plus.com> To: derbysgen <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, 6 May 2013 19:46 Subject: [DBY] Brickwall -HAIMES Hi AlPerhaps a bit late for H?I’m looking for Mary HAIMES born 1781 in Newhall or Swadlincote (different places of birth on 1851 & 1861) Census. Only baptism that might be her is on Stapenhill baptisms on the web but in 1785 with surname AIMES.Mary married my 4g grandfather William WALTON in 1808 in Church Gresley. RegardsGeraldine BancroftResearching in Derbys: EVANS, GOODMAN, HARRISON, LEEDHAM, STATHAM, WALTON, WILTON, YEOMANS-------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Charani, I have this family in my database. In fact, if you have LUNNs or PARKERs from South Derbyshire, then we are almost certainly connected somewhere. Daniel LUNN was bapt. 25 May 1845 at St John, Newhall, son of William LUNN (1817-1848) and Sarah DENT (1820-). Lucy PARKER was bapt. 19 Nov 1843 at Ashby-de-la-Zouch, daughter of John PARKER (c1802-) and Catherine CHEATLE (1804-1867). I have details of several generations of ancestors of both Daniel and Lucy, as well as their children. Regards, Brett Payne Tauranga, New Zealand On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Charani <charani.b@gmail.com> wrote: > No eligible families beginning with K but there is on L - for LUNN. > Not the parents though because the father, Daniel, was from > Staffordshire and the mother, Lucy (nee PARKER), from Leicestershire. > The children, however, were all born in Newhall, Derbyshire before > at least one of them wandered off to Yorkshire. > > The children were George (b 1865), Minnie (b1867), William (b1868), > Henry (b1870), Adeline (b1872), the gloriously named Eglantine Maud > (b1874), Bertha Ann (1876), > Levi (b1877), Beatrice Elizabeth (b1880) and the wonderfully named > Marlborough (1882-1917) who went to Yorkshire. > > I don't know any more about these children simply because I haven't > got to them yet. The brickwall being a lack of time. > > Anyone with a real brickwall that could do with some help demolishing? > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, > Greinton and Clutton, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

If you cant find one to buy your local library might be able to obtain a copy from the British Library on loan, I suppose. Peter -----Original Message----- From: June Faulkes Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 4:54 PM To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [DBY] Ashover books by C E Lugard Does anyone know where I can purchase "The Inns and Outs of Ashover" and "The Saints and sinners of Ashover" written by C.E. Lugard. Have tried Amazon and Ebay with no luck. Many thanks. June. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Have you tried Scarthin Books at Cromford? Pete -----Original Message----- From: June Faulkes Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 4:54 PM To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [DBY] Ashover books by C E Lugard Does anyone know where I can purchase "The Inns and Outs of Ashover" and "The Saints and sinners of Ashover" written by C.E. Lugard. Have tried Amazon and Ebay with no luck. Many thanks. June. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Peter  abebooks.co.uk have a copy of the Saints and Sinners of Ashover - quite expensive tho at £30 Sue ________________________________ From: Peter Lee <gwil_lee@msn.com> To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 5 May 2013, 22:04 Subject: Re: [DBY] Ashover books by C E Lugard Have you tried Scarthin Books at Cromford? Pete -----Original Message----- From: June Faulkes Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 4:54 PM To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [DBY] Ashover books by C E Lugard Does anyone know where I can purchase "The Inns and Outs of Ashover" and "The Saints and sinners of Ashover" written by C.E. Lugard. Have tried Amazon and Ebay with no luck. Many thanks. June. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My longstanding (20 years) brickwall in the ancestry of a James LOMAS... What I know 1841 census, Shaw Stile Fernilee, '55' years, farmer, b Derbyshire 1851 census, Shaw Stile Fernilee, head, 66 years, farmer of 140 acres, b Combs He married Hannah HIBBERT, 30 May 1809 at Hope St Peter -'of Hope Parish, bachelor, with a witness John LOMAS' (Note -John LOMAS m Betty HIBBERT 8 Nov 1803 at Hope St Peter) From Taxal St James burial register: 'buried 27 Dec 1855 James LOMAS of Fernilee aged 72' but from the headstone 'James LOMAS of Shawstile, died 27 Dec 1855, 73' If born Combs, should have been christened at Chapel-en-le-Frith. There are the following christenings      6 Aug 1780 James son of John LOMAS of Hollins Combs (but was buried 4 Dec 1780)     20 Aug 1780 James son of John LOMAS of Cockyard (buried 2 Dec 1780)     20 Jan1781 James son of William LOMAS of  Bridgefield (this James married Elizabeth Beard and farmed at Tunstead Milton)     25 Dec 1783 James son of John LOMAS of Diglake (buried 23 May 1784) I have checked both the Parish Register and Bishops Transcript and there is no sign of additional christenings. I've not found any wills for the family.

Hi Charani If you look on the following site www.southderbyshirebdm.co.uk there are transcriptions of the Parish Registers of St John's Newhall, where I have found 12 children of Daniel & Lucy baptised. In addition to your names, there are Agnes 1879 and Luther Howard 1883. In the burials are those for Agnes 8 months and Luther Howard 5 years. Also a Lucy - aged 42 in 1885. There are also details of marriages of the three daughters - Beatrice, Bertha, & Eglintine. Daniel was an ironmonger. Also Levi's wedding (now living in Ilkeston) to Lizzie Attwood. This rang a bell and looking on my tree, Levi is there as Elizabeth Attwood was the daughter of Elizabeth Walton, sister of my ancestor William Walton. There is a baptism for a Daniel Lunn in 1845 in Newhall, is this a possiblility? Parents William & Sarah. Newhall is very close to the Staffordshire border. I have found this site very useful as it covers Church Gresley, Linton, Swadlincote as well as Woodville & Overseal which are/were Leicestershire. Hope this helps. Regards Geraldine Bancroft Researching in Derbys: EVANS, GOODMAN, HARRISON, LEEDHAM, STATHAM, WALTON, WILTON, YEOMANS -----Original Message----- From: Charani Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 10:16 AM To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [DBY] Brickwall Demolition - K and L No eligible families beginning with K but there is on L - for LUNN. Not the parents though because the father, Daniel, was from Staffordshire and the mother, Lucy (nee PARKER), from Leicestershire. The children, however, were all born in Newhall, Derbyshire before at least one of them wandered off to Yorkshire. The children were George (b 1865), Minnie (b1867), William (b1868), Henry (b1870), Adeline (b1872), the gloriously named Eglantine Maud (b1874), Bertha Ann (1876), Levi (b1877), Beatrice Elizabeth (b1880) and the wonderfully named Marlborough (1882-1917) who went to Yorkshire. I don't know any more about these children simply because I haven't got to them yet. The brickwall being a lack of time. Anyone with a real brickwall that could do with some help demolishing? -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone know where I can purchase "The Inns and Outs of Ashover" and "The Saints and sinners of Ashover" written by C.E. Lugard. Have tried Amazon and Ebay with no luck. Many thanks. June.