Another NORTON brickwall! James NORTON (s/o Joseph NORTON & Mary, nee CAPEWELL), was born in Cauldwell, Stapenhill psh (chr 23 Jan 1767) and baptised as a General Baptist in Melbourne, 11 Aug 1782. He was a beneficiary of his father's will, dated 3 Oct 1811. These are the only definite references I have found for him. If he remained in Cauldwell he will have been buried in the Cauldwell General Baptist burial ground, the registers for which have been destroyed by fire, so if he died prior to 1 Jul 1837, there will be no surviving record of his death. Does anybody recognise a marriage or (in case he left Cauldwell) a burial for a James NORTON born c1766 / 7? Regards Blanche Charles (nee Norton) Wellington-Kapiti Coast New Zealand NORTON Family History Unlimited http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~blanchec/indexdby.htm

My apologies to the List! I tried to CTRL-V to paste a reference & lost my message - apparently it was sent, unfinished. Trying again! Charles NORTON (s/o Charles NORTON & Elizabeth, nee BATE[S], of Cauldwell) was chr Stapenhill, 23 Dec 1717. He was a beneficiary of his father's will, dated 20 Nov 1753. Father died in Cauldwell in May 1756 and Charles jnr inherited "the little dwelling house and garden thereto belonging", as well as "twelve pounds of lawful money". There is no burial for him in Stapenhill PRs, after this date. I cannot find a marriage for him, either. The only reference I can find to him is this: Lichfield Record Office: Doc RefNo B/C/5/1757/42 Title Case type: Defamation/ Affidavit Date 16 Nov 1757 Description Principal people: Norton, Charles, cordwainer; Pratt, William, yeoman Principal places: Caldwell, Derbyshire Further details: William Pratt in church on 16th Oct RelatedMaterial Range of cause papers: B/C/5/1757/40-44 Living in NZ, I am unable to view this file (and the cost of photocopying is prohibitive) so have no idea what it holds, but it does prove that Charles NORTON - cordwainer, like his father - was alive around Oct-Nov 1757. Can anybody find a marriage or burial for this man, please? Regards Blanche Charles (nee Norton) Wellington-Kapiti Coast New Zealand NORTON Family History Unlimited http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~blanchec/indexdby.htm Stapenhill Online Resources http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~blanchec/StapOPC.htm

Charles NORTON (s/o Charles NORTON & Elizabeth, nee BATE[S], of Cauldwell) was chr Stapenhill, 23 Dec 1717. He was a beneficiary of his father's will, dated 20 Nov 1753. Father died in Cauldwell in May 1756 and Charles jnr inherited "the little dwelling house and garden thereto belonging", as well as "twelve pounds of lawful money". >From this I assume that Charles jnr was still alive in May 1756, but there is no burial for him in Stapenhill PRs, after this date. I cannot find a marriage for him, either. The only reference I can find to him is this:

  Hi Martin >From the 1684 Will of Richard Froggott of Bubnell all the lands at Heywood in the Parish and County aforesaid now in the possession of Thomas Mosely or Phillip Mosely   Jennifer 

Hi Martin,   Have you looked at the Baslow and Hope PRs for your Mosleys? I have come across several Mosleys in my Froggatt family research. They may have been tenants of my John Froggatt of Froggatt and Moorseats, Hathersage at one point in 17th century. I believe they farmed at Haywood, near Froggatt as well. I'll see if I can locate some documents that mention them.   National Archives 1608 William Mosley witness to a tenancy agreement for Stoke Hall between Charles Cavendish and Barnard Wells.   National Archives 1615 Philip Mosley rents a close called the Nether Holme from Thomas Cowpe(r)   I have a note from a Hallam family researcher that a William Mosley of Stoke was the first husband of my great grandmother x 5 Sarah Leyland nee Hallam. Her first Leyland child was born 1731 so William Mosley must have died before that. I have no information about any Mosley / Hallam offspring.   Jennifer. 

Thank you Pat, Yes I have the PR's for Eyam, and I'm almost certain the families there are linked to those in Old Brampton, but that link is proving extremely difficult to track down. Will keep looking though! Thanks again. Martin

Still searching for info on: Rob MIDDLETON, b 1795  (a druggist) wife:   Ann, b. 1796  (maiden name unknown) Daughters:  Jane,  b. Dec. 24, 1818 Mary, b. 1828 The family arrived in New York September 5, 1839. Seeking any trail on them prior to leaving England in 1839.  Jane MIDDLETON mentioned several people from Tideswell in her 1885 New York City will, including siblings Edward HUNSTONE and Jane HUNSTONE DAVIS. Here's hoping...... Sherri Princeton, NJ USA

Hi, I have found this web site http://www.squidoo.com/ortonfamily but it doesn't give me proof or links further back than Joseph Efford Orton. I have not found a Joseph baptism at Mansfield around 1760's. in the many years that I have been searching. regards Pete in Mansfield ----- Original Message ----- From: "MAVIS JOHNSON" <mayjaysomerset@btinternet.com> To: <peter.wright15@ntlworld.com> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 11:14 PM Subject: Re: [DBY] Brickwall Demolition - ORTON Peter I have seen ORTONs in the Appleby Magna area when looking at my Gothard/Goddard family. Also an Owen Orton Rector at Normanton on Soar (1868). If you could find who owned the land and patronage for Normanton on Soar you may get a clue. Good Luck Mavis ----- Original Message ----- > From: Peter Wright <peter.wright15@ntlworld.com> > To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, 12 May 2013, 20:30 > Subject: Re: [DBY] Brickwall Demolition - ORTON > > Hi, > > My brickwall is a chap called Joseph Efford ORTON who married an Elizabeth > COOK at South Normanton on 11th Oct 1791 > > Anybody have any ideas where he came from, they later had children in > Mansfield (John 1800) and grandhildren (Henry 1825) in Sutton-in-Ashfield, > Notts. Henry's daughter, Rose (1850) was my great,grandmother. > > regards > Pete in Mansfield > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charani" <charani.b@gmail.com> > To: <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 12:28 PM > Subject: [DBY] Brickwall Demolition - MNO > > >> I've grouped these letters together because I'm not sure > there'll be >> too many on any of them. Now you'll prove me wrong <G> >> >> I have some that are enticingly close: Notts, Staffs, Leics, so not >> eligible for this list. Those that are are post WWI. >> >> Over to you all. Who are your brickwalls with surnames beginning M, N >> or O? >> >> -- >> Charani (UK) >> OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, >> Greinton and Clutton, SOM >> http://wsom-opc.org.uk >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Blanche Thanks for the info. I had found the baptisms on your Stapenhill site previously. However Mary's date of birth is 3 years out, I know this is not necessarily significant but all the censuses and burial ages seem to match a birth of 1781. If the Ann you have identified as perhaps being Mary then their daughter Mary is not my 4xg grandmother as she died before she could marry my 4xg grand father. The search goes on . . . Geraldine Researching in Derbys: EVANS, GOODMAN, HARRISON, LEEDHAM, STATHAM, WALTON, WILTON, YEOMANS -----Original Message----- From: Blanche Charles Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 5:38 AM To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DBY] Brickwall - HAIMES Hi Geraldine Here are the only AIMES etc baptisms and burials from St Peter's, Stapenhill - before Newhall became a separate chapelry. Baptisms: AIMES Hannah Henry & Mary Newhall 20 Sep 1776 AIMES James Henry & Mary Newhall 25 Mar 1782 AIMES Mary Henry & Mary Newhall 14 Jan 1785 AIMES Joseph Henry & Mary Newhall 10 Apr 1787 AIMES Jane Henry & Mary Newhall 2 Jun 1789 AIMES William Henry & Mary Newhall 16 Jan 1791 AIMES George Henry & Mary Newhall 22 Dec 1792 AIMES William Henry & Mary Newhall 29 May 1794 AIMS Elisabeth Henry & Mary Newhall 17 Jul 1796 HAMES Sarah James & Deborah Newhall 11 Mar 1810 Burials: AIMS William Newhall 15 May 1794 Son of Henry & Mary HAMES Ann Newhall 26 May 1807 Wife of James HAMES Elisabeth Newhall 7 Jul 1806 Dau of Henery & Mary HANES Mary Newhall 5 Mar 1805 Dau of Enery & *Ann* There were also HAINES in Stapenhill (in Cauldwell, not Newhall) - mainly at the end of C17. Newhall would appear to be consistent. You will need to check the original PRs (microfilm at DRO) as the LDS has filmed only the BTs. The above have come from a transcript, so it's possible that the mother of Mary, bur 1805, should have been Mary rather than Ann, and the name HAMES, rather than HANES. (Even then, they could have been wrongly entered in the register - human error in the original). I realise that this has only given you more problems to sort out, but hope it may help in the long run! Regards Blanche Charles (nee Norton) Wellington-Kapiti Coast New Zealand NORTON Family History Unlimited http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~blanchec/indexdby.htm Stapenhill Online Resources http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~blanchec/StapOPC.htm ------------------------------ On Mon, 6 May 2013, "Geraldine Bancroft" <f-history@pipersrise.plus.com> wrote: I?m looking for Mary HAIMES born 1781 in Newhall or Swadlincote (different places of birth on 1851 & 1861) Census. Only baptism that might be her is on Stapenhill baptisms on the web but in 1785 with surname AIMES. Mary married my 4g grandfather William WALTON in 1808 in Church Gresley. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, My brickwall is a chap called Joseph Efford ORTON who married an Elizabeth COOK at South Normanton on 11th Oct 1791 Anybody have any ideas where he came from, they later had children in Mansfield (John 1800) and grandhildren (Henry 1825) in Sutton-in-Ashfield, Notts. Henry's daughter, Rose (1850) was my great,grandmother. regards Pete in Mansfield ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charani" <charani.b@gmail.com> To: <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 12:28 PM Subject: [DBY] Brickwall Demolition - MNO > I've grouped these letters together because I'm not sure there'll be > too many on any of them. Now you'll prove me wrong <G> > > I have some that are enticingly close: Notts, Staffs, Leics, so not > eligible for this list. Those that are are post WWI. > > Over to you all. Who are your brickwalls with surnames beginning M, N > or O? > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, > Greinton and Clutton, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Joy, There is a possibility in the Derbyshire Marriage Index http://derbysmarriages1538-1837.co.uk/ Derby St Peter PH Jacob Osbone, Elvaston, 7 Nov 1707 & Hanna Jaques Cheers, Sue >________________________________ >   > >Message: 7 >Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 14:51:04 +0100 >From: Joy Hungerford <joyharp2010@hotmail.co.uk> >Subject: [DBY] M,N,O - OSBORNE >To: "derbysgen@rootsweb.com" <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <DUB113-W12089BF6C749B228CB627A7E6A70@phx.gbl> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >I have a mystery man, Jacob OSBORNE, of Elvaston. >His Will was written in 1712 and he mentions his wife, Hannah. > > >Query 1 - Hannah who??? >Query 2 - where and when did they marry? > > >He names two brothers, William and Isaac. Of course he does.? >This family always called their sons Jacob, William and Isaac!! >He also mentions his sister, Mary; a lot of those, too! > > >I'm convinced, even if only by the naming pattern, that this nest? >is related to my Spondon OSBORNEs. I just can't make the link, but suspect? >he may be related to Rev William OSBORNE of Derby. > > >If any dear lister has a crumb or two to add to the mix, I'd be delighted. > > >Kind regards > > >Joy                           > >         

One of my brickwalls is the NEWTON family in Draycott, Wilne and Shardlow. My gt grandfther, Henry NEWTON's birth was registered in Apr-Jun qtr 1844 in Shardlow. From census in 1851 he is living with his father George born 1815 Draycott and older brother John. Said to have been born in Draycott and living in parish of Wilne.The 1841 census shows father George.a farmer at Draycott and his wife Sarah with son John c 1838 and another son George c 1840. Sarah nee BOSWORTH dies in 1847. in 1861, my gt gt grandfather, George is a butcher on the High Road at Beeston with second wife Margaret CHADBURN and sons William born 1843 and my Henry. In 1881, George is a beerhouse keeper at the New Inn, Backmoor, Norton Derbyshire with wife Margaret. Possible father for George is John NEWTON b 1776 Derbyshire and mother Elizabeth Sscrimshaw MOSES b 1781 of Mansfield. but I have not confirmed that yet. Henry marries Elizabeth SHIPSTONE in July 1865 in Nottingham. They are living on Plumtree Street. The marriage certificate says his father George is now a publican. I can't find Henry again anywhere after that date, although Elizabeth is living with her mother and has two children, John Henry b 1865 (my grandfather) and Mary Ellen b 1870. Elizabeth says she is married on 1871 census. Only started this side recently so don't have a lot of info yet and can't get to the Derbyshire archives either at this time so I am really interested in any information on this NEWTON family if anyone has them in their tree. and would be grateful for anything on them. I realise that Henry's disappearance may not be to do with Derbyshire but always live in hope that someone will turn him up! Thank you Nina Terry

Sorry I'm a bit late with this. My grandfather, George Henry SHAW, was born in Borrowash on 9th November 1886. I traced his parents Jonathan and Hannah (nee Brindley) on the 1881 and 1871 censuses but couldn't find Jonathan SHAW, or his father of the same name, prior to that. After much searching of censuses and bmds I decided to follow the line of Jonathan (junior's) sister. Having found her on the 1861 census I noticed that the entry immediately above was for a family called HALL. The first names and ages matched the SHAWs I was looking for. I found the appropriate births and marriages and discovered that, for reasons unknown, the family, over a period of time between 1849 and 1861, depending on which birth or census record you look at, changed their name from HALL to SHAW. Jonathan senior, my gggrandfather, was born as HALL, but died as a SHAW in 1868. The link with SHAW is that this was his mother's maiden name. Incidentally, Jonathan was the first person to be buried in the then new Borrowash cemetery. We have the reason why SHAW was chosen as a new surname, but why do it in the first place? The family don't appear to have been rich, so I don't think they did it on the promise of money from the SHAW side of the family. At the time of his death, Jonathan was a cotton factory overlooker. There can't have been a scandal as they didn't move house, so presumably just told the neighbours that they were changing their name. Also, why did they call themselves HALL and SHAW intermittently over a period of 12 years? I mentioned this on the group a few years ago but as members have come and gone over time I thought I'd mention it again. No conclusions were reached then so any thoughts on the matter would be much appreciated. Dave Fleetwood

Hi Martin, Have you checked the Eyam parish records? If not, I can do that for you. cheers, Pat in Victoria, Canada Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 14:02:44 +0200 From: Martin Mosley<martin_mosley@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [DBY] Brickwall Demolition - MNO To:derbysgen@rootsweb.com Message-ID:<BLU0-SMTP19957C75CDAAE66318FA6FA9CA70@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm still working on Mosley (spelt in various forms) mainly from Dronfield, Brampton, and Eyam. There are various families which must be linked in some way between these various parishes. I've been able to work through the lines individually but can't find those elusive links, probably in the first half of the 18th century. If anyone else has these names from these places, I'd love to hear from you and to work together to try and break a wall which has stumped me for more years than I care to remember.

Hi Gill Many thanks for this, but I think you just added to my clutch of OSBORNEs! This one may be a bit late for a 1712 Will, with grown up children mentioned. I have an Isaac and Elizabeth raising their children (including an Isaac, William, Mary and Joseph) in Spondon in the mid-1740s too. Now it seems that there's a new habit forming - of Jacobs marrying Hannahs :o) You see my problem? Nevertheless, I'm grateful for your time and trouble and shall now find out more about  this Jacob. Kind regards Joy  ---------------------------------------- > From: brian-salt@talktalk.net > Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 15:24:49 -0700 > To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DBY] M,N,O - OSBORNE > > Hi > There is a Jacob Osborne b1695 in Alvaston. Parents were Isaac & Elizabeth. He married Hannah Summers in 1724 & died in 1727. > Regards, > gill > > Sent from my iPad > > On 12 May 2013, at 06:51, Joy Hungerford <joyharp2010@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > > > I have a mystery man, Jacob OSBORNE, of Elvaston. > > His Will was written in 1712 and he mentions his wife, Hannah. > > > > > > Query 1 - Hannah who??? > > Query 2 - where and when did they marry? > > > > > > He names two brothers, William and Isaac. Of course he does. > > This family always called their sons Jacob, William and Isaac!! > > He also mentions his sister, Mary; a lot of those, too! > > > > > > I'm convinced, even if only by the naming pattern, that this nest > > is related to my Spondon OSBORNEs. I just can't make the link, but suspect > > he may be related to Rev William OSBORNE of Derby. > > > > > > If any dear lister has a crumb or two to add to the mix, I'd be delighted. > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > > Joy > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi There is a Jacob Osborne b1695 in Alvaston. Parents were Isaac & Elizabeth. He married Hannah Summers in 1724 & died in 1727. Regards, gill Sent from my iPad On 12 May 2013, at 06:51, Joy Hungerford <joyharp2010@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > I have a mystery man, Jacob OSBORNE, of Elvaston. > His Will was written in 1712 and he mentions his wife, Hannah. > > > Query 1 - Hannah who??? > Query 2 - where and when did they marry? > > > He names two brothers, William and Isaac. Of course he does. > This family always called their sons Jacob, William and Isaac!! > He also mentions his sister, Mary; a lot of those, too! > > > I'm convinced, even if only by the naming pattern, that this nest > is related to my Spondon OSBORNEs. I just can't make the link, but suspect > he may be related to Rev William OSBORNE of Derby. > > > If any dear lister has a crumb or two to add to the mix, I'd be delighted. > > > Kind regards > > > Joy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a mystery man, Jacob OSBORNE, of Elvaston. His Will was written in 1712 and he mentions his wife, Hannah. Query 1 - Hannah who??? Query 2 - where and when did they marry? He names two brothers, William and Isaac. Of course he does.  This family always called their sons Jacob, William and Isaac!! He also mentions his sister, Mary; a lot of those, too! I'm convinced, even if only by the naming pattern, that this nest  is related to my Spondon OSBORNEs. I just can't make the link, but suspect  he may be related to Rev William OSBORNE of Derby. If any dear lister has a crumb or two to add to the mix, I'd be delighted. Kind regards Joy

I'm still working on Mosley (spelt in various forms) mainly from Dronfield, Brampton, and Eyam. There are various families which must be linked in some way between these various parishes. I've been able to work through the lines individually but can't find those elusive links, probably in the first half of the 18th century. If anyone else has these names from these places, I'd love to hear from you and to work together to try and break a wall which has stumped me for more years than I care to remember.

On 2013/05/12 13:28, Charani wrote: > I've grouped these letters together because I'm not sure there'll be > too many on any of them. Now you'll prove me wrong <G> > Ok. I'll start things off. I've got a John MARRIOTT bap. 17 May 1813, in South Normanton (probably St Michaels). Son of James MARRIOTT and Sarah BALL nee HILL. There are 3 other siblings that I know of (Mary bap 19 May 1818, Jonathan bap 26 May 1822 and Elizabeth (b. abt 1826). The only one I've been able to trace forward is Jonathan because he's my wife's gt-gt-gfather. Can anyone shed an light as to what happened to the other 3 siblings (John, Mary, Elizabeth) and whether there were any others that I don't know anything about. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg

On 2013/05/12 13:28, Charani wrote: > I've grouped these letters together because I'm not sure there'll be > too many on any of them. Now you'll prove me wrong <G> Er, lots of MARRIOTTs all over the East Midlands :-) -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg