Hi Jon Unfortunately you don't give his age, birthplace or other identifying information so it may be nothing to do with your man but in 1911 (not entirely sure what he was an inmate of though?) 1911 England Census about Horace James Ramsay Name: Horace James Ramsay Age in 1911: 51 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relation to Head: Inmate Gender: Male Birth Place: Lanark, Scotland Civil Parish: Fulham County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 8 Star Road, West Kensington W Marital Status: Widowed Occupation: CLERK PRINTER Registration District: Fulham Registration District Number: 3 Sub-registration District: North East Fulham ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Piece: 311 Household Members: Name Age Ernest Benjamin Seaman 24 Lilian Emma Baker 24 Kate Ethel Palmer 27 Alfred Young 64 Thomas Henry Morgan 29 James Smith Baker 42 Charles Bank Akery 33 Benjamin Daniel Blake 48 Albert Walter Carter 28 Edward Charles Chester 22 James Coutts 43 Albert Edwin Gray 43 Alfred Grice 24 Alfred George Hancock 22 William Henry Harford 45 Patrick McAleer 28 Edward George Martin 41 Alec Priestley 27 Horace James Ramsay 51 Walter Henry Kingsley 28 John Stockes 31 Herbert Trosh 30 Ernest Henry West 45 Francis William Worcester 22 Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 311. Is this his marriage? England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1940 about Horace James Ramsay Name: Horace James Ramsay Gender: Male Father's Name: William Ramsay Spouse's Name: Florry Holmes Spouse's Father's Name: Samuel Holmes Marriage Date: 24 Oct 1892 Marriage Place: Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England There is a Horace J RAMSAY b1856 Lanark Scotland in the 1891 which suggests the above may be your man In the newspapers In Nov 1893 Horace James RAMSAY was found guilty of embezzlement and sentenced to six months hard labour (Derbyshire Times) He does not seem to have learned by the experience as in July 1896 he was found guilty of embezzelment again it mentions he was going by the name Vasey Howard RAMSDALE alias Horace James RAMSAY He was given twelve months on that occasion He was carried into and out of court on the back of a policeman as he was suffering from rheumatism (Derbyshire Times) I do not see him in 1901, if he was an inmate of her majestys pleasure or in a hospital somewhere he may well be enumerated under initials only, of which there are several possibilities Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 28/05/2013 12:42, Jon Cantrill wrote: > Hi List, > > After the sucess of my previous Brickwall breakdown, I wonder if you > could find any further information about the following: > > Derby Mecury Wednesday October 18th 1898 > James Horace RAMSEY, formely a cashier in Chesterfield, was brought up > charged with embezzling 17l 15s belonging to a Welsh newspaper > Company. On the application of Head Constable EMERY, a remand was > granted. > > I have a Horace James RAMSAY in my tree who is missing in the 1901 > census and 1911 census. His wife Flora RAMSAY (nee HOLMES b. 1869 > Chesterfield) is living with her mother in 1901 with her two children > May RAMSAY (b. abt 1894 Chesterfield) and Horace S RAMSAY (b. abt 1896 > Torquary). I am unable to find any of the family in the 1911 census. > > 1) Does anybody know the outcome of the court case of James Horace > RAMSEY? Is this my Horace James RAMSAY? > > 2) What happened to this family after 1901? I am unable to find deaths > or remarriages > > Thank you for your time, > > Jon Cantrill

Hi List, After the sucess of my previous Brickwall breakdown, I wonder if you could find any further information about the following: Derby Mecury Wednesday October 18th 1898 James Horace RAMSEY, formely a cashier in Chesterfield, was brought up charged with embezzling 17l 15s belonging to a Welsh newspaper Company. On the application of Head Constable EMERY, a remand was granted. I have a Horace James RAMSAY in my tree who is missing in the 1901 census and 1911 census. His wife Flora RAMSAY (nee HOLMES b. 1869 Chesterfield) is living with her mother in 1901 with her two children May RAMSAY (b. abt 1894 Chesterfield) and Horace S RAMSAY (b. abt 1896 Torquary). I am unable to find any of the family in the 1911 census. 1) Does anybody know the outcome of the court case of James Horace RAMSEY? Is this my Horace James RAMSAY? 2) What happened to this family after 1901? I am unable to find deaths or remarriages Thank you for your time, Jon Cantrill -- My family tree - RootsWeb's WorldConnect Project: C A N T R I L L http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=astridhq

Morning all I have updated the ashes and earthern burials in Crich Burial Ground to 2013 on www.crichparish.co.uk Peter

Thank you Nivard for the information. Regards George Rainham, Kent. ---------------------------------------- > Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 22:15:46 +0100 > From: ovington.one@gmail.com > To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DBY] GEORGE PICKERING b1833 PACKINGTON > > Hi George > > Yes the Stamford Mercury 1714 - 1912 is available on findmypast or the > BL newspapers > > The OCRing is somewhat wavy > (which is a polite way of saying it rubbish :-) > > But try a selection of keywords if names don't get the hits you need > > Such as PICKERING + Gamekeeper

Hi George Yes the Stamford Mercury 1714 - 1912 is available on findmypast or the BL newspapers The OCRing is somewhat wavy (which is a polite way of saying it rubbish :-) But try a selection of keywords if names don't get the hits you need Such as PICKERING + Gamekeeper Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 27/05/2013 21:09, George Pickering wrote: > Thank you Nivard for the info. Is the Leicester Chronicle accessible on-line? > > Regards > > George > Rainham, Kent.

Hi, Yes looks like H.E.Smith and not George Moore who George Pickering was gamekeeper for. H.E Smith was Henry Etherington Smith, Esq. Shellbrook House, Ashby. regards Pete in Mansfield ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington.one@gmail.com> To: <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [DBY] GEORGE PICKERING b1833 PACKINGTON > Hmm just noticed I missed a bit off :-( > > > Leicester Chronicle June 14th 1862 > > > > Jesse SWAN George WILTON and William ILLSLEY were charged with > > trespassing in search of game, on land in the occupation of H.E. SMITH > > Esq at Ashby. George PICKERING gamekeeper to Mr SMITH stated that he was > > on duty about half past seven o'clock and *saw defendants with a gun > and dog - Fined 13s 9d each* > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Pete for the info. Regards. George Rainham, Kent. Peter Wright <peter.wright15@ntlworld.com> wrote: >Hi, > >I would have thought George would have worked for George Moore, the lord of >the manor. >This extract is from 1863 >George Moore, Esq., is lord of the manor of Appleby Parva, >and resides at the HALL, a handsome modern mansion, with an elegant >portico supported by fluted Doric pillars, pleasantly situated in a >beautiful park of 50 acres, a little south of the village. About a mile >north of the church is White House, the seat of the Misses Moore. > >regards >Pete in Mansfield > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "george pickering" <sapper393@hotmail.co.uk> >To: "DERBYSHIRE" <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 6:54 PM >Subject: [DBY] GEORGE PICKERING b1833 PACKINGTON > > >> Dear List, >> >> My great grandfather George PICKERING was, during the period 1863 to 1876, >> a Gamekeeper according to various documents for that period. >> >> I'm trying to find out what estate, if at all possible, he may have worked >> for. >> >> The documents show him to be living in Appleby Magna through the above >> period. >> >> Regards >> >> George >> Rainham, Kent. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you Nivard for the info. Is the Leicester Chronicle accessible on-line? Regards George Rainham, Kent. Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> wrote: >Hmm just noticed I missed a bit off :-( > > > Leicester Chronicle June 14th 1862 > > > > Jesse SWAN George WILTON and William ILLSLEY were charged with > > trespassing in search of game, on land in the occupation of H.E. SMITH > > Esq at Ashby. George PICKERING gamekeeper to Mr SMITH stated that he was > > on duty about half past seven o'clock and *saw defendants with a gun >and dog - Fined 13s 9d each* > > >Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hmm just noticed I missed a bit off :-( > Leicester Chronicle June 14th 1862 > > Jesse SWAN George WILTON and William ILLSLEY were charged with > trespassing in search of game, on land in the occupation of H.E. SMITH > Esq at Ashby. George PICKERING gamekeeper to Mr SMITH stated that he was > on duty about half past seven o'clock and *saw defendants with a gun and dog - Fined 13s 9d each* Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Hi, I would have thought George would have worked for George Moore, the lord of the manor. This extract is from 1863 George Moore, Esq., is lord of the manor of Appleby Parva, and resides at the HALL, a handsome modern mansion, with an elegant portico supported by fluted Doric pillars, pleasantly situated in a beautiful park of 50 acres, a little south of the village. About a mile north of the church is White House, the seat of the Misses Moore. regards Pete in Mansfield ----- Original Message ----- From: "george pickering" <sapper393@hotmail.co.uk> To: "DERBYSHIRE" <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 6:54 PM Subject: [DBY] GEORGE PICKERING b1833 PACKINGTON > Dear List, > > My great grandfather George PICKERING was, during the period 1863 to 1876, > a Gamekeeper according to various documents for that period. > > I'm trying to find out what estate, if at all possible, he may have worked > for. > > The documents show him to be living in Appleby Magna through the above > period. > > Regards > > George > Rainham, Kent. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi George Gamekeepers are very often to be found in the newspapers Either as seeking game licences or as witnesses to prosecutions for poaching For example Leicester Chronicle June 14th 1862 Jesse SWAN George WILTON and William ILLSLEY were charged with trespassing in search of game, on land in the occupation of H.E. SMITH Esq at Ashby. George PICKERING gamekeeper to Mr SMITH stated that he was on duty about half past seven o'clock and A few years later a mention of a George PICKERING, gamekeeper was in the newspaper where the Magistrate was one H.E. SMITH , you would have to ask how impartial he was in that case <g> There will no doubt be more articles that may shed more light on his employers Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 27/05/2013 18:54, george pickering wrote: > Dear List, > > My great grandfather George PICKERING was, during the period 1863 to 1876, a Gamekeeper according to various documents for that period. > > I'm trying to find out what estate, if at all possible, he may have worked for. > > The documents show him to be living in Appleby Magna through the above period. > > Regards > > George > Rainham, Kent.

Dear List, My great grandfather George PICKERING was, during the period 1863 to 1876, a Gamekeeper according to various documents for that period. I'm trying to find out what estate, if at all possible, he may have worked for. The documents show him to be living in Appleby Magna through the above period. Regards George Rainham, Kent.

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Where is this site please? Barry Millington -----Original Message----- From: Henry Griffiths Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 5:46 AM To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [DBY] M for MILLINGTON Thanks Jenny I am aware of The MILLINGTON one name study site. Have used it on many occasions with great results. Paul Millington is to be congratulated on all his hard work in producing sush a fine resource. Henry Griffiths ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3162/6323 - Release Date: 05/14/13 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am interested in finding out more about the RADFORD families, and in particular  one with the middle name of Richardson. My gt.gt.grandfather, John Cutts (1830-1905), manager of his brother's lace factories under the name of 'T. B. CUTTS' until his death,  was later in partnership with Frederick Richardson Radford, a Sheriff of Nottingham, in the firm of 'Radford and Cutts'.    The earlier company name was then used by John Cutts (1858-1933) son of the above John Cutts. Frederick was married to Mary SPRAY - a lace family linked to both my Cutts and Butler lace families.     He had a brother John Heiron RADFORD, who was a boat builder employing two men and 2 boys and living at 25 Glebe Street, Nottingham in 1881, with his wife Emma nee LOVATT.  (also spelt Lovett) Their father was also a John Heiron RADFORD, a Lace Maker from Sneinton St. Stephens. In 1871 this Frederick Richardson RADFORD was at 22 Melville Street, 26. a Wholesale Milliner, born Sneinton, with his wife Mary, 23, b. Beeston, and dau Nellie Mary 1 b. Nottingham St. Peters. An important piece of information was found in a New Members List of the Nottingham Addison St. Cong. Church - where Ernest Cecil Cutts was a Deacon - stating "Mrs. Sarah Radford of Colville Terrace, admitted to the congregation by transfer from Congregational Church, CHESTERFIELD, on 15 October 1867.  Dismissed on her death 23rd June, 1900" Both Butlers and Sprays had factories close to their home bases in Russell Street, Nottingham and my grandmother lived on Raleigh St. in 1881. The RADFORD family were significant in Smalley. I quote "There were only two pews in the church - one on each side of the chancel arch - that on the south being occupied by the "Richardson Radfords" whilst the other pew belonged to the Fletchers or Barbers of Stainsby House." [More recently I have found another of my family lines related to the Fletchers and Barbers!     (KEY from Fritchley to a BARBER of Shipley)  Brian Binns is going to check the St. Leo's, Basford register for further details for me when he is next at the Archives following a request to the list earlier My family tree is becoming more confusingly intertwined with the different surnames most with roots in the Heritage Valley] There are two Frederick RADFORDs in Nottingham who are Lace Manufacturers and both living close to my ancestors, which has confused me a little. The other is a Frederick RADFORD,  son of a Sarah RADFORD, b. Combe in Somerset, who moves to Nottingham. In 1851 At Frome, Somerset,    In 1861 Sherwood/Basford . In 1871 13 Colville Terrace, Widow, aged 67 with sister in law, Eliza Un., 74, b. Chard, and Alfred an Accountant. In 1881 Fredk. RADFORD, 40 is at 7 Colville Villas. Frederick appears to have married Annie JOHNSON 18 May 1862 at St. Leos. I would be pleased to hear of any others who have researched these RADFORD families. Mavis, in Somerset

Well I can't resist Charani, even though I know the chances of help are a little remote. R for RENSHAW of course. I'm interested in any RENSHAWs but particularly Derbyshire ones and most especially those who were in Eckington/ Ridgeway/Birley Hay/Ford/Troway from c1600 onwards (some are still in the area). The brick wall in my ex-husband's tree is the delightfully named Maximilian RENSHAW who first appears as a creditor in the Will of his stepfather George HILL of Troway (written 1628, proved 1632). I suspect that Max was young at that date, possibly just starting an apprenticeship with George HILL as a cooper, so I estimate a birth year about 1620. Max began baptising babies in Eckington 1648, but his wife is unknown and I have no marriage for him. He had 5 known children in Eckington and died there in 1680. His descendancy down to my sons is now known and all the males in the line are named William or Thomas until it reaches my late father in law Alan, so there has to be some reason for the wonderfully odd name of Maximilian. The RENSHAWs seem to have been genetic dissenters until recent generations, so I think the name may indicate dissent - but equally it could mean he was Roman Catholic. I think he may have been away in the civil wars in the years before 1648 and may have married while away. But it's all supposition. If anyone sees any sight of this Maximilian RENSHAW I would dearly like to know. He did have an eldest son Maximilian too (1648-1707) but his line either didn't stay in Eckington or died out. With only a smidgen of hope Celia Renshaw in Chesterfield UK On 26 May 2013 12:38, Charani <charani.b@gmail.com> wrote: > > There OUGHT to be a number of R surnames <G> > > Here's a nice one to start off: > > Elizabeth RILEY b abt 1821 Measham, Derbyshire married Joseph > SHAKESPEARE b abt 1817 in Swadlincote. They had one dau that I know > about Susan(nah) 1842-1883. > > Elizabeth died 1889 in Staffs so kindly removes herself from this > list's remit. > > That is my sum total of information about this lady. > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, > Greinton and Clutton, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There OUGHT to be a number of R surnames <G> Here's a nice one to start off: Elizabeth RILEY b abt 1821 Measham, Derbyshire married Joseph SHAKESPEARE b abt 1817 in Swadlincote. They had one dau that I know about Susan(nah) 1842-1883. Elizabeth died 1889 in Staffs so kindly removes herself from this list's remit. That is my sum total of information about this lady. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Hello all. Very grateful for the help in deciphering the attestation docs for my Gt- Uncle William. Don't think I'd have ever got 'forfeited a days pay'. The WO references have numbers after them so..........are they worth looking up does anyone know? The Attestation papers also mentioned that he'd previously been 'time-served in the Leicestershires'....a bit more digging has revealed he may also have fought in the Boer War and I'm seeking confirmation now! He'd have been very young (18) and must have been keen to leave Belper! Why did he join the Leicestershires? We may never know. It's sad but none of the family seem to have known anything about our ancestors military record! We must have lost touch with his widow. He was the eldest child of my Grans siblings and I have realised that he died on the same day as his Mum passed away in Derby! What a sad coincidence which neither would have known about obviously.....not until the telegram reached Derby later would the family have known. Thanks again you wonderful people! Andrea N Sent from my iPad

Hi All This is very interesting. I came across a fellow Millward researcher who told me he has the gene- been tested - and he was told it was from miners from the Iberian Penninusla (Spain) who had come to Derbyshire mines some centuries ago. He also understood that it goes down the male line. Is that so? I do have many Derbyshire families in my line. I went to the Doctor for skin cancer check - and he asked me where I got my Spanish skin from - fine and evenly pigmented. He had worked in Spain for some years. regards Hilary Thomas Melbourne nee Nottingham

Hi Andrea, I sympathise...It is very hard to read, but I picked up a few things. Line 1, 15/10/15: forfeited 1 day pay for absence in the field Line 4: 3/12: Rejoined Battalion 4/2/16. Again Rejoined Battalion. The others could possibly mean injured and sent to a hospital,(in St......?) but can't quite get it. WO is usually Warrent Officer or War Office. Sorry not much help. My grandfather's had more information, including the ship he went on to France. Regards Sally In Sydney Oz . -----Original Message----- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message