OK, I know there aren't THAT many surnames beginning with U but how many have wives in their family trees from that large well known family of UNKNOWN? :)) -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Loads of them - weren't they prolific? -----Original Message----- From: Charani <charani.b@gmail.com> To: derbysgen <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 11:39 Subject: [DBY] Brickwall Demolition - U OK, I know there aren't THAT many surnames beginning with U but how many have wives in their family trees from that large well known family of UNKNOWN? :))-- Charani (UK)OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick,Greinton and Clutton, SOMhttp://wsom-opc.org.uk-------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My long standing brickwall is the marriage of Richard STARTIN to Mary BERESFORD on 28 November 1780 in Repton. He was said to be "of Doveridge" at the time. All their children were baptised in Bretby, but Richard and Mary were buried in Repton, as Bretby had no consecrated ground at the time and was not licensed for marriages until 1911. Richard died in 1827 aged 74, giving a birth year of 1753. I hope someone can prove which Richard he was. Barbara of sunny St Albans

Hello Everyone If anyone has an interest in Hasland near Chesterfield I thought they might be interested to hear that a special gala is taking place in Eastwood Park Hasland tomorrow (9th June) to celebrate the centenary of the opening of the park. Restoration work has been taking place over the last few months and also the Village Hall has been refurbished. The re-opening of the park is at 10.30am and the Gala begins at 11am and finishes at 4pm. There will be many attractions including Bands, Fun Dog Show, Climbing Wall, Fun Fair, Heritage Display, Hasland Gala Royalty Parade, many stalls and much more. Hope to see you there !!! Best Wishes Margaret Hartshorn My Hasland website http://www.hasland.me.uk/

Hi Lynda For many years I failed to find my g.g.grandparents marriage circa 1840's in Yorkshire I had resigned myself to thinking they never married, it did not shock or surprise me (nothing really does any more in family history <g>) When the local office made their indexes available online I was surprised to find their marriage was amongst them in 1843, rechecking the GRO I confirmed it was not there, so checked further to find several other life events at the local office level that are either completely missing from or are misspelled in the GRO I don't think there are any free online searchable indexes from the local offices as yet but there are a growing number becoming available for other Counties Many to be found on http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/ (there are some for Derbyshire on the pay site findmypast) So unless you have already done so I would try an enquiry at the local level Of course they may never have married, many didn't, or left it until years later in a place you are not expecting to find them Another g.g.grandfather of mine was widowed before the 1881 census, by the 1891 he was enumerated with a wife Ann, again for years I could not find a marriage, when Ancestry brought the London registers out I eventually found the marriage in 1881, his name is in the GRO index as WILLS it should have been WELLS, the marriage in Kensington was miles from where they lived in Bucks The marriage cert, signed by James WELLS was filled in by the vicar or a clerk and shows what looks like WILLS complete with a dot over the i, so mistakes were made at all levels, even by the person marrying Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 07/06/2013 21:39, Lynda Sallis wrote: > I've been researching my family tree for 15 years and have never been > able to find a marriage for my gt-grandparents, Joseph SALLIS and > Hannah BEMBRIDGE (even looking for alternative spellings.) On the > 1881 census they were living in Beard (or New Mills 5 miles north of > Chapel-en-le-Frith, ecclesiastic parish of St. Georges) and had a > twelve-month old daughter Ellen with them. Hannah and Ellen were > reported as born in Duffield. Joseph, age 23, was a railway signalman > and was reported as born in Severn Stoke, Worcestershire. They were > together and reported as married on all the subsequent censuses > including the 1901. Joseph died in 1909 in Glossop. They went on to > have another ten children between 1881 and 1900. Frustrating not to > be able to find a marriage that should be straight-forward. > > Lynda

Hello Geraldine, We have corresponded before and I think we worked out that we are related. My Great grandparents were James Tipper and Mary Ann Walton. Would you like to contact me off-list to discuss the link. Regards, Malcolm Holmes -----Original Message----- From: derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Geraldine Bancroft Sent: Thursday, 6 June 2013 4:59 AM To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DBY] Brickwall demolition - S & T Hi Martin The sister of my g grandfather, Mary Ann WALTON married James TIPPER on 6/6 1881 in Swadlincote, Derbys. His birth was in 1862 in Scropton - parents George & Harriett according to census info. They had 11 children both in Swadlincote and Hasland. Geraldine Bancroft Researching in Derbys: EVANS, GOODMAN, HARRISON, LEEDHAM, STATHAM, WALTON, WILTON, YEOMANS -----Original Message----- From: The Timesearcher Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 11:26 AM To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DBY] Brickwall demolition - S & T Desperately Seeking → TIPPER Any in Derbyshire and Staffordshire... please☺ Martin Jackson, in a scorching Central Portugal -----Original Message----- From: derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Charani Sent: 03 June 2013 00:00 To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [DBY] Brickwall demolition - S & T Anyone stuck on surnames beginning with S or T? -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 9.0.0.2308, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.21100) http://www.pctools.com/ ======= -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. SPAMfighter has removed 991 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len Do you have a slow PC? Try a Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 9.0.0.2308, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.21100) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

Thank you very much Sue for checking the index re Joseph Hallam and Jane. Nickie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Brown" <suegorickbrown@yahoo.co.uk> To: <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [DBY] DERBYSGEN Derbyshire Marriage Index Hi Nickie, Those are the only two Joseph Hallam and Jane marriages around that time. I've checked the card index 1760-1800 for you and nothing else. Sorry not to be able to help more. Sue >

  Hi Nickie,   Those are the only two Joseph Hallam and Jane marriages around that time. I've checked the card index 1760-1800 for you and nothing else.   Sorry not to be able to help more.   Sue   > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 16:56:06 +0100 > From: "Nickie Johnson" <nickie@barnsoft.plus.com> > Subject: [DBY] Derbyshire Marriage Index > To: <DERBYSGEN@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <2B23E7E8BC26495EBA9E6779623802DC@Nickie> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >     reply-type=original > > I'd be grateful to know if there are any more marriages between a Joseph > HALLAM and a Jane which might not yet be displayed on the online index. > There are so far two, Joseph Hallam to Jane Twigg at Snelston in 1782 and a > Derbyshire All Saints marriage 1786 of Joseph Hallam to Jane Milward. > Thanks. > Nickie > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the DERBYSGEN list administrator, send an email to > DERBYSGEN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the DERBYSGEN mailing list, send an email to > DERBYSGEN@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the > body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of DERBYSGEN Digest, Vol 8, Issue 163 > ***************************************** >  

I've been researching my family tree for 15 years and have never been able to find a marriage for my gt-grandparents, Joseph SALLIS and Hannah BEMBRIDGE (even looking for alternative spellings.) On the 1881 census they were living in Beard (or New Mills 5 miles north of Chapel-en-le-Frith, ecclesiastic parish of St. Georges) and had a twelve-month old daughter Ellen with them. Hannah and Ellen were reported as born in Duffield. Joseph, age 23, was a railway signalman and was reported as born in Severn Stoke, Worcestershire. They were together and reported as married on all the subsequent censuses including the 1901. Joseph died in 1909 in Glossop. They went on to have another ten children between 1881 and 1900. Frustrating not to be able to find a marriage that should be straight-forward. Lynda

Hi Dawn, Thank you so much for this offer - I have one which I would like checked - Ann/e SEARLE (EARLE) chr 5 Jan 1772 to Rebekah SEARLE (EARLE) at Barrow on Trent - taken from Barrow on Trent Bishops Transcripts LDS film # 0422185. Of course there might not have been a Bastardy Bond issued. Many thanks and happy hunting, Annette WATSON Lismore Australia

Hi Dawn Thank you for the offer. I have one enduring mystery which I think must involve a Bastardy case. William ANTILL was baptised 25 Apr 1781 in Spondon. However, this was as the son of Jane JOYCE. It was not until six years later that Jane married William ANTILL and although a search was made for a Bastardy Bond, the relevant page appeared to have been removed. Is there anything in your list which clarifies the situation, please? Kind regards Joy > Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 08:59:28 +1200 > From: pandora@kc.net.nz > To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DBY] Derbyshire Bastardy Cases - Lookups welcomed > There are no details as it's only an index but it gives the names of > both parties, the date, the mother's parish & a folio number. > > I'm quite happy to do look ups for anyone if you PM me, offlist preferably.

Same old brickwalls, still not demolished! Now we have William STATHAM who married Mary NORTON (chr Feb 1707/8, in Stapenhill), in Hartshorne, 15 Jul 1734. Apart from having been named as a beneficiary of her father's will, dated 20 Nov 1750, this marriage is the last reference I have found for Mary and husband William. Where did they go? Did they have any children? Or did they disappear into a puff of smoke? Any references to a William and Mary STAHAM from 1734 onwards would be gratefully received! Regards Blanche Blanche Charles (nee Norton) Wellington-Kapiti Coast New Zealand NORTON Family History Unlimited http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~blanchec/indexdby.htm

Elizabeth NORTON (chr Stapenhill 1713) married Samuel TONKINSON, but when and where? The oldest known child of Elizabeth & Samuel TONKINSON was Ann, chr in Stapenhill, 1735. A John DUNKINSON (s/o Saml & Elizabeth) was also chr in Stapenhill in 1735 - presumably the same couple...? Other known children, both chr Stapenhill, were Elizabeth (Feb 1737/8, bur 1739) and John (May 1741). Elizabeth TUNKINSON, w/o Samuel, was bur in Stapenhill in 1760. A Samuel TONKINSON m Mary BAXTER in Stapenhill in Dec 1761. (I'm assuming this is the widowed Samuel, marrying for a second time, but he could possibly be a son of Sam & Elizth).Sam & Mary had daughters Mary (1763) and Jane (11766), still in Stapenhill. This family seems to have dispersed has anybody found any further references to anybody of this name, or variants please? Regards Blanche Charles (nee Norton) Wellington-Kapiti Coast New Zealand NORTON Family History Unlimited http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~blanchec/indexdby.htm

Hi List Has anybody come across a marriage for Matthias SHEVYN (or variant spelling, which could include CHEVIN)? He was chr in Ticknall in Feb 1708/9 and married Ann (of unknown surname). Their oldest known child, Samuel, was chr in Burton on Trent in Feb 1737/8. No sign of Matthias & Ann's marriage in St Modwen's, Burton on Trent, or in Ticknall. Only two other known children to this marriage: Kezia chr 1742, and William chr 1748 - both in Ticknall, so I assume that the mysterious Ann may have died after this last birth. Ann's burial is also a mystery. I have no information about her at all, but, given that her oldest child was christened in Burton she may have come from there. She is my 5x gt-grandmother so I would dearly love to be able to put a name and some facts to her. Any help with her marriage and burial would be gratefully received. Regards Blanche Charles (nee Norton) Wellington-Kapiti Coast New Zealand NORTON Family History Unlimited http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~blanchec/indexdby.htm East Midlands General Baptist History http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~blanchec/EMidBaps.htm

I'd be grateful to know if there are any more marriages between a Joseph HALLAM and a Jane which might not yet be displayed on the online index. There are so far two, Joseph Hallam to Jane Twigg at Snelston in 1782 and a Derbyshire All Saints marriage 1786 of Joseph Hallam to Jane Milward. Thanks. Nickie

Seeing Alison's post about Bastardy Records reminded me that I have a list of the Index of Bastardy Cases in Derbyshire Quarter Sessions Order Books, it covers from Easter 1682 to Easter 1784 with a FEW 19th century cases included. There are no details as it's only an index but it gives the names of both parties, the date, the mother's parish & a folio number. I'm quite happy to do look ups for anyone if you PM me, offlist preferably. This is what it says about the index:- The mother's parish follows her name. The putative father's parish is given only when it differs from that of the mother. However, parishes were not always mentioned. the date given is that of the first year of the volume followed by /folio number/s. Thus the case may be several years later than the date in the index. Since the index was compiled, the Order Books have been put on micro fiches. Unfortunately the individual fiches are not annotated with the folio numbers covered. This can make for some difficulty in locating the entries. A copy of this index may be consulted at the Derbyshire Record Office, which also holds an index covering translation 1784 to Michaelmas 1800. It is advisable to consult the volume concerned in detail, as cases were often followed up after the child was born; or preceded by a case which was adjourned until the next sessions. Sometimes a Removal Order is later issued on the mother and/or child. "It is a wise child who knows his own father". There is no way of being sure that a man found guilty of "begetting a bastard child" on the woman accusing him is indeed the real father. However, instances have been found of couples later marrying - in one case two years after the event. I don't have the 1784 to 1800 list but I expect that is also in the Derbyshire Record Office. Cheers....Dawn ©¿©¬

 Hello James, There is a possible marriage for John at Egginton which will be in the next upload of the marriage index. Egginton PR John Stafford, Darby, & Eliz Allkins of Burton, 1699 Feb 14 Cheers, Sue http://www.derbysmarriages1538-1837.co.uk/ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 20:01:53 +0100 From: "James Stafford" <james@staffordonline.net> Subject: Re: [DBY] Brickwall demolition - S & T - William STAFFORD     b1711 To: <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <5BAF6ABA45BC41609EAE8728CFF3FB32@JamesHome> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii" Hello fellow family history researchers, My brick wall relates to which of the two William STAFFORDs, b1711 in Wirksworth and Kirk Ireton, respectively, was part of the Stafford line that spread out to London, Notts., Lincs., Yorks. and Lancs. The fathers of both Williams were called John and suitable candidates were baptised in Kirk Ireton in 1683 and 1674. Only one John STAFFORD marriage has been located (to Ann HALL in 1705). One of the Williams died in 1711 and was buried in Kirk Ireton, but the Parish Register does not provide for an explicit identification of the mother. A search of Sue Brown's very useful Derbyshire marriage index does not yield the missing marriage. Both of the putative fathers can be killed off, as can many of the two Williams' siblings; but a local burial of Ann STAFFORD has not been found. Does anyone have knowledge of another marriage for John STAFFORD around 1702 in the area? Base on the selection of children's names, his wife may have been called Ellen. It may be a red herring, but does anyone have any further knowledge of a John STAFFORD born in Kirk Ireton who appeared in the settlement records for Riseley in 1761 (from Mike Spencer's excellent site)? Could he be the John, son of John and Ann STAFFORD baptised in 1720 at Kirk Ireton? Thanks in advance for any thoughts. James -----Original Message----- From: derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Charani Sent: 03 June 2013 00:00 To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [DBY] Brickwall demolition - S & T       

Hi Martin The sister of my g grandfather, Mary Ann WALTON married James TIPPER on 6/6 1881 in Swadlincote, Derbys. His birth was in 1862 in Scropton - parents George & Harriett according to census info. They had 11 children both in Swadlincote and Hasland. Geraldine Bancroft Researching in Derbys: EVANS, GOODMAN, HARRISON, LEEDHAM, STATHAM, WALTON, WILTON, YEOMANS -----Original Message----- From: The Timesearcher Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 11:26 AM To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DBY] Brickwall demolition - S & T Desperately Seeking → TIPPER Any in Derbyshire and Staffordshire... please☺ Martin Jackson, in a scorching Central Portugal -----Original Message----- From: derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Charani Sent: 03 June 2013 00:00 To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [DBY] Brickwall demolition - S & T Anyone stuck on surnames beginning with S or T? -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello fellow family history researchers, My brick wall relates to which of the two William STAFFORDs, b1711 in Wirksworth and Kirk Ireton, respectively, was part of the Stafford line that spread out to London, Notts., Lincs., Yorks. and Lancs. The fathers of both Williams were called John and suitable candidates were baptised in Kirk Ireton in 1683 and 1674. Only one John STAFFORD marriage has been located (to Ann HALL in 1705). One of the Williams died in 1711 and was buried in Kirk Ireton, but the Parish Register does not provide for an explicit identification of the mother. A search of Sue Brown's very useful Derbyshire marriage index does not yield the missing marriage. Both of the putative fathers can be killed off, as can many of the two Williams' siblings; but a local burial of Ann STAFFORD has not been found. Does anyone have knowledge of another marriage for John STAFFORD around 1702 in the area? Base on the selection of children's names, his wife may have been called Ellen. It may be a red herring, but does anyone have any further knowledge of a John STAFFORD born in Kirk Ireton who appeared in the settlement records for Riseley in 1761 (from Mike Spencer's excellent site)? Could he be the John, son of John and Ann STAFFORD baptised in 1720 at Kirk Ireton? Thanks in advance for any thoughts. James -----Original Message----- From: derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Charani Sent: 03 June 2013 00:00 To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [DBY] Brickwall demolition - S & T Anyone stuck on surnames beginning with S or T? -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3343 / Virus Database: 3184/6378 - Release Date: 06/02/13 -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. SPAMfighter has removed 20784 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len Do you have a slow PC? Try a Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen

Hello Joan have just had a quick look - page 58 is good and its interesting to know how important lead mines were to that district and indeed to all the country - lead mining came second to wool at one time. Its really interesting. Ive also found the Census records for 1841, 1851,1861 and 1871 and made a list of the Elliott miners during these dates and other names involved and will look them up on Google after I've made the tea. Poor me! thanks again Joan ---------------------------------------- > From: joan@saxton61.fsnet.co.uk > To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 11:24:45 +0100 > Subject: Re: [DBY] Henry Elliott/Well Groove Mine. > > Hi Jo > > There's a bit of info at this website, (Peak District mining) > > http://www.pdmhs.com/ > > There's mention of a Well Grove Mine on page 59 of Ron Slack's book, which > can be downloaded from the site. > Possibly there's more info in other chapters of the book. By consulting the > map at the beginning you'll be able to see whereabouts the mine was. > > Hope this helps > > Joan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jo Elliott > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 9:09 PM > To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DBY] Henry Elliott/Well Groove Mine. > > I've just obtained a will for Henry Elliott, Wirksworth dated 1818. In it > he says: > > "Also I give and Devise unto my son Henry Elliott my share of the Well > Groove Mine in the Liberty of Wirksworth" > > I have tried to find some reference to this mine but had no success.Does > anyone have any ideas? Please. > > Jo > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message