Good afternoon, I know that there are UK incoming passenger lists covering 1878 - 1960 which are on-line. I am seeking Mary MIDDLETON who may have travelled from New York back to England somewhere between 1855 and 1858. There are no outgoing US manifests.  Are there existing UK incoming passenger lists for the mid-to-late 1850's? Thank you, Sherri from across the pond in New Jersey          

Hello Bettye While I can't help with your specific question I have a John GLEW (c1700 - 1750 & spouse unknown) but baptizing children in Duffield which seems to be where many went as St Peter's Belper wasn't built till 1824 Mary - 1716 Martha - 1718 Elizabeth - 1723 Mercy - 1730 Ellen - 1735 The last, Ellen, married John PORTER in Duffield but they lived in Belper and I am guessing that the others did too. Perhaps there is a connection with your GLEW Mel Smith Whitby, Ontario, Canada -----Original Message----- From: derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bettye Sent: June 26, 2013 8:14 PM To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [DBY] GLEW & WRIGHT Seeking parents of Joseph Glew b 24 Oct 1794 Belper and his wife, Sarah Wright b 2 Feb 1797 Duffield. Thanks, Bettye ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Seeking parents of Joseph Glew b 24 Oct 1794 Belper and his wife, Sarah Wright b 2 Feb 1797 Duffield. Thanks, Bettye

There are two Gertrude Elizabeths registered in Croydon in the 6 months or so prior to the census ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Births Jun 1880 (>99%) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- OLIVER Gertrude Elizabeth Croydon 2a 253 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Births Sep 1880 (>99%) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Aviss Gertrude Elizabeth Croydon 2a 253 I couldn't immediately find either of these girls in the 1881 Census so it's possible one could be her. Have you tried this route? Have you a marriage for the Whitworth family you have found in 1881? Even if you can eliminate them you have moved forward. Just random thoughts of what I would do, but you've probably already had these thoughts. Meg Galley-Taylor   -----Original Message----- From: derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of derbysgen-request@rootsweb.com Sent: 26 June 2013 08:01 To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: DERBYSGEN Digest, Vol 8, Issue 182 When replying always change the subject line to that of the individual message which you are responding to. Please "SNIP" generously, don't repeat everything again. Including everything will inflate the size of the next Digest unnecessarily and could create problems for those who are not on broadband. Today's Topics: 1. Re: Brickwall Demolition - V & W (Carolyn Hastings) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 11:41:13 -0400 From: Carolyn Hastings <carolynhastings4@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [DBY] Brickwall Demolition - V & W To: "derbysgen@rootsweb.com" <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <CAKGWz1_TXLRFbFPz1ZAo0inTCeHsmFiC=7t42bXm4X0Q0eBEiA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I thought I had sent this, but it got stuck in drafts! Maybe I could claim she was Getrude Xwhitworth? Yes! The Great, Immovable Brick Wall of our family! My husband's paternal grandmother claimed, at her wedding in 1901, that she was Gertrude Elizabeth Whitworth, and said she was 20 years of age. She listed Frederick Whitworth, traveller, as her father, when she married Samuel Slinn of Ashover. The wedding took place in Kirk Ireton, and our family knows of no connection there. Over the years in various years of census, Gertrude Elizabeth also said she was Elizabeth Gertrude (she was known as Gertrude within the family) and listed various locales as her birthplace -- Shropshire (1901 census) and Lancashire (Blackburn; 1911 census) for two. She was apparently an illegitimate daughter of a Frenchman from London whose last name was LeFloret (or some variation of that spelling). Of course, he was a nobleman (indeed, aren't they all??) My MIL saw correspondence from the lawyer of said gentleman, who provided her (Gertrude) with a lifetime annuity. It was also said within the family that Gertrude's mother later married a Birmingham butcher (naturally paid off by the same gentleman) by the name of Wormleaton. She had a sister who was called Polly, but so far I have found no trace of Polly. In 1881 the census reports an Elizabeth, daughter of Mary and Frederick Whitworth, in Croydon, age 6 mos. I don't see a birth certificate on Free BMD. That is about all I know of this lady, but I frankly think she managed to completely reinvent herself. I don't say that unkindly, simply from frustration in knocking my head against this brick wall. If anyone has any suggestions that I might pursue, or has any information, we would love to hear about it. Carolyn Carolyn Hastings Stow, MA On Jun 16, 2013, at 8:36 AM, Charani <charani.b@gmail.com> wrote: > Anyone with surnames beginning V and/or W they are stuck on? > > You may not get anywhere immediately, but if your query is "out > there", someone will find it. > > As usual my Vs and Ws are either not Derbyshire or are post WWI. > > Over to you. > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, > Greinton and Clutton, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the DERBYSGEN list administrator, send an email to DERBYSGEN-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the DERBYSGEN mailing list, send an email to DERBYSGEN@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of DERBYSGEN Digest, Vol 8, Issue 182 *****************************************

I thought I had sent this, but it got stuck in drafts! Maybe I could claim she was Getrude Xwhitworth? Yes! The Great, Immovable Brick Wall of our family! My husband's paternal grandmother claimed, at her wedding in 1901, that she was Gertrude Elizabeth Whitworth, and said she was 20 years of age. She listed Frederick Whitworth, traveller, as her father, when she married Samuel Slinn of Ashover. The wedding took place in Kirk Ireton, and our family knows of no connection there. Over the years in various years of census, Gertrude Elizabeth also said she was Elizabeth Gertrude (she was known as Gertrude within the family) and listed various locales as her birthplace -- Shropshire (1901 census) and Lancashire (Blackburn; 1911 census) for two. She was apparently an illegitimate daughter of a Frenchman from London whose last name was LeFloret (or some variation of that spelling). Of course, he was a nobleman (indeed, aren't they all??) My MIL saw correspondence from the lawyer of said gentleman, who provided her (Gertrude) with a lifetime annuity. It was also said within the family that Gertrude's mother later married a Birmingham butcher (naturally paid off by the same gentleman) by the name of Wormleaton. She had a sister who was called Polly, but so far I have found no trace of Polly. In 1881 the census reports an Elizabeth, daughter of Mary and Frederick Whitworth, in Croydon, age 6 mos. I don't see a birth certificate on Free BMD. That is about all I know of this lady, but I frankly think she managed to completely reinvent herself. I don't say that unkindly, simply from frustration in knocking my head against this brick wall. If anyone has any suggestions that I might pursue, or has any information, we would love to hear about it. Carolyn Carolyn Hastings Stow, MA On Jun 16, 2013, at 8:36 AM, Charani <charani.b@gmail.com> wrote: > Anyone with surnames beginning V and/or W they are stuck on? > > You may not get anywhere immediately, but if your query is "out > there", someone will find it. > > As usual my Vs and Ws are either not Derbyshire or are post WWI. > > Over to you. > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, > Greinton and Clutton, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mike Morris wrote: > Charani your all heart...................... > > I have heard of a Miss X in a court case......................................... :)) :D I know, my generousity overwhelms me sometimes LOL There is just one name beginning with X in Derbyshire. If no one lays claim that person, you get the prize :) There are over 100 births between 1850 and 1950 primarily in the south east of England but with a scattering elsewhere of people with X...... surnames. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Last one :)) Whenever I expect no one to have many names, you all find loads, and vice versa. Anyone with problem ancestors with surnames beginning X, Y or Z? (A month's free sub to any Rootsweb mailing list of your choice for anyone with a surname beginning X <G> -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Charani your all heart...................... I have heard of a Miss X in a court case.........................................  :)) Mike Morris Toronto Canada ----- Original Message ----- > From: Charani <charani.b@gmail.com> > To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 4:12:50 AM > Subject: [DBY] Brickwall Demolition - X, Y & Z > > Last one :)) > > Whenever I expect no one to have many names, you all find loads, and > vice versa. > > Anyone with problem ancestors with surnames beginning X, Y or Z?  (A > month's free sub to any Rootsweb mailing list of your choice for > anyone with a surname beginning X <G> > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton,  Ashcott, Shapwick, > Greinton and Clutton, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My Friends live at Sterndale Moor, Buxton on the Ashbourne Rd, We met an elderly Gentleman a few days ago who told us that this area was once called Nigger Hill and China Town. Could anybody please give us any information on this area. I believe it was once owned by the ICI. 

Hello Frank Thank you for your offer. Regards Dave

Hi all My two Brick Walls are with Elizabeth WOOTINDAL and Martha BUNTING James BRELSFORTH(d) (b 1723 Normanton, Derbys.) marries Martha BUNTING (b 1727 Peak Forest Derbyshire) in 1748 Peak Forest. Martha was the daughter of Christopher BUNTING and Elizabeth SIDDON who married 1712 in Pleasley. Elizabeth SIDDON b 1687 in Pleasley was the daughter of (Sihn)John SIDON and Elizabeth WOOTINDAL who married 1686 again in Pleasley. If I have the correct parents for Martha, then Elizabeth becomes a mystery that I cannot unravel. Does anyone have access to the parish records in Pleasely and would be wiiling to try and decifer the (bad) writing and let me know her true surname? If I do not have the correct parents for Martha, then does anyone have access to the Peak Forest Parish Records who would be willing to check the marriage of Martha for any clues as to her "real" parents? John SIDON and Elizabeth Wootindal are my (potential) 8th Great Grandparents. Thanking you in anticipation that someone can help demolish this long standing wall. Janet

Hello Listers A combination of Family Search and FindMyPast  has a record for the marriage of Samuel BARBER to Mary WOOD on  01 January 1847 at Littlemoor Chapel, Glossop. Does anyone have access to the Parish Register to give me other details like fathers names and witnesses to prove that Samuel is one of my ancestors? Thank you Dave Barber from North Devon

I will keep my eye on this site, if you don't get a reply before Tuesday Next I can get a copy of the image on the GSU film 2081087 shown in Family Search Frank Utah USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave barber" <dav.barber@btinternet.com> To: <DERBYSGEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 12:04 PM Subject: [DBY] Marriage of Samuel BARBER in 1847 at Littlemoor Chapel,Glossop Hello Listers A combination of Family Search and FindMyPast has a record for the marriage of Samuel BARBER to Mary WOOD on 01 January 1847 at Littlemoor Chapel, Glossop. Does anyone have access to the Parish Register to give me other details like fathers names and witnesses to prove that Samuel is one of my ancestors? Thank you Dave Barber from North Devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Afternoon all Just to say I have updated BMD records for names beginning with O Shortly I will be adding some of the photographic records which have recently come into my possession. Although a lover of old photographs I have had a 'heavy nudge' to include newer photographs as these are still 'historic" and of interest. I have taken this nudge on board and when I have finished limping will add more recent ones to the site. A query: Is any member a descendent of James Bunting (c1818 Cromford) and Elizabeth Potter (c1819 Cromford). I may have some Bunting details of interest for one of the lines Peter

Ann Taylor was the mother of Ann Wheatcroft, the latter went on to marry Robert Hawksley in 1872. Ann Taylor was the wife of Joseph Wheatcroft. Any further info about the wheatcrofts please email me at wheatcroft@one-name.org and I will be happy to help if i can. June. If a thought came into my head it would die of loneliness -----Original Message----- From: MAVIS JOHNSON Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 7:15 PM To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [DBY] Fw: Query - W - Ann Wheatcroft b 1816 Crich - or was she aTaylor ? Does anyone recognise this lady and her parents please? 1871 census at Church Lane, S. Wingfield, Ann Hawkesley is aged 55, b. Crich, the wife of William Hawkesley, 56, Colliery Labr. b. S. Wingfield with them are William Wheatcroft, son in law, 27, Unmarried, coal miner, b. Crich Ann Wheatcroft, dau in law, 20, Unmarried, Cotton Factory Hand, b. Crich and a Lodger, John Kay, 26, Un. coal miner, b. Ashton, Lancashire. This would suggest that Ann had been a widow and remarried to Wm. Hawksley after his first wife Elizabeth (b Sheffield c 1823) dies between 1861 and 1871 - she may have been nee WALKER. 1881 census at Church Lane, S. Wiingfield, William Hawkesley, H. M. 68 Labourer at Coal Wharf, Ann Hawkesley, Wife, M. 65, b. Crich William TAYLOR. Stepson, Un 37, Colliery Labourer, b. Lowdham. I am researching all three surnames as part of my ancestry. TAYLORS of S. Wingfield - my. gt. grandfather Emmanuel b. 1835 SW was an Engine Driver at the Pithead and moved through Huthwaite, Skegby, Somercotes into Radford Nottingham where he died in 1921. His dau Elizabeth, my paternal grandmother, b 1867 Skegby, married Richard GARTON in Nottingham. They are distantly related to the GARTONs at Lumsdale, Matlock. I have evidence that some TAYLORS from S.W. did live in Lowdham Nottingham and I believe the William b.c. 1844, in the censuses is the same person, but can find no evidence of his baptism or of a marriage of Ann TAYLOR to Unknown WHEATCROFT. William and his sister Ann bc 1851, may, of course, be illegimate. CUTTS, John married Hannah WHEATCROFT at Crich and they became Wharfingers in Nottingham. KEY/KAY - the mother of Richard GARTON was an Ann KEY/KAY born 1826 Fritchley. All these families were Non Conformists and BMDs have been difficult to trace. The families are known to have inter-married in the S.W. Crich and Cromford areas. Can anyone throw light on this anomaly please? Thank you Mavis, roin Somerset. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone recognise this lady and her parents please? 1871 census at Church Lane, S. Wingfield,  Ann Hawkesley is aged 55, b. Crich, the wife of William Hawkesley, 56, Colliery Labr. b. S. Wingfield  with them are  William Wheatcroft, son in law, 27, Unmarried, coal miner, b. Crich Ann Wheatcroft, dau in law, 20, Unmarried, Cotton Factory Hand, b. Crich and a Lodger, John Kay, 26, Un. coal miner, b. Ashton, Lancashire. This would suggest that Ann had been a widow and remarried to Wm. Hawksley after his first wife Elizabeth (b Sheffield c 1823) dies between 1861 and 1871 - she may have been nee WALKER. 1881 census at Church Lane, S. Wiingfield, William Hawkesley, H. M.  68 Labourer at Coal Wharf, Ann Hawkesley, Wife, M. 65, b. Crich William TAYLOR. Stepson, Un 37, Colliery Labourer, b. Lowdham. I am researching all three surnames as part of my ancestry. TAYLORS of S. Wingfield - my. gt. grandfather Emmanuel b. 1835 SW was an Engine Driver at the Pithead and moved through Huthwaite, Skegby, Somercotes into Radford Nottingham where he died in 1921.     His dau Elizabeth, my paternal grandmother, b 1867 Skegby, married Richard GARTON in Nottingham.     They are distantly related to the GARTONs at Lumsdale, Matlock. I have evidence that some TAYLORS from S.W. did live in Lowdham Nottingham and I believe the William b.c. 1844, in the censuses is the same person, but can find no evidence of his baptism or of a marriage of Ann TAYLOR to Unknown WHEATCROFT. William and his sister Ann bc 1851, may, of course, be illegimate. CUTTS, John married Hannah WHEATCROFT at Crich and they became Wharfingers in Nottingham.    KEY/KAY - the mother of Richard GARTON was an Ann KEY/KAY born 1826 Fritchley. All these families were Non Conformists and BMDs have been difficult to trace.    The families are known to have inter-married in the S.W. Crich and Cromford areas. Can anyone throw light on this anomaly please? Thank you Mavis, roin Somerset.

Maisie, The WHITEHEAD in Oldham may be a branch of the well-known family originating in Saddleworth. I have some links to that family but no Derbyshire links with it. Eric

My brick wall is William WHITEHEAD.   I believe he was born in or near Woodseats, Derbyshire, around 1791.  As yet I haven't been able to find a baptism which really fits although there is one at  St Mary, Oldham which is thirty miles away - seems rather a long way but the mother's name is Martha and he did name a child Martha.  This is as much as I know so far. William married Elizabeth TAYLOR on 3rd December at Dronfield. As I have not seen the parish entry I do not know who the witnesses were.  Her baptism was possibly at Dronfield on 23rd Oct 1786,  to father George,  but this has not been verified yet. William and Elizabeth had ten children beginning with George in 1811 - a possible baptism is at Dronfield - 18th May 1811 (so before the marriage) but no mother in the transcription so can't be sure its the correct George. They followed with John, 1814; Sarah, 1815; Lydia, 1818; Mary 1820 (she married George Stacey my great great grandfather)  ; William, 1823; Ann, 1826; Elizabeth, 1827; Martha. 1829; Allen, 1836.  All baptised at St James' Norton except I have not traced a baptism for Allen. Both Elizabeth and William died in 1847 and are buried at Norton St James - frustratingly before the census which would give birthplace I would really like to find out more about where William came from and who his parents were - any help on this line would be fantastic. thanks Sue -----  ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3345 / Virus Database: 3199/6415 - Release Date: 06/16/13 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have been trying to trace my family back through the female line for a long time now... The above [ I think]was the mother of Mary Ann born 1821, age 21, Leicester who married Henry Webster 23 engineer born Derby.1818 . [my great grandmother]. I have the 1861 census which gives the Webster family living in the parish of All Saints Leicester 31 Blake St. with sons living there, John Henry born 1848, Joseph born 1850. with daughter Mary Ann living as house servant in Dalby Parva, born 1843 unmarried age 18. who might be my G grandmother, later married to Roger Marriott of Ticknall in 1869. even this section of the family became confusing as G. grandmother M.A. goes off the map - I coudnt find a death.. and it looks as though Henry might have married again very quickly and had several more children. A lodger in the family, Elizabeth Marriott with son might have become his 2nd wife. I ve become thoroughly confused over the last few years trying to sort them out. I tried to get information from Leic. Office but didnt get evn a reply. hoping you can help !. other interests, Sidney Swift [infant at Alma Selston, around 1905 for 7 years. sincerely, Maisie Margetts /Marriott

Hi Blanche My STATHAMs came from Normanton-le-Heath, Leics, to Measham, Leics & Derbys and Church Gresley but some of them lived in Stanton and were baptised in Stapenhill in the early 1800s. Unfortunately I can't see any connection!! Regards Geraldine Bancroft Researching in Derbys: EVANS, GOODMAN, HARRISON, LEEDHAM, STATHAM, WALTON, WILTON, YEOMANS -----Original Message----- From: Blanche Charles Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 11:12 AM To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [DBY] Brickwall demolition - S for STATHAM Same old brickwalls, still not demolished! Now we have William STATHAM who married Mary NORTON (chr Feb 1707/8, in Stapenhill), in Hartshorne, 15 Jul 1734. Apart from having been named as a beneficiary of her father's will, dated 20 Nov 1750, this marriage is the last reference I have found for Mary and husband William. Where did they go? Did they have any children? Or did they disappear into a puff of smoke? Any references to a William and Mary STAHAM from 1734 onwards would be gratefully received! Regards Blanche Blanche Charles (nee Norton) Wellington-Kapiti Coast New Zealand NORTON Family History Unlimited http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~blanchec/indexdby.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message