Adele Pentony-Graham wrote: > I was on a wonderful website this morning here in NZ. ANGLICAN > CLERGY site, came across a Margaret Raines born Bonsall Derbyshire.. > married to THOMAS RUSSELL.. its a wonderful site to browse through > over 1450 names.. the site it done by Rev Michael Blain of > Wellington.NZ. So anyone looking for Margaret marrying Thomas... > lists all were he was.. am often on this site.... What's the URL of the site? -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

While looking for some of my South African ancestors, this name, FRANCES BOWER DUGMORE born RICHARDSON came up with a place of birth as "Derbyshire". The Estate correspondence can be found here -- https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-34993-443-54?cc=2037006&wc=M9QT-3PZ:479183439 This link should give you the Death Notice with details of her husband, children, age, residence etc. (the first one is hand written but carry on through the 15 images and you'll find a legible one without straining!). Plus a whole lot of other info including the cause of death, place of death etc. It doesn't seem to link into my tree at the moment, maybe she belongs to someone! Rose Kelland www.rosescountryrose.blogspot.com www.livesandtimesofbella.blogspot.com

Thanks to everyone on the list who responded to my query about brickmaking in Derby - all the information sent was interesting and I now have several leads to follow up. Brickworks are familiar to me though I associate them with the flatness of the Fens, because I lived many years in Yaxley near Peterborough close to the Fletton brickworks. In a huge area on one side of our village were the flat low buildings and tall slim chimneys of the works, with railway lines running past too - an absolute picture! My guess is that the large brickworks areas shown to the west of Derby in 19th century maps looked pretty similar. The REDFERN family of my cousin in Brisbane, moved from Measham to Derby in the early 19th century, so perhaps went from Leics to Derbys brickworks, and the family left en masse (apart from two oldest daughters who were married) for Victoria in 1870. Another researcher's transcription of the passenger manifest suggests that father Joseph and his oldest son gave their occupation as wheelwrights which doesn't seem likely as a career-change to me, considering the apprenticeship needed for wheelwrighting. I wonder if wheelwrights were in more demand than brickmakers in Victoria? The family didn't go on an "assisted passage" and we can't help but wonder where the money came from for the trip! If anyone shares an interest in these REDFERNs, it would be great to talk. Meanwhile, I shall continue to search for the elusive history of Derby brickmaking - perhaps there's something hiding at Matlock or Derby Local Studies. Celia Renshaw in Chesterfield UK

There's a fascinating article at http://www.rushdenheritage.co.uk/education/Education%20Act%201902.html about the passive resistance campaign in Rushden in Northamptonshire- out of area I know, but much the same must have happened in Derbyshire. Huge numbers of people were involved. The resister's goods were seized & sold, when they wouldn't pay the tax. The sales of goods were huge affairs, and in many cases, the resisters bought their own goods back each time. The whole thing gradually dwindled but really only stopped, as with the suffragettes, with the outbreak of war in 1914. This has made me wonder if my ancestors were involved, as they were Methodists. Another line of research to pursue! Margaret -----Original Message----- From: derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rose Kelland Sent: 29 July 2013 08:45 To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DBY] Passive Resisters - Matlock Ah, thanks Margaret! That makes sense now!! Rose On 28 July 2013 23:31, Margaret Siudek <msiudek@talktalk.net> wrote: > They were "passive resisters" to the introduction of Education Taxes. These meant all tax-payers contributing to religious schools - both Anglican and Roman Catholic scrolls. The non-conformists listed would object to their taxes being used for these purposes. > > There was a massive campaign against the tax- similar to that of the suffragettes, with recusants -tax refusers - being imprisoned repeatedly. > > Many, as evidenced by this article - were otherwise pillars of their local community. > > Sent from my iPad > > On 28 Jul 2013, at 23:03, Rose Kelland <rekelland@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Derby Daily Telegraph Thursday 7 September 1905 >> >> "PASSIVE RESISTERS >> Another batch at Matlock >> On Wednesday at Matlock 15 passive resistance cases were heard. The >> defendants were all prominent residents as follows: Rev JAMES BURTON, >> the Primitive Methodist superintendent minister; Rev R.A. FOSTER, >> Congregational minister; Mrs ESTHER STEVENS (sister of Sir George >> Newnes), FREDERICK H. DRABBLE, E. DRABBLE, D.M. WILDGOOSE, Coun J.W. >> WILDGOOSE, W. LILL, H. STOCKER, E. SAMUEL, sen and jun, J.L. DEAN, >> JOSEPH ASH, WALTER SLATER, and THOS GELDART. Mr ERNEST DRABBLE >> (Secretary of the local league) introduced the Rev R.A. FOSTER as >> spokesman for the whole of the defendants. >> >> The Rev R.A. FOSTER said the Education Act offered to them insuperable >> objections, and it had produced 60,000 objections, a many >> imprisonments, and a revolt in Wales, and it would go down to history >> as being due to injustice. >> >> The Bench thanked the deputation for the defendants, and said they had >> nothing to do but to administer the law, and the usual distraint would >> be made, one warrant for the lot being granted." >> >> Please excuse my ignorance, but this newspaper is dated 1905, so what >> is their passive resistance about?! >> >> JOSEPH ASH, when put alongside the Primitive Methodist Superintendent >> and the other church minister, would have been my maternal Great >> Grandad. He was born 24 March 1856 in Matlock to William & Eliza Ash >> (nee HAYES). He married CLARA TURNER on 28 June 1879 at the >> Superintenden'ts Register Office in Bakewell, and they had two >> children: MAUD LYDIA born 1879 and EDITH born 1880. Clara was buried >> on 27 December 1881 at Matlock Bank. JOSEPH then married EMMA SLATER >> on 28 March 1885 at the Primitive Methodist Chapel on Matlock Bank. >> Joseph & Emma had 4 children: FREDERICK born 20 May 1886; GERTRUDE >> EMMA born 30 March 1888, WALTER (my grandfather) born 30 Sep 1889; and >> BERTHA ANNIE born 6 October 1893. >> >> My mother wrote this about the Methodist stance in WW2 concerning my father: >> >> "During the war, the Methodist church took a pacifist stance, although >> everyone could decide for himself according to his conscience >> regarding joining the forces. A senior minister in the Methodist >> circuit persuaded a number of the young men to be pacifists (against >> the killing of human beings despite the country of origin, on >> Scriptural grounds). They all had to attend a tribunal and answer >> many questions." My father volunteered to go down the coal mines, >> but the doctor wouldn't sign him off as healthy enough, so he ended up >> working in the timber industry for the duration of the war. >> >> In the newspaper article, D.M. WILDGOOSE is Davis Mark WILDGOOSE, son >> of JOHN & RACHEL WILDGOOSE (nee Davis), bap 27 June 1858, died 23 Aug >> 1937. >> >> J.W. WILDOOGSE is JOHN WILLIAM WILDGOOSE, Davis Mark's brother; born >> 20 Feb 1862 died 28 Apr 1923. >> >> E. SMAUEL sen & jun may be EDWARD SAMUEL born 1850 Blunham, Beds and >> his son EDWARD SAMUEL bap 4 Apr 1878 Chesterfield who married JOSEPH >> ASH's daughter MAUD LYDIA. >> >> WALTER SLATER may have been my G G Uncle, son of JAMES SLATER & GRACE >> nee ASHTON. born 15 Sep 1856 Matlock died 19 Aug 1932. >> >> >> >> >> Rose Kelland >> www.rosescountryrose.blogspot.com >> www.livesandtimesofbella.blogspot.com >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Rose Kelland www.rosescountryrose.blogspot.com www.livesandtimesofbella.blogspot.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bernard, I will need to write to you off-forum as there is a mile of ARGYLE info out there. Firstly the name changes quite a fair bit, it goes through ARGYLE, ARGILE, ARGILL, ORGILL, ORGYLE, ORGILE and seems to start - on my line anyway - from a Richard ORGILL , MA. who was a Vicar on the Staffs/Derbys border, in the early 1600s. It comes down through Alfreton, West Hallam, Heanor, Pentrich, Heage. There was a William ARGYLE lived in Padley Hall at Ripley, the house can be seen from one of the 'A' roads, and ARGYLES lived in Heage Hall - where it was reputed that it was not safe for travellers to pass by there in the dark....murders and disappearances had occurred in the area.... There used to be a fanciful story about William ARGYLE at Padley Hall and being related to Robin Hood on the internet- but I think you can discount that one. The are many ARGYLE wills available at Lichfield, and at the Derby Local Studies Library an early family tree was found in the ARGYLE box while searching AGARD ones, by a Patrick Smith who used to be on this forum - an excellent researcher. We had put together a family line from parish registers, wills, maps etc and Hurray!! - we agreed with the pedigree in the box. A side-line member of the ARGYLE family came to Melbourne, where the line went into farming, early x-rays, and politics. Will contact you. Hilary Thomas also researching AGARD, BLACKER, CARRINGTON, CLAY, ELEY, FORD, GOULD, HATFIELD, HELKIN, KIRKLAND, LITCHFIELD, MILLWARD, MORLEY, RILEY, SLATER, all in Derbyshire Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 12:14:43 +0100 (BST) From: BERNARD PEARCE <bpfamilyhistory@btinternet.com> Subject: [DBY] ARGILE To: "derbysgen@rootsweb.com" <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1375010083.41225.YahooMailNeo@web87701.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Hilary, I joined this forum a few days ago as I am helping an elderly neighbour to find her ancestors some of which hail from Derbyshire. One of the family names is ARGILE so you can imagine my delight when I read your latest posting. I have followed the ARGILE family back through the Censuses from up here in Yorkshire to Alfreton where I found ANN ELIZABETH, daughter of GEORGE ARGILE (as stated on her marriage entry) born in 1846 (Findmypast as transcribed by the derbyshire FHS). I then found a marriage, again in Alfreton and again on Findmypast, between GEORGE ARGILE and ANN NEAL 1843. I also found a death entry for ANN ARGILE aged 23 in 1846, same registration district (Belper) so my theory is ANN died in childbirth as I cannot find her on the 1851 Census. George is living as a lodger in Leicestershire. I am a helper at the PontefractLDS and one of the other helpers has family ties in Derbyshire so he has offered to go to the Archives when next he visits ( could be some time though) and see if there is a Baptism for ANN ELIZABETH with GEORGE as the father. Several people on ANCESTRY have this family of ARGILE but they all have the father as WILLIAM a Farmer when the marriage entry clearly states GEORGE, Engineer. I believe they are on the wrong track, but then again I may be the one that is wrong. I am trying to keep costs down as Mrs Bown is in her 90s and obviously on a pension otherwise I would have sent for the certificates to prove my points. Any help would be gratefully appreciated. Bernard Pearce in Pontefract From: Peter Lee <gwil_lee@msn.com> Subject: Re: [DBY] ARGILE To: "BERNARD PEARCE" <bpfamilyhistory@btinternet.com>, <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <DUB121-DS1342DDD793392F4DB02B5AE3540@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Just a comment; Argile is the French for Clay and there are a number of Clay families in Eastern Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire. Peter

Thanks Nirvard, the link was very useful. I've added this story to my WILDGOOSE, SLATER & ASH & SAMUEL family's stories! Rose On 28 July 2013 23:28, Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Rose > > I believe it was resistance to the 1902 Education Act > > Which they thought was handing to much power to the Church of England > > See > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_Act_1902 > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 28/07/2013 23:03, Rose Kelland wrote: >> Derby Daily Telegraph Thursday 7 September 1905 >> >> "PASSIVE RESISTERS >> Another batch at Matlock >> On Wednesday at Matlock 15 passive resistance cases were heard. The >> defendants were all prominent residents as follows: Rev JAMES BURTON, >> the Primitive Methodist superintendent minister; Rev R.A. FOSTER, >> Congregational minister; Mrs ESTHER STEVENS (sister of Sir George >> Newnes), FREDERICK H. DRABBLE, E. DRABBLE, D.M. WILDGOOSE, Coun J.W. >> WILDGOOSE, W. LILL, H. STOCKER, E. SAMUEL, sen and jun, J.L. DEAN, >> JOSEPH ASH, WALTER SLATER, and THOS GELDART. Mr ERNEST DRABBLE >> (Secretary of the local league) introduced the Rev R.A. FOSTER as >> spokesman for the whole of the defendants. >> >> The Rev R.A. FOSTER said the Education Act offered to them insuperable >> objections, and it had produced 60,000 objections, a many >> imprisonments, and a revolt in Wales, and it would go down to history >> as being due to injustice. >> >> The Bench thanked the deputation for the defendants, and said they had >> nothing to do but to administer the law, and the usual distraint would >> be made, one warrant for the lot being granted." >> >> Please excuse my ignorance, but this newspaper is dated 1905, so what >> is their passive resistance about?! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Rose Kelland www.rosescountryrose.blogspot.com www.livesandtimesofbella.blogspot.com

Ah, thanks Margaret! That makes sense now!! Rose On 28 July 2013 23:31, Margaret Siudek <msiudek@talktalk.net> wrote: > They were "passive resisters" to the introduction of Education Taxes. These meant all tax-payers contributing to religious schools - both Anglican and Roman Catholic scrolls. The non-conformists listed would object to their taxes being used for these purposes. > > There was a massive campaign against the tax- similar to that of the suffragettes, with recusants -tax refusers - being imprisoned repeatedly. > > Many, as evidenced by this article - were otherwise pillars of their local community. > > Sent from my iPad > > On 28 Jul 2013, at 23:03, Rose Kelland <rekelland@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Derby Daily Telegraph Thursday 7 September 1905 >> >> "PASSIVE RESISTERS >> Another batch at Matlock >> On Wednesday at Matlock 15 passive resistance cases were heard. The >> defendants were all prominent residents as follows: Rev JAMES BURTON, >> the Primitive Methodist superintendent minister; Rev R.A. FOSTER, >> Congregational minister; Mrs ESTHER STEVENS (sister of Sir George >> Newnes), FREDERICK H. DRABBLE, E. DRABBLE, D.M. WILDGOOSE, Coun J.W. >> WILDGOOSE, W. LILL, H. STOCKER, E. SAMUEL, sen and jun, J.L. DEAN, >> JOSEPH ASH, WALTER SLATER, and THOS GELDART. Mr ERNEST DRABBLE >> (Secretary of the local league) introduced the Rev R.A. FOSTER as >> spokesman for the whole of the defendants. >> >> The Rev R.A. FOSTER said the Education Act offered to them insuperable >> objections, and it had produced 60,000 objections, a many >> imprisonments, and a revolt in Wales, and it would go down to history >> as being due to injustice. >> >> The Bench thanked the deputation for the defendants, and said they had >> nothing to do but to administer the law, and the usual distraint would >> be made, one warrant for the lot being granted." >> >> Please excuse my ignorance, but this newspaper is dated 1905, so what >> is their passive resistance about?! >> >> JOSEPH ASH, when put alongside the Primitive Methodist Superintendent >> and the other church minister, would have been my maternal Great >> Grandad. He was born 24 March 1856 in Matlock to William & Eliza Ash >> (nee HAYES). He married CLARA TURNER on 28 June 1879 at the >> Superintenden'ts Register Office in Bakewell, and they had two >> children: MAUD LYDIA born 1879 and EDITH born 1880. Clara was buried >> on 27 December 1881 at Matlock Bank. JOSEPH then married EMMA SLATER >> on 28 March 1885 at the Primitive Methodist Chapel on Matlock Bank. >> Joseph & Emma had 4 children: FREDERICK born 20 May 1886; GERTRUDE >> EMMA born 30 March 1888, WALTER (my grandfather) born 30 Sep 1889; and >> BERTHA ANNIE born 6 October 1893. >> >> My mother wrote this about the Methodist stance in WW2 concerning my father: >> >> "During the war, the Methodist church took a pacifist stance, although >> everyone could decide for himself according to his conscience >> regarding joining the forces. A senior minister in the Methodist >> circuit persuaded a number of the young men to be pacifists (against >> the killing of human beings despite the country of origin, on >> Scriptural grounds). They all had to attend a tribunal and answer >> many questions." My father volunteered to go down the coal mines, >> but the doctor wouldn't sign him off as healthy enough, so he ended up >> working in the timber industry for the duration of the war. >> >> In the newspaper article, D.M. WILDGOOSE is Davis Mark WILDGOOSE, son >> of JOHN & RACHEL WILDGOOSE (nee Davis), bap 27 June 1858, died 23 Aug >> 1937. >> >> J.W. WILDOOGSE is JOHN WILLIAM WILDGOOSE, Davis Mark's brother; born >> 20 Feb 1862 died 28 Apr 1923. >> >> E. SMAUEL sen & jun may be EDWARD SAMUEL born 1850 Blunham, Beds and >> his son EDWARD SAMUEL bap 4 Apr 1878 Chesterfield who married JOSEPH >> ASH's daughter MAUD LYDIA. >> >> WALTER SLATER may have been my G G Uncle, son of JAMES SLATER & GRACE >> nee ASHTON. born 15 Sep 1856 Matlock died 19 Aug 1932. >> >> >> >> >> Rose Kelland >> www.rosescountryrose.blogspot.com >> www.livesandtimesofbella.blogspot.com >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Rose Kelland www.rosescountryrose.blogspot.com www.livesandtimesofbella.blogspot.com

They were "passive resisters" to the introduction of Education Taxes. These meant all tax-payers contributing to religious schools - both Anglican and Roman Catholic scrolls. The non-conformists listed would object to their taxes being used for these purposes. There was a massive campaign against the tax- similar to that of the suffragettes, with recusants -tax refusers - being imprisoned repeatedly. Many, as evidenced by this article - were otherwise pillars of their local community. Sent from my iPad On 28 Jul 2013, at 23:03, Rose Kelland <rekelland@gmail.com> wrote: > Derby Daily Telegraph Thursday 7 September 1905 > > "PASSIVE RESISTERS > Another batch at Matlock > On Wednesday at Matlock 15 passive resistance cases were heard. The > defendants were all prominent residents as follows: Rev JAMES BURTON, > the Primitive Methodist superintendent minister; Rev R.A. FOSTER, > Congregational minister; Mrs ESTHER STEVENS (sister of Sir George > Newnes), FREDERICK H. DRABBLE, E. DRABBLE, D.M. WILDGOOSE, Coun J.W. > WILDGOOSE, W. LILL, H. STOCKER, E. SAMUEL, sen and jun, J.L. DEAN, > JOSEPH ASH, WALTER SLATER, and THOS GELDART. Mr ERNEST DRABBLE > (Secretary of the local league) introduced the Rev R.A. FOSTER as > spokesman for the whole of the defendants. > > The Rev R.A. FOSTER said the Education Act offered to them insuperable > objections, and it had produced 60,000 objections, a many > imprisonments, and a revolt in Wales, and it would go down to history > as being due to injustice. > > The Bench thanked the deputation for the defendants, and said they had > nothing to do but to administer the law, and the usual distraint would > be made, one warrant for the lot being granted." > > Please excuse my ignorance, but this newspaper is dated 1905, so what > is their passive resistance about?! > > JOSEPH ASH, when put alongside the Primitive Methodist Superintendent > and the other church minister, would have been my maternal Great > Grandad. He was born 24 March 1856 in Matlock to William & Eliza Ash > (nee HAYES). He married CLARA TURNER on 28 June 1879 at the > Superintenden'ts Register Office in Bakewell, and they had two > children: MAUD LYDIA born 1879 and EDITH born 1880. Clara was buried > on 27 December 1881 at Matlock Bank. JOSEPH then married EMMA SLATER > on 28 March 1885 at the Primitive Methodist Chapel on Matlock Bank. > Joseph & Emma had 4 children: FREDERICK born 20 May 1886; GERTRUDE > EMMA born 30 March 1888, WALTER (my grandfather) born 30 Sep 1889; and > BERTHA ANNIE born 6 October 1893. > > My mother wrote this about the Methodist stance in WW2 concerning my father: > > "During the war, the Methodist church took a pacifist stance, although > everyone could decide for himself according to his conscience > regarding joining the forces. A senior minister in the Methodist > circuit persuaded a number of the young men to be pacifists (against > the killing of human beings despite the country of origin, on > Scriptural grounds). They all had to attend a tribunal and answer > many questions." My father volunteered to go down the coal mines, > but the doctor wouldn't sign him off as healthy enough, so he ended up > working in the timber industry for the duration of the war. > > In the newspaper article, D.M. WILDGOOSE is Davis Mark WILDGOOSE, son > of JOHN & RACHEL WILDGOOSE (nee Davis), bap 27 June 1858, died 23 Aug > 1937. > > J.W. WILDOOGSE is JOHN WILLIAM WILDGOOSE, Davis Mark's brother; born > 20 Feb 1862 died 28 Apr 1923. > > E. SMAUEL sen & jun may be EDWARD SAMUEL born 1850 Blunham, Beds and > his son EDWARD SAMUEL bap 4 Apr 1878 Chesterfield who married JOSEPH > ASH's daughter MAUD LYDIA. > > WALTER SLATER may have been my G G Uncle, son of JAMES SLATER & GRACE > nee ASHTON. born 15 Sep 1856 Matlock died 19 Aug 1932. > > > > > Rose Kelland > www.rosescountryrose.blogspot.com > www.livesandtimesofbella.blogspot.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Rose I believe it was resistance to the 1902 Education Act Which they thought was handing to much power to the Church of England See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_Act_1902 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 28/07/2013 23:03, Rose Kelland wrote: > Derby Daily Telegraph Thursday 7 September 1905 > > "PASSIVE RESISTERS > Another batch at Matlock > On Wednesday at Matlock 15 passive resistance cases were heard. The > defendants were all prominent residents as follows: Rev JAMES BURTON, > the Primitive Methodist superintendent minister; Rev R.A. FOSTER, > Congregational minister; Mrs ESTHER STEVENS (sister of Sir George > Newnes), FREDERICK H. DRABBLE, E. DRABBLE, D.M. WILDGOOSE, Coun J.W. > WILDGOOSE, W. LILL, H. STOCKER, E. SAMUEL, sen and jun, J.L. DEAN, > JOSEPH ASH, WALTER SLATER, and THOS GELDART. Mr ERNEST DRABBLE > (Secretary of the local league) introduced the Rev R.A. FOSTER as > spokesman for the whole of the defendants. > > The Rev R.A. FOSTER said the Education Act offered to them insuperable > objections, and it had produced 60,000 objections, a many > imprisonments, and a revolt in Wales, and it would go down to history > as being due to injustice. > > The Bench thanked the deputation for the defendants, and said they had > nothing to do but to administer the law, and the usual distraint would > be made, one warrant for the lot being granted." > > Please excuse my ignorance, but this newspaper is dated 1905, so what > is their passive resistance about?!

Derby Daily Telegraph Thursday 7 September 1905 "PASSIVE RESISTERS Another batch at Matlock On Wednesday at Matlock 15 passive resistance cases were heard. The defendants were all prominent residents as follows: Rev JAMES BURTON, the Primitive Methodist superintendent minister; Rev R.A. FOSTER, Congregational minister; Mrs ESTHER STEVENS (sister of Sir George Newnes), FREDERICK H. DRABBLE, E. DRABBLE, D.M. WILDGOOSE, Coun J.W. WILDGOOSE, W. LILL, H. STOCKER, E. SAMUEL, sen and jun, J.L. DEAN, JOSEPH ASH, WALTER SLATER, and THOS GELDART. Mr ERNEST DRABBLE (Secretary of the local league) introduced the Rev R.A. FOSTER as spokesman for the whole of the defendants. The Rev R.A. FOSTER said the Education Act offered to them insuperable objections, and it had produced 60,000 objections, a many imprisonments, and a revolt in Wales, and it would go down to history as being due to injustice. The Bench thanked the deputation for the defendants, and said they had nothing to do but to administer the law, and the usual distraint would be made, one warrant for the lot being granted." Please excuse my ignorance, but this newspaper is dated 1905, so what is their passive resistance about?! JOSEPH ASH, when put alongside the Primitive Methodist Superintendent and the other church minister, would have been my maternal Great Grandad. He was born 24 March 1856 in Matlock to William & Eliza Ash (nee HAYES). He married CLARA TURNER on 28 June 1879 at the Superintenden'ts Register Office in Bakewell, and they had two children: MAUD LYDIA born 1879 and EDITH born 1880. Clara was buried on 27 December 1881 at Matlock Bank. JOSEPH then married EMMA SLATER on 28 March 1885 at the Primitive Methodist Chapel on Matlock Bank. Joseph & Emma had 4 children: FREDERICK born 20 May 1886; GERTRUDE EMMA born 30 March 1888, WALTER (my grandfather) born 30 Sep 1889; and BERTHA ANNIE born 6 October 1893. My mother wrote this about the Methodist stance in WW2 concerning my father: "During the war, the Methodist church took a pacifist stance, although everyone could decide for himself according to his conscience regarding joining the forces. A senior minister in the Methodist circuit persuaded a number of the young men to be pacifists (against the killing of human beings despite the country of origin, on Scriptural grounds). They all had to attend a tribunal and answer many questions." My father volunteered to go down the coal mines, but the doctor wouldn't sign him off as healthy enough, so he ended up working in the timber industry for the duration of the war. In the newspaper article, D.M. WILDGOOSE is Davis Mark WILDGOOSE, son of JOHN & RACHEL WILDGOOSE (nee Davis), bap 27 June 1858, died 23 Aug 1937. J.W. WILDOOGSE is JOHN WILLIAM WILDGOOSE, Davis Mark's brother; born 20 Feb 1862 died 28 Apr 1923. E. SMAUEL sen & jun may be EDWARD SAMUEL born 1850 Blunham, Beds and his son EDWARD SAMUEL bap 4 Apr 1878 Chesterfield who married JOSEPH ASH's daughter MAUD LYDIA. WALTER SLATER may have been my G G Uncle, son of JAMES SLATER & GRACE nee ASHTON. born 15 Sep 1856 Matlock died 19 Aug 1932. Rose Kelland www.rosescountryrose.blogspot.com www.livesandtimesofbella.blogspot.com

Hi Celia My Argyle and Milward families married and ran a brickyard in Loscoe - Heanor parish. That one closed in 1975. I believe it became a tip and eventually blew up, blowing out the windows in the bungalows around it, and causing one of the houses to collapse completely. The brickyard was opended in 1830 and was reputed to make a good quality brick which were shipped all over England. Millwards were the first owners followed by the Smedleys. A Mr Harry Gaunt was the last owner, he specialized in an 11' x 2'' brick popular with builders. the kilns were rounded - almost igloo shape with a high chimney - there is a photo Info from "Around Old Heanor" However I think there were quite a few brickyards around, I believe my Ford family in Yeavely parish - Edlaston also had a brickworks. I'm betting there would be quite a few brickyards around, especially with the rise in the population and increase in housing. In Glovers Directory of Derby there are 10 Brickmakers listed. regards Hilary Thomas

Just a comment; Argile is the French for Clay and there are a number of Clay families in Eastern Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire. Peter -----Original Message----- From: BERNARD PEARCE Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 1:14 PM To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [DBY] ARGILE Hi Hilary, I joined this forum a few days ago as I am helping an elderly neighbour to find her ancestors some of which hail from Derbyshire. One of the family names is ARGILE so you can imagine my delight when I read your latest posting. I have followed the ARGILE family back through the Censuses from up here in Yorkshire to Alfreton where I found ANN ELIZABETH, daughter of GEORGE ARGILE (as stated on her marriage entry) born in 1846 (Findmypast as transcribed by the derbyshire FHS). I then found a marriage, again in Alfreton and again on Findmypast, between GEORGE ARGILE and ANN NEAL 1843. I also found a death entry for ANN ARGILE aged 23 in 1846, same registration district (Belper) so my theory is ANN died in childbirth as I cannot find her on the 1851 Census. George is living as a lodger in Leicestershire. I am a helper at the PontefractLDS and one of the other helpers has family ties in Derbyshire so he has offered to go to the Archives when next he visits ( could be some time though) and see if there is a Baptism for ANN ELIZABETH with GEORGE as the father. Several people on ANCESTRY have this family of ARGILE but they all have the father as WILLIAM a Farmer when the marriage entry clearly states GEORGE, Engineer. I believe they are on the wrong track, but then again I may be the one that is wrong. I am trying to keep costs down as Mrs Bown is in her 90s and obviously on a pension otherwise I would have sent for the certificates to prove my points. Any help would be gratefully appreciated. Bernard Pearce in Pontefract ________________________________ From: Hilary Thomas <organic22@bigpond.com> To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 28 July 2013, 9:31 Subject: [DBY] Brickworks ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Hi Hilary, I joined this forum a few days ago as I am helping an elderly neighbour to find her ancestors some of which hail from Derbyshire. One of the family names is ARGILE so you can imagine my delight when I read your latest posting. I have followed the ARGILE family back through the Censuses from up here in Yorkshire to Alfreton where I found ANN ELIZABETH, daughter of GEORGE ARGILE (as stated on her marriage entry) born in 1846 (Findmypast as transcribed by the derbyshire FHS). I then found a marriage, again in Alfreton and again on Findmypast, between GEORGE ARGILE and ANN NEAL 1843. I also found a death entry for ANN ARGILE aged 23 in 1846, same registration district (Belper) so my theory is ANN died in childbirth as I cannot find her on the 1851 Census. George is living as a lodger in Leicestershire. I am a helper at the PontefractLDS and one of the other helpers has family ties in Derbyshire so he has offered to go to the Archives when next he visits ( could be some time though) and see if there is a Baptism for ANN ELIZABETH with GEORGE as the father. Several people on ANCESTRY have this family of ARGILE but they all have the father as WILLIAM a Farmer when the marriage entry clearly states GEORGE, Engineer. I believe they are on the wrong track, but then again I may be the one that is wrong. I am trying to keep costs down as Mrs Bown is in her 90s and obviously on a pension otherwise I would have sent for the certificates to prove my points. Any help would be gratefully appreciated. Bernard Pearce in Pontefract ________________________________ From: Hilary Thomas <organic22@bigpond.com> To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 28 July 2013, 9:31 Subject: [DBY] Brickworks

Hi Meg A little unfair on the English brick makers I feel <g> The reason they may have brought in brick makers to supervise affairs from Italy was simply due to the fact we didn't use bricks very much at that time, it was an unusual building material for us then, we more usually used stone or wood So its not surprising that local brick makers may not have been very good at it, if indeed there were any around Until the 1800's most brick making was as small family affairs, travelling around and making bricks as required There were brick makers in Kirby Muxloe in the earliest census I was born a few hundred yards over the fields from Kirby Castle and spent a fair amount of my childhood in and around it Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 28/07/2013 08:22, Meg Galley-Taylor wrote: > It is not in Derbyshire but in neighbouring Leicestershire but we went on a > visit with Leicestershire Archaeology Field Walking Group to Kirkby Muxloe > Castle, known also as Kirby Castle which is an unfinished 15th century > fortified manor house in Kirby Muxloe, Leicestershire, England. It was begun > in 1480 by William Hastings, 1st Baron Hastings, during the period of the > Wars of the Roses. > > We were told that Hastings brought in brick makers from Italy to supervise > brick making as the locals were not so good at it. You might usefully > contact the local studies groups to find more. > > Where I used to live near Ashbourne in Derbyshire we had clay pits in the > woods next to us and the ruins of a brick kiln nearby which was marked on > the map as such. The same applied in Diseworth, just over the border in > Leicestershire where all the old houses were rendered because the locally > made bricks were so bad that they crumbled. I think this demonstrates that > most bricks were, if possible, made locally and demonstrates why Hastings > brought in experts! > > I'm not sure if you are interested in pre-industrial brick making but hope > this helps. > > Meg Galley-Taylor > Devon

Again, not in Derbyshire, but next door[ish] in North Warwickshire, I have just been researching the history of brickmaking here in Rugby [the booklet and lecture will be available soon!!] Between 1800 and 1900 there were at least twelve brickworks of varying sophistication. They used the lias clay, which was interspersed with layers of limestone, which were used to make lime and later, cement. The lime containing clay gave a high quality 'hydraulic' lime because it would set under water - they used it for basements and sewer contracts in Victorian London - and the Houses of Parliament. Originally near the town centre, as the value of that land grew, and they did not need a 'nuisance' industry in the town, they moved to the suburbs, where there was also canal and later railway links. The brick industry really developed after the canal came and allowed coal to be transported in cheaply, and then died out after the bigger manufacturers in Peterborough and Bedford and elsewhere could undercut the price and make higher quality product that could now be transported by railway. Maybe it was much the same in Derbyshire. John Frearson

It is not in Derbyshire but in neighbouring Leicestershire but we went on a visit with Leicestershire Archaeology Field Walking Group to Kirkby Muxloe Castle, known also as Kirby Castle which is an unfinished 15th century fortified manor house in Kirby Muxloe, Leicestershire, England. It was begun in 1480 by William Hastings, 1st Baron Hastings, during the period of the Wars of the Roses. We were told that Hastings brought in brick makers from Italy to supervise brick making as the locals were not so good at it. You might usefully contact the local studies groups to find more. Where I used to live near Ashbourne in Derbyshire we had clay pits in the woods next to us and the ruins of a brick kiln nearby which was marked on the map as such. The same applied in Diseworth, just over the border in Leicestershire where all the old houses were rendered because the locally made bricks were so bad that they crumbled. I think this demonstrates that most bricks were, if possible, made locally and demonstrates why Hastings brought in experts! I'm not sure if you are interested in pre-industrial brick making but hope this helps. Meg Galley-Taylor Devon   ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 16:49:08 +0100 From: Celia Renshaw <celiarenshaw@gmail.com> Subject: [DBY] History of Derby brickmaking To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <CAPb7e01MgviyTSb0s7Cao=s89db5Ab_C0RAf2K3afDRORnb0Hw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I'm wondering if any of the experts here can help - I'm looking for any kind of historical study, long or short, of brickmaking in Derby and/or Measham, or for Derbyshire as a whole. I've checked Derbyshire Libraries catalogue, Google books etc etc and only found one general book "Bricks and Brick Making" but nothing so far specific to Derby/shire. Haven't yet had a chance to look at subject indexes at Derby and Matlock. Any ideas much appreciated. Celia Renshaw in Chesterfield UK ------------------------------ To contact the DERBYSGEN list administrator, send an email to DERBYSGEN-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the DERBYSGEN mailing list, send an email to DERBYSGEN@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of DERBYSGEN Digest, Vol 8, Issue 210 *****************************************

I'm wondering if any of the experts here can help - I'm looking for any kind of historical study, long or short, of brickmaking in Derby and/or Measham, or for Derbyshire as a whole. I've checked Derbyshire Libraries catalogue, Google books etc etc and only found one general book "Bricks and Brick Making" but nothing so far specific to Derby/shire. Haven't yet had a chance to look at subject indexes at Derby and Matlock. Any ideas much appreciated. Celia Renshaw in Chesterfield UK

Thanks Peter! all makes sense! Regards Rose On 25 July 2013 15:43, Peter Patilla <ppatilla@me.com> wrote: > Rose > Parcel Book abbreviations. > I.B.D. was Infantry Base Depot. The Long Long Trail site says: "The IBD was a holding camp. Situated within easy distance of one the Channel ports, it received men on arrival from England and kept them in training while they awaiting posting to a unit at the front" > A.P.O was the Army Post Office > B.E.F. British Expeditionary Force > > Regards > Peter > > On 24 Jul 2013, at 23:03, Rose Kelland wrote: > >> Hi Peter >> >> Thanks for that Lea Mills work! I think I only managed to identify one of >> mine on the Parcels Book Page 11, a first cousin 2x removed! >> >> Hawley, Fred, Pte. 28086, 8th North Staffs, 12th I.B.D. 24th Section a/o A. >> P.C. B.E.F. France >> >> I already had his military number as 28086 which helped with >> identification, but can someone please explain the other abbreviations! I >> think I copied them correctly, but they're on Page 11 of the Parcels Book >> link. >> >> Many thanks >> >> Rose Kelland >> >> >> >> On 24 July 2013 19:59, Peter Patilla <ppatilla@mac.com> wrote: >> >>> Evening all >>> Just to announce that I have "gone live" on www.crichparish.co.uk with >>> some of the work a small team of us have been working on in the archives of >>> Lea Mills. >>> Just follow the links from the home page. >>> >>> I must emphasis that the WWI data on both the Crich Parish and Lea Mills >>> links are in the raw stages and we know that editing and reformatting needs >>> to take place. We have put the sites online so that we can obtain further >>> information from "people out there" >>> So, if any of your ancestors worked at Lea Mills or lived in Crich Parish >>> at the time of the Great War and you can add to (or correct) our >>> information please do get in touch. >>> We think there is some fascinating information in the records, much of it >>> from the old Lea Mills records and which have not seen the light of day >>> before. >>> >>> Why Lea Mills on the Crich Parish website? (I do tend to trespass). They >>> were the largest employers of men and women from our parish; some men are >>> on both Rolls of Honour; my grandfather worked in the Mills and managed to >>> get exempted (wondered why he did not serve, assumed health; misassumption) >>> and the research was fascinating. >>> >>> We are currently discussing how to present the ever growing results of our >>> labours. >>> >>> We hope the considerable data now online will be helpful to someone. >>> Peter >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> *Rose Kelland* >> www.rosescountryrose.blogspot.com >> www.livesandtimesofbella.blogspot.com >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Rose Kelland www.rosescountryrose.blogspot.com www.livesandtimesofbella.blogspot.com

Rose Parcel Book abbreviations. I.B.D. was Infantry Base Depot. The Long Long Trail site says: "The IBD was a holding camp. Situated within easy distance of one the Channel ports, it received men on arrival from England and kept them in training while they awaiting posting to a unit at the front" A.P.O was the Army Post Office B.E.F. British Expeditionary Force Regards Peter On 24 Jul 2013, at 23:03, Rose Kelland wrote: > Hi Peter > > Thanks for that Lea Mills work! I think I only managed to identify one of > mine on the Parcels Book Page 11, a first cousin 2x removed! > > Hawley, Fred, Pte. 28086, 8th North Staffs, 12th I.B.D. 24th Section a/o A. > P.C. B.E.F. France > > I already had his military number as 28086 which helped with > identification, but can someone please explain the other abbreviations! I > think I copied them correctly, but they're on Page 11 of the Parcels Book > link. > > Many thanks > > Rose Kelland > > > > On 24 July 2013 19:59, Peter Patilla <ppatilla@mac.com> wrote: > >> Evening all >> Just to announce that I have "gone live" on www.crichparish.co.uk with >> some of the work a small team of us have been working on in the archives of >> Lea Mills. >> Just follow the links from the home page. >> >> I must emphasis that the WWI data on both the Crich Parish and Lea Mills >> links are in the raw stages and we know that editing and reformatting needs >> to take place. We have put the sites online so that we can obtain further >> information from "people out there" >> So, if any of your ancestors worked at Lea Mills or lived in Crich Parish >> at the time of the Great War and you can add to (or correct) our >> information please do get in touch. >> We think there is some fascinating information in the records, much of it >> from the old Lea Mills records and which have not seen the light of day >> before. >> >> Why Lea Mills on the Crich Parish website? (I do tend to trespass). They >> were the largest employers of men and women from our parish; some men are >> on both Rolls of Honour; my grandfather worked in the Mills and managed to >> get exempted (wondered why he did not serve, assumed health; misassumption) >> and the research was fascinating. >> >> We are currently discussing how to present the ever growing results of our >> labours. >> >> We hope the considerable data now online will be helpful to someone. >> Peter >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > *Rose Kelland* > www.rosescountryrose.blogspot.com > www.livesandtimesofbella.blogspot.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message