From: Stuart Brown [mailto:sb@45th95th.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: 13 August 2013 20:23 To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [DBY] Former Derby Canal - Nottingham Road from St Mary's Bridge toErasmus Street, Derby. Terry, This message relates to canal bridges and a nearby pub of the time. The images have their own descriptions which helps. Using the website http://www.picturethepast.org.uk/index.php Canal Bridge 1 An image of the remains of Phoenix Bridge should be seen at http://www.picturethepast.org.uk/frontend.php?action=printdetails&keywords=R ef_No_increment;EQUALS;DRBY200191&prevUrl= You might have to use the zoom button to enlarge the thumbnail, The reference is DRBY200191 and by putting this in the search field (of the above site) you should find it again. In the background of this image you can see the Vauxhall Bedford car showroom which was on Derwent Street so you can get your bearings. I have an 1833 list of Derby pubs and there none listed on Phoenix Street. (neither is the one mentioned below). Canal Bridge 2 Leaving Phoenix Street (which is still there by the way ) cross over Derwent Street to Exeter Street , where at http://www.picturethepast.org.uk/frontend.php?action=printdetails&keywords= Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;DMAG000553&prevUrl= (reference DMAG000553 ) you should see the Exeter Street bridge And the pub on the right is The White Bear. The pub sign is between the two windows. I recall the building as derelict in 1967 and a grassy depression next to it where the canal woud have been. Another image from the demolition days at http://www.picturethepast.org.uk/frontend.php?action=printdetails&keywords=R ef_No_increment;EQUALS;DRBY000806&prevUrl= (reference DRBY000806) Canal Bridge 3 Peggs Bridge seen at http://www.picturethepast.org.uk/frontend.php?action=printdetails&keywords=R ef_No_increment;EQUALS;DRBY006022&prevUrl= Images DRBY6019 : DRBY6020 : DRBY6021 (background buildings on Nottingham Road) : DRBY6023 : DRBY6024 : DRBY6025 , same bridge but different photographs. There might be further information on this site? I understand it is just Notts and Derbys. (disclaimer, I have no connection with the site). First post so hope it goes alright. Stuart -----Original Message----- From: Terance Wagg <toshanco@btinternet.com> Subject: [DBY] Former Derby Canal - Nottingham Road from St Mary's Bridge toErasmus Street, Derby. Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 14:56:04 +0100 Previous refers It now seems likely that the area of my quest is centred on what was known as Phoenix Bridge, which crossed the canal at the junctions of Phoenix Street / Exeter Street to their junction with Nottingham Road. More importantly, it would seem that the former public house I was searching for was also on Phoenix Street, near it j with Exeter Street and Phoenix Bridge. Does anyone know the name of that Pub please? That whole area was flattened to make way for the new section of the Derby Inner Ring Road in the mid to late 1960s, after the formal closure of the Derby Canal in 1964. May I also that those who responded to my previous requests about this matter, to whom I am most grateful. Terry Wagg
When I am next in Chesterfield I must take a look at this. I think she was 2nd cousin to Will ORWIN who married my Gt Grand Aunt. A distant connection but interesting nevertheless. Thanks Margaret. Peter -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Hartshorn Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 12:10 AM To: derbysgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [DBY] ORWIN FAMILY FROM NEWBOLD CHESTERFIELD I just wondered if anyone is researching the name ORWIN in Chesterfield as I thought they might be interested in a display which Chesterfield Museum has on at the moment. This consists of artifacts belonging to Dorothy Marshall ORWIN who was born in 1895 at Newbold in Chesterfield. She died in 1989. There are numerous items including a family bible with family names and dates. Apparently these are only part of the collection Best Wishes Margaret Hartshorn ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I just wondered if anyone is researching the name ORWIN in Chesterfield as I thought they might be interested in a display which Chesterfield Museum has on at the moment. This consists of artifacts belonging to Dorothy Marshall ORWIN who was born in 1895 at Newbold in Chesterfield. She died in 1989. There are numerous items including a family bible with family names and dates. Apparently these are only part of the collection Best Wishes Margaret Hartshorn
Ruth, I don't think he is the one who died in 1843 because he wasn't with Elizabeth & their children in the 1841 census either (she's in the index under ALCOSS). That's not to say he wasn't living somewhere else at the time of course but I'd be more likely to go for the death registered in the 3qtr of 1839 at Derby first, that's where Elizabeth was living in 1841. Deaths Sep 1839 Allsop John Derby 19 344 But I think John was trying to look for a burial first. Cheers....Dawn ©¿©¬ Ruth J wrote: > There are 16 deaths recorded in Derbyshire of a John AL[L]sop between 1841 > and 1851. Only one is registered in the Bakewell District which is where > Elizabeth, widow with 3 children, is living in 1851 in the village of > Darley. Have you checked the St Alkmund's, Darley, registers? Did they > have burials there? > > Ages given on death certificates are notoriously unreliable so bear that in > mind. Those registering the deaths are often either too distressed to give > accurate information or simply do not know and make a rough guess. > > You could make a start by applying for the Bakewell death certificate > > JASqr 1843 Death John Allsop Bakewell 19 231 > > and take it from there.
Hello folk, Found the below online dated 1858. Australians could pay for their friends and relatives to migrate to to Australia from UK. The amount deposited has "RR" against the pounds in the ship's list. The full transcription is available from me. Regards, John Palmer, Dorset, England -------------------- >From http://trove.nla.gov.au:80/ndp/del/article/3719556 on 10 Aug 2013: Government Immigration Office. Sydney, 1st February, 1858. 7. The regulations are to the following effect, viz. :- . That persons resident in the colony may, by making the following deposits at the Government Immigration Office, Sydney, or if in the country districts, with the clerks of Petty Sesssions, secure passages for their friends and relatives, viz: For each immigrant between 1 and 12 years of age, £2; between 12 and 40 years of age, £4; between 40 and 50 years of age, £8, provided that they consist of mechanics, domestic servants, or persons of the laboring class. Single men, however, above 40 years of age, and single women the above classes, or over 50 years of age will not be considered eligible, except on a deposit of £12. --------------------
If he died at the end of Sep that would squeeze him into Q3. Celia Renshaw On 10 August 2013 15:56, Celia Renshaw <celiarenshaw@gmail.com> wrote: > I haven't been following this thread closely so I may be off-beam here, > but it looks like the death in Q3 1839 is for a child. From Familysearch: > John ALLSOPP who was bap 10 Jun 1838 Derby St Peter son of Joseph & Jane, > "died" (ie. was buried) 2 Oct 1839. > > Celia Renshaw > in Chesterfield UK > > > > On 10 August 2013 14:43, Dawn Scotting <pandora@kc.net.nz> wrote: > >> Ruth, I don't think he is the one who died in 1843 because he wasn't >> with Elizabeth & their children in the 1841 census either (she's in the >> index under ALCOSS). >> >> That's not to say he wasn't living somewhere else at the time of course >> but I'd be more likely to go for the death registered in the 3qtr of >> 1839 at Derby first, that's where Elizabeth was living in 1841. >> >> Deaths Sep 1839 >> Allsop John Derby 19 344 >> >> But I think John was trying to look for a burial first. >> >> Cheers....Dawn ©¿©¬ >> >> Ruth J wrote: >> > There are 16 deaths recorded in Derbyshire of a John AL[L]sop between >> 1841 >> > and 1851. Only one is registered in the Bakewell District which is >> where >> > Elizabeth, widow with 3 children, is living in 1851 in the village of >> > Darley. Have you checked the St Alkmund's, Darley, registers? Did they >> > have burials there? >> > >> > Ages given on death certificates are notoriously unreliable so bear >> that in >> > mind. Those registering the deaths are often either too distressed to >> give >> > accurate information or simply do not know and make a rough guess. >> > >> > You could make a start by applying for the Bakewell death certificate >> > >> > JASqr 1843 Death John Allsop Bakewell 19 231 >> > >> > and take it from there. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >
I haven't been following this thread closely so I may be off-beam here, but it looks like the death in Q3 1839 is for a child. From Familysearch: John ALLSOPP who was bap 10 Jun 1838 Derby St Peter son of Joseph & Jane, "died" (ie. was buried) 2 Oct 1839. Celia Renshaw in Chesterfield UK On 10 August 2013 14:43, Dawn Scotting <pandora@kc.net.nz> wrote: > Ruth, I don't think he is the one who died in 1843 because he wasn't > with Elizabeth & their children in the 1841 census either (she's in the > index under ALCOSS). > > That's not to say he wasn't living somewhere else at the time of course > but I'd be more likely to go for the death registered in the 3qtr of > 1839 at Derby first, that's where Elizabeth was living in 1841. > > Deaths Sep 1839 > Allsop John Derby 19 344 > > But I think John was trying to look for a burial first. > > Cheers....Dawn ©¿©¬ > > Ruth J wrote: > > There are 16 deaths recorded in Derbyshire of a John AL[L]sop between > 1841 > > and 1851. Only one is registered in the Bakewell District which is where > > Elizabeth, widow with 3 children, is living in 1851 in the village of > > Darley. Have you checked the St Alkmund's, Darley, registers? Did they > > have burials there? > > > > Ages given on death certificates are notoriously unreliable so bear that > in > > mind. Those registering the deaths are often either too distressed to > give > > accurate information or simply do not know and make a rough guess. > > > > You could make a start by applying for the Bakewell death certificate > > > > JASqr 1843 Death John Allsop Bakewell 19 231 > > > > and take it from there. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
There are 16 deaths recorded in Derbyshire of a John AL[L]sop between 1841 and 1851. Only one is registered in the Bakewell District which is where Elizabeth, widow with 3 children, is living in 1851 in the village of Darley. Have you checked the St Alkmund's, Darley, registers? Did they have burials there? Ages given on death certificates are notoriously unreliable so bear that in mind. Those registering the deaths are often either too distressed to give accurate information or simply do not know and make a rough guess. You could make a start by applying for the Bakewell death certificate JASqr 1843 Death John Allsop Bakewell 19 231 and take it from there. Ruth
If his wife was widowed before 1851 then I doubt he was the one who died in Lincolnshire in 1868 that Steve mentioned. But John, if you don't know when & how old he was then how do you know he's the one born in 1793? I've had a look on FMP and the only burial on there that fits is one at Duffield in 1851, he was aged 59. It came from the Derbyshire Registrars Death Index so only the year is given. As to whether he could be the right one is beyond me. I'll have a look to see where Elizabeth was living in 1851, that might give us an idea of where he died. I'll put them into my Winster tree and see what I can come up with, nothing probably :). Cheers....Dawn ©¿©¬ John Palmer wrote: > Hello folks, > Can anyone help find the death of John ALLSOP??? > He probably died between 1833 and 1851. > Born in 1793, married in 1817, he was dead before 1851. > --------Wirksworth Parish Register--------------------------- > C 1793sep18 ALSOP John=(son)John/Ann(Wirksworth) > M 1817aug20 WRAGG Elizabeth(Wirksworth)/ALLSOP John > Witnesses: Samuel FLINT,James WRAGG > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > His wife Elizabeth had 8 children, and was a widow in 1851.
Hello Dawn, Thanks for answering. I'm sure my John ALLSOP was born in 1793 because: ** I have his baptism and marriage in the Wirksworth Parish Register ** I have names and dates of 8 children in the Register too, most with dob added. *** The last 3 children are still with their mother in 1851 Census, which gives accurate ages and place of birth. *** I have looked at dozens of other families with the same names - only this family all come from Wirksworth. *** John was a miner all through these records. I'm sure I've got the right John, and other people haven't. I just want to know when he died. Regards, John Palmer, Dorset, England
Hello folks, Can anyone help find the death of John ALLSOP??? He probably died between 1833 and 1851. Born in 1793, married in 1817, he was dead before 1851. --------Wirksworth Parish Register--------------------------- C 1793sep18 ALSOP John=(son)John/Ann(Wirksworth) M 1817aug20 WRAGG Elizabeth(Wirksworth)/ALLSOP John Witnesses: Samuel FLINT,James WRAGG ----------------------------------------------------------------------- His wife Elizabeth had 8 children, and was a widow in 1851. Children: Mary,Ann,James,Elizabeth,Jane, Hannah,Emma, John John was a miner. Elizabeth sailed to Australia in 1858 with family. where she died aged 91. There is a fine photo of her grave available. There is a description of her and the ship in Australian records. I'm hoping to find a burial in Parish Registers (which often give age) not Civil Registration (which usually does not give age in this period). His burial is not in the Wirksworth Registers (I've looked!) Age at death is the only way to identify this John ALLSOP among all the others. Elizabeth was loyal enough to travel from Derby to Wirksworth to have her last two children baptised at Wirksworth during the Baptism Festival (see www.wirksworth.org.uk/72-stats.htm#5) Beware, there is a lot of wrong information about John ALLSOP on the Internet. Only a direct transcription of Registers will do. Regards, John Palmer, Dorset, England Author of Wirksworth website www.wirksworth.org.uk
I have his death Jan 1868 in Lincolnshire and that he had 10 children. Her full name was Elizabeth Ann Wragg. The children missing are Samuel and sarah Steve Bowen 23 McNab Drive Grimsby, Ontario, L3M-2Y7 (905) 945-1665 -----Original Message----- From: derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:derbysgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Palmer Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 1:25 PM To: DERBYSGEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [DBY] John ALLSOP born 1793 Wirksworth, died 1833-1851 Hello folks, Can anyone help find the death of John ALLSOP??? He probably died between 1833 and 1851. Born in 1793, married in 1817, he was dead before 1851. --------Wirksworth Parish Register--------------------------- C 1793sep18 ALSOP John=(son)John/Ann(Wirksworth) M 1817aug20 WRAGG Elizabeth(Wirksworth)/ALLSOP John Witnesses: Samuel FLINT,James WRAGG ----------------------------------------------------------------------- His wife Elizabeth had 8 children, and was a widow in 1851. Children: Mary,Ann,James,Elizabeth,Jane, Hannah,Emma, John John was a miner. Elizabeth sailed to Australia in 1858 with family. where she died aged 91. There is a fine photo of her grave available. There is a description of her and the ship in Australian records. I'm hoping to find a burial in Parish Registers (which often give age) not Civil Registration (which usually does not give age in this period). His burial is not in the Wirksworth Registers (I've looked!) Age at death is the only way to identify this John ALLSOP among all the others. Elizabeth was loyal enough to travel from Derby to Wirksworth to have her last two children baptised at Wirksworth during the Baptism Festival (see www.wirksworth.org.uk/72-stats.htm#5) Beware, there is a lot of wrong information about John ALLSOP on the Internet. Only a direct transcription of Registers will do. Regards, John Palmer, Dorset, England Author of Wirksworth website www.wirksworth.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Afternoon all Have just updated the Crich Parish BMD records for names starting with P Hope useful to someone, well there are some Patilla names in there! Peter
Hi all Although they are on the National Library of Scotland, they have many useful & interesting maps for England and Wales as well http://geo.nls.uk/search/ten_mile/ One series they have are the ten mile maps, covering various topics, Railways, Land utilisation, farming, geological etc They can be very useful in many ways The way the Railways was laid out opened up the Countryside and made some Towns and Cities more desirable than others The geographical layout in the Country shows where the coal fields for example were concentrated Farming shows the areas for types of farming, so you can see what your farming ancestors were most likely doing, arable or pasture The Physical shows the reasons why roads and railways were laid out the way they were, often following contours in the land There are also population change maps for :- Ten Mile - Population Change, 1921 Ten Mile - Population Change, 1931 Ten Mile - Population Change, 1939 Ten Mile - Population Density, 1931 Ten Mile - Population Density, 1951 There are many more interesting maps on the NLS, some take some ferreting out but are well worth it There is a set of the O/S maps 1:25000 1937 to 1961 they are very detailed and its surprising the changes, then to the present day eg from http://maps.nls.uk/index.html Just type in Derby in the keyword box and select from the list, there are other ways but thats one -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)
Hi, Could anyone help me with an enquiry Mary MARLEGE born possibly in Breadsall Derbyshire about 1578 ........................................................................................ She is said to have married a Humphrey STANGER and they had a child Thomas STANGER born 1610 Harringworth Northants. I cannot find records for any of these. If you can help or give suggestions I would be very grateful Ken Stanger
Hi all This was posted to the Leicestershire list but I know there was a lot of cross border traffic <g> http://www.coleorton.org.uk/cemeteries.html Actually its a very well laid out site and contains a lot of information, congratulations to the site owners Well worth a look at -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)
Hi there, Fascinating info - especially about the colliery disasters at Whitwick and Staunton. I suspect the LAKINs may be related to a LAKIN born in Coleorton, who married into my MOAKES family in Stanton Hill Mansfield. Again a neighbouring area to DBY. Thanks for the link though. Have to check dates, and other info yet. Alison -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> To: derbysgen <derbysgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 21:05 Subject: [DBY] Just over the border (Coleorton, Griffydam etc) Hi allThis was posted to the Leicestershire list but I know there was a lot of cross border traffic <g>http://www.coleorton.org.uk/cemeteries.htmlActually its a very well laid out site and contains a lot of information, congratulations to the site ownersWell worth a look at-- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)-------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DERBYSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I think this might be the one Adele was referring to:- http://anglicanhistory.org/nz/blain_directory/ Cheers....Dawn ©¿©¬ >> I was on a wonderful website this morning here in NZ. ANGLICAN >> CLERGY site, came across a Margaret Raines born Bonsall Derbyshire.. >> married to THOMAS RUSSELL.. its a wonderful site to browse through >> over 1450 names.. the site it done by Rev Michael Blain of >> Wellington.NZ. So anyone looking for Margaret marrying Thomas... >> lists all were he was.. am often on this site.... > > What's the URL of the site?
I was on a wonderful website this morning here in NZ. ANGLICAN CLERGY site, came across a Margaret Raines born Bonsall Derbyshire.. married to THOMAS RUSSELL.. its a wonderful site to browse through over 1450 names.. the site it done by Rev Michael Blain of Wellington.NZ. So anyone looking for Margaret marrying Thomas... lists all were he was.. am often on this site.... -- Adele Pentony-Graham Carterton Cemetery Clareville Researcher Carterton Researcher. and Featherston. WW1. Cemetery.
Dawn Scotting wrote: > I think this might be the one Adele was referring to:- > > http://anglicanhistory.org/nz/blain_directory/ Thank you :)) -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Ashcott, Shapwick, Greinton and Clutton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk