Hi again Steve I think you may have misunderstood my reply I wasn't saying the whole thing was fictitious, I was saying the wording used in many a family history are/were ambiguous It still remains the case that a coat of arms, of which a part was the crest, was to an individual not a family Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 12-May-17 5:22 PM, Steve Bowen wrote: > I would certainly agree with that statement Nivard BUT on the other hand I > would sure love to believe my story and will keep searching until I can > prove it correct or possibly not. I do appreciate your comments though. > > Steve Bowen

I have found a great number of these family histories are very wordy but not always accurate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achievement_(heraldry) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 12-May-17 4:09 PM, Steve Bowen wrote: > Thanks Nivard BUT what brought me to this statement was this quote from a > history book on The Allsops: > > "Hugh de Alsop, a younger son of Gamellus, went with Richard I on the Third > Crusade (1189-91) to the Holy Land. He was captain of a company under the > command of Sir Ralph de Lyleburne, who was colonel of four companies. The > king recognized Hugh's bravery and competence by bestowing upon him the > Order of Knightbood, and as a further honor, permitting him to select his > own personal design to wear on the front of his shield. The "Achievement of > Arms" as these identifying symbols were later known, was to have six > falcon's heads on the shield. Hugh married the niece of Sir Ralph (by his > sister), the daughter of Rober de Farington, and received lands in > Derbyshire to live as a returning hero." > > Maybe this is not a Coat of Arms, I am not sure but I would still be very > interested in seeing it. > > Steve Bowen

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/pathways/citizenship/struggle_democracy/g etting_vote.htm That will tell you everything. I don't think it was a question of age, more of standing in the community. Liz -----Original Message----- From: DERBYSGEN [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of ANNE via DERBYSGEN Sent: 12 May 2017 16:08 To: [email protected] Cc: ANNE Subject: [DBY] Voting age in 1865 Can anyone tell me what the voting age was in 1865. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Chris This is not strictly true I have come across quite a number where the hyphen is shown and I have a copy of the marriage also I have a number where the child is illegitimate and the mothers maiden name is given as Bowden. I suspect the hyphen means the name is not transcribed or cannot be read bearing in mind that all the transcripts are electronically derived so something that cannot be read or makes no sense is replaced with a hyphen. I have found with experience the hyphen means nothing. To go back to my original message Henry was the 7 child of Joseph & Elizabeth Waterhouse They married in 1825 at Glossop The first child was John born in 1825 and baptised 21 Aug 1825 Hayfield followed by Mary 1827, Sarah 1829, Joseph 1831, Martha Waterhouse 1833, Charles 1835, Henry 1837, James 1839, Edward 1841, Elizabeth Waterhouse 1844, Albert 1845 All births being registered at Hayfield Regards Keith Bowden 01476 571100 [email protected] From: Chris Bowden via DERBYSGEN Sent: 12 May 2017 15:59 To: Derbyshire genealogy Cc: Chris Bowden Subject: Re: [DBY] Henry Bowden 1871 High Peak, Derbyshire "they said possibly" In words you dont get to know unless you pay up. I am wondering if the local register office index has more info than the GRO? many thanks regards Chris On 12/05/2017 15:49, Nivard Ovington via DERBYSGEN wrote: > If the child is registered under a name XXXXX and the mothers maiden > name is blank, it implies that the birth was illegitimate > > ie it was registered in the mothers surname > > The GRO has told me that the mothers maiden name is in the index > "where recorded" I asked for clarification (ie was it possibly in the > original record and not recorded in the index) they said possibly > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 12-May-17 3:40 PM, Chris Bowden via DERBYSGEN wrote: >> Thanks again John, I find this most curious, If the indexes do not >> contain the fathers name and the mothers is blank, would the certificate >> itself contain any more information of use? Surely a birth cannot be >> registered without unless he was born under a gooseberry bush? :-) >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2016.0.8013 / Virus Database: 4776/14463 - Release Date: > 05/12/17 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

"they said possibly" In words you dont get to know unless you pay up. I am wondering if the local register office index has more info than the GRO? many thanks regards Chris On 12/05/2017 15:49, Nivard Ovington via DERBYSGEN wrote: > If the child is registered under a name XXXXX and the mothers maiden > name is blank, it implies that the birth was illegitimate > > ie it was registered in the mothers surname > > The GRO has told me that the mothers maiden name is in the index > "where recorded" I asked for clarification (ie was it possibly in the > original record and not recorded in the index) they said possibly > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 12-May-17 3:40 PM, Chris Bowden via DERBYSGEN wrote: >> Thanks again John, I find this most curious, If the indexes do not >> contain the fathers name and the mothers is blank, would the certificate >> itself contain any more information of use? Surely a birth cannot be >> registered without unless he was born under a gooseberry bush? :-) >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2016.0.8013 / Virus Database: 4776/14463 - Release Date: > 05/12/17

I have found that the GRO were sometimes unable to read the full information from the original certificate. As a result the surname of the father is there and the mother's maiden name is omitted. The birth certificate would give you the full information. It is amazing how often the information is so poor they couldn't read it. As a transcriber I can quite appreciate that. Liz -----Original Message----- From: DERBYSGEN [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Bowden via DERBYSGEN Sent: 12 May 2017 15:40 To: John Cresswell; Derbyshire genealogy Cc: Chris Bowden Subject: Re: [DBY] Henry Bowden 1871 High Peak, Derbyshire Thanks again John, I find this most curious, If the indexes do not contain the fathers name and the mothers is blank, would the certificate itself contain any more information of use? Surely a birth cannot be registered without unless he was born under a gooseberry bush? :-) On 12/05/2017 15:30, John Cresswell wrote: > Hi Chris > Its somewhere around here > https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/menu.asp > Click on Search the GRO Indexes and register > then you can search to your hearts content. > > No the indexes do not contain the fathers name. > Unless they marry soon after, I guess hes no longer involved. > Regards > John > > On 12/05/2017 15:18, Chris Bowden wrote: >> Hi John, thank you for your information. I am not surprised that the >> mothers name is blank but this is very interesting and I wondered >> whatever happened to this Henry. How do I access the GRO index which has >> the details and would it contain the fathers name? >> >> regards Chris Bowden >> >> >> On 12/05/2017 13:46, John Cresswell wrote: >>> Hi Chris >>> Did you know that the GRO has an online index giving mothers maiden name. >>> In your case I think the entry has a hyphen indicating usually >>> the same surname, and possibly out of marriage. >>> Regards >>> John >>> >>> On 12/05/2017 13:34, Chris Bowden via DERBYSGEN wrote: >>>> Hi all, I have found the registration at High Peak for the birth of >>>> Henry Bowden Jul-Sept 1837. ( 19.288.129) I cannot find a matching >>>> baptism to discover who his parents where. Can anybody offer suggestions. >>>> >>>> regards >>>> >>>> Chris Bowden >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> ----- >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 2016.0.8013 / Virus Database: 4776/14463 - Release Date: 05/12/17 >> > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2016.0.8013 / Virus Database: 4776/14463 - Release Date: 05/12/17 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com

If the child is registered under a name XXXXX and the mothers maiden name is blank, it implies that the birth was illegitimate ie it was registered in the mothers surname The GRO has told me that the mothers maiden name is in the index "where recorded" I asked for clarification (ie was it possibly in the original record and not recorded in the index) they said possibly Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 12-May-17 3:40 PM, Chris Bowden via DERBYSGEN wrote: > Thanks again John, I find this most curious, If the indexes do not > contain the fathers name and the mothers is blank, would the certificate > itself contain any more information of use? Surely a birth cannot be > registered without unless he was born under a gooseberry bush? :-) >

Thanks again John, I find this most curious, If the indexes do not contain the fathers name and the mothers is blank, would the certificate itself contain any more information of use? Surely a birth cannot be registered without unless he was born under a gooseberry bush? :-) On 12/05/2017 15:30, John Cresswell wrote: > Hi Chris > Its somewhere around here > https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/menu.asp > Click on Search the GRO Indexes and register > then you can search to your hearts content. > > No the indexes do not contain the fathers name. > Unless they marry soon after, I guess hes no longer involved. > Regards > John > > On 12/05/2017 15:18, Chris Bowden wrote: >> Hi John, thank you for your information. I am not surprised that the >> mothers name is blank but this is very interesting and I wondered >> whatever happened to this Henry. How do I access the GRO index which has >> the details and would it contain the fathers name? >> >> regards Chris Bowden >> >> >> On 12/05/2017 13:46, John Cresswell wrote: >>> Hi Chris >>> Did you know that the GRO has an online index giving mothers maiden name. >>> In your case I think the entry has a hyphen indicating usually >>> the same surname, and possibly out of marriage. >>> Regards >>> John >>> >>> On 12/05/2017 13:34, Chris Bowden via DERBYSGEN wrote: >>>> Hi all, I have found the registration at High Peak for the birth of >>>> Henry Bowden Jul-Sept 1837. ( 19.288.129) I cannot find a matching >>>> baptism to discover who his parents where. Can anybody offer suggestions. >>>> >>>> regards >>>> >>>> Chris Bowden >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> ----- >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 2016.0.8013 / Virus Database: 4776/14463 - Release Date: 05/12/17 >> > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2016.0.8013 / Virus Database: 4776/14463 - Release Date: 05/12/17

Thank you Margaret, I have been told that you can apply for a "conditional" but I am not sure whether to apply to GRO or local. I have a strong feeling that the fathers name is William but would not risk the fee for an alternative. On 12/05/2017 15:24, Margaret Siudek via DERBYSGEN wrote: > I think you'd need to send for the birth certificate for all the details. The index only has the information which John has already quoted. To get a certificate, you need the references, which you can get from this site's new search page. > > https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/ > > Margaret > > On 12/05/2017 15:18, Chris Bowden via DERBYSGEN wrote: > Hi John, thank you for your information. I am not surprised that the mothers name is blank but this is very interesting and I wondered whatever happened to this Henry. How do I access the GRO index which has the details and would it contain the fathers name? > > regards Chris Bowden > > > On 12/05/2017 13:46, John Cresswell wrote: > Hi Chris > Did you know that the GRO has an online index giving mothers maiden name. > In your case I think the entry has a hyphen indicating usually > the same surname, and possibly out of marriage. > Regards > John > > On 12/05/2017 13:34, Chris Bowden via DERBYSGEN wrote: > Hi all, I have found the registration at High Peak for the birth of > Henry Bowden Jul-Sept 1837. ( 19.288.129) I cannot find a matching > baptism to discover who his parents where. Can anybody offer suggestions. > > regards > > Chris Bowden > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com> > Version: 2016.0.8013 / Virus Database: 4776/14463 - Release Date: 05/12/17 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2016.0.8013 / Virus Database: 4776/14463 - Release Date: 05/12/17

I don't think it went by ages, but by property ownership, though I think the minimum age for those qualified in other respects was 21. This article looks clear: https://www.newcastle.gov.uk/sites/default/files/wwwfileroot/leisure-libraries-and-tourism/electoralregistermainsbodynew.pdf Margaret On 12/05/2017 16:07, ANNE via DERBYSGEN wrote: Can anyone tell me what the voting age was in 1865. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi John, thank you for your information. I am not surprised that the mothers name is blank but this is very interesting and I wondered whatever happened to this Henry. How do I access the GRO index which has the details and would it contain the fathers name? regards Chris Bowden On 12/05/2017 13:46, John Cresswell wrote: > Hi Chris > Did you know that the GRO has an online index giving mothers maiden name. > In your case I think the entry has a hyphen indicating usually > the same surname, and possibly out of marriage. > Regards > John > > On 12/05/2017 13:34, Chris Bowden via DERBYSGEN wrote: >> Hi all, I have found the registration at High Peak for the birth of >> Henry Bowden Jul-Sept 1837. ( 19.288.129) I cannot find a matching >> baptism to discover who his parents where. Can anybody offer suggestions. >> >> regards >> >> Chris Bowden >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2016.0.8013 / Virus Database: 4776/14463 - Release Date: 05/12/17

Hi Steve Not wishing to throw cold water over your find but unfortunately there is no such thing as a family crest or family coat of arms, its awarded to one individual, if hereditary it would be slightly altered in each generation The crest is part of the coat of arms Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 12-May-17 2:31 PM, Steve Bowen via DERBYSGEN wrote: > I have a distant uncle who was Knighted by Richard The Lion Heart after the > Third Crusade and allowed a family crest containing 6 falcons. Does anyone > have any suggestions as to where I might look to find a picture or drawing > of that crest ? > > Steve Bowen

Hallo Steve If you enter "Heraldic Crest Records" in to Google, there is an interesting collection of possible lines of research eg College of Arms, Armorial Register etc. If the necessary dates of your relative and descendants apply to his / their local church, you might find something there or that might be wishful thinking! Regards Marion Sent from my iPad > On 12 May 2017, at 14:31, Steve Bowen via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> wrote: > > I have a distant uncle who was Knighted by Richard The Lion Heart after the > Third Crusade and allowed a family crest containing 6 falcons. Does anyone > have any suggestions as to where I might look to find a picture or drawing > of that crest ? > > Steve Bowen > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good afternoon Further to my query regarding the photo at Chase Cliffe house taken c 1920 labelled Girls’ Guild. Further information has come to hand. At the time the Deacon family owned Chase Cliffe and this group was a social group of young ladies who regularly met there. The group may have originally been formed at the time the Hurt sisters lived there as there is some reference to the Hurt family in the records of the provider of the photo. The photo can be seen on my www.crichparish.co.uk site in the Photo album section I had thought (also suggested by a lister) that it may be connected to the Trefoil Guild as Crich has always had strong scouting connections being one of the first troops formed. However, the Trefoil was not formed until 1947 although some groups of ex-guiders did meet before then. The Girl Guides Association was formed in 1910 and in 1935 an organisation called “Old Guides” was formed. Thank you to all who responded to my query Peter > On 11 May 2017, at 11:42, Irene Doody via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Peter, > Don't know if it helps but I went to youth club at The Co-Op Guild in Derby, run and financed by The Co-Operative Society. > Irene > >> On 11 May 2017, at 11:30, Peter Patilla via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> To correct my misinformation in previous email (I should go into politics) >> Of course the Misses Hurt were long gone from Chase Cliffe by 1920! >> Peter >> >> >>> On 11 May 2017, at 10:50, Peter Patilla via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Good morning >>> If ignorance is bliss I should be very happy :-) >>> >>> I have a photo dated c 1920 which shows a group of twenty young ladies (dare I put an age of upper teens to about 30?) >>> On the rear they are individually named with the title Girls Guild at Chase Cliffe . >>> >>> They are clearly not Girl Guides. >>> >>> What was the Girls Guild likely to be? I presume (not based on any knowledge) that maybe church related as Chase Cliffe where the photo was taken was home to the Misses Hurt (significant Crich Parish and church benefactors) >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think you'd need to send for the birth certificate for all the details. The index only has the information which John has already quoted. To get a certificate, you need the references, which you can get from this site's new search page. https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/ Margaret On 12/05/2017 15:18, Chris Bowden via DERBYSGEN wrote: Hi John, thank you for your information. I am not surprised that the mothers name is blank but this is very interesting and I wondered whatever happened to this Henry. How do I access the GRO index which has the details and would it contain the fathers name? regards Chris Bowden On 12/05/2017 13:46, John Cresswell wrote: Hi Chris Did you know that the GRO has an online index giving mothers maiden name. In your case I think the entry has a hyphen indicating usually the same surname, and possibly out of marriage. Regards John On 12/05/2017 13:34, Chris Bowden via DERBYSGEN wrote: Hi all, I have found the registration at High Peak for the birth of Henry Bowden Jul-Sept 1837. ( 19.288.129) I cannot find a matching baptism to discover who his parents where. Can anybody offer suggestions. regards Chris Bowden ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com> Version: 2016.0.8013 / Virus Database: 4776/14463 - Release Date: 05/12/17 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I pass by their fine building quite often, so I'm very aware of it- though my ancestors are all Ag Labs and FWK (Frame Work knitters), so no chance they have anything of interest to me! But at an exhibition this year, I saw their records of William Shakepeare's request for a coat of arms- which of course, has a spear. It's between St Paul's in the City of London and the 'wobbly bridge' otherwise known as the Millennium Bridge. Margaret On 12/05/2017 14:48, carole williams wrote: Margaret's suggestion of http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/services/genealogical-research is better than mine. The webpage is a bit odd as the 'search' box is out of sight and very minor... Just scroll down for it. Carole Genealogical Research - College of Arms<http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/services/genealogical-research> www.college-of-arms.gov.uk<http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk> Heralds have been genealogists since the fifteenth century. The hereditary nature of arms encouraged them to develop scientific genealogical methods at an early date. ________________________________ From: DERBYSGEN <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> on behalf of Margaret Siudek via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> Sent: 12 May 2017 14:43 To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Cc: Margaret Siudek Subject: Re: [DBY] Hugh de Allsop Hi Steve Assuming Google hasn't turned anything up, I think your best bet would probably be the College of Arms. They are the people who grant arms and keep all the records. They could probably point you in the right direction. There are other website which promise arms for any surname, but I think most are doubtful. http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/services/genealogical-research Genealogical Research - College of Arms<http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/services/genealogical-research> www.college-of-arms.gov.uk<http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk> Heralds have been genealogists since the fifteenth century. The hereditary nature of arms encouraged them to develop scientific genealogical methods at an early date. Margaret On 12/05/2017 14:31, Steve Bowen via DERBYSGEN wrote: I have a distant uncle who was Knighted by Richard The Lion Heart after the Third Crusade and allowed a family crest containing 6 falcons. Does anyone have any suggestions as to where I might look to find a picture or drawing of that crest ? Steve Bowen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for the clarification Nivard; that makes a lot more sense. Steve Bowen -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 1:08 PM To: Steve Bowen; 'Derbyshire genealogy' Subject: Re: [DBY] Hugh de Allsop Hi again Steve I think you may have misunderstood my reply I wasn't saying the whole thing was fictitious, I was saying the wording used in many a family history are/were ambiguous It still remains the case that a coat of arms, of which a part was the crest, was to an individual not a family Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 12-May-17 5:22 PM, Steve Bowen wrote: > I would certainly agree with that statement Nivard BUT on the other > hand I would sure love to believe my story and will keep searching > until I can prove it correct or possibly not. I do appreciate your comments though. > > Steve Bowen

Margaret's suggestion of http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/services/genealogical-research is better than mine. The webpage is a bit odd as the 'search' box is out of sight and very minor... Just scroll down for it. Carole Genealogical Research - College of Arms<http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/services/genealogical-research> www.college-of-arms.gov.uk Heralds have been genealogists since the fifteenth century. The hereditary nature of arms encouraged them to develop scientific genealogical methods at an early date. ________________________________ From: DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> on behalf of Margaret Siudek via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> Sent: 12 May 2017 14:43 To: [email protected] Cc: Margaret Siudek Subject: Re: [DBY] Hugh de Allsop Hi Steve Assuming Google hasn't turned anything up, I think your best bet would probably be the College of Arms. They are the people who grant arms and keep all the records. They could probably point you in the right direction. There are other website which promise arms for any surname, but I think most are doubtful. http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/services/genealogical-research Genealogical Research - College of Arms<http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/services/genealogical-research> www.college-of-arms.gov.uk Heralds have been genealogists since the fifteenth century. The hereditary nature of arms encouraged them to develop scientific genealogical methods at an early date. Margaret On 12/05/2017 14:31, Steve Bowen via DERBYSGEN wrote: I have a distant uncle who was Knighted by Richard The Lion Heart after the Third Crusade and allowed a family crest containing 6 falcons. Does anyone have any suggestions as to where I might look to find a picture or drawing of that crest ? Steve Bowen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Chris Did you know that the GRO has an online index giving mothers maiden name. In your case I think the entry has a hyphen indicating usually the same surname, and possibly out of marriage. Regards John On 12/05/2017 13:34, Chris Bowden via DERBYSGEN wrote: > Hi all, I have found the registration at High Peak for the birth of > Henry Bowden Jul-Sept 1837. ( 19.288.129) I cannot find a matching > baptism to discover who his parents where. Can anybody offer suggestions. > > regards > > Chris Bowden > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

How exciting Steve! Try 'The Institute of Heraldic and Genealogical Studies' http://www.ihgs.ac.uk/<http://www.ihgs.ac.uk/> Good luck, Carole ________________________________ From: DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> on behalf of Steve Bowen via DERBYSGEN <[email protected]> Sent: 12 May 2017 14:31 To: [email protected] Cc: Steve Bowen Subject: [DBY] Hugh de Allsop I have a distant uncle who was Knighted by Richard The Lion Heart after the Third Crusade and allowed a family crest containing 6 falcons. Does anyone have any suggestions as to where I might look to find a picture or drawing of that crest ? Steve Bowen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message